Catalytic converter theft - lessons learned

heykathy

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1) older Toyota 4-runners are prime targets due to amount of precious metals in the converter (and BMW's) and because of the ground clearance making it an easy "under & out" job - my insurance adjuster says they can do it in 30 secs. when they cut the pipes like they did on ours.
2) Always have comprehensive insurance & consider rental insurance. Insist on getting a check for the full cost of replacing with Toyota parts - then you can decide after check in hand if you're going to use after-market parts instead - which are much less expensive, and of lessor quality.
3) Rental insurance coverage costs $20/6mo for $900 wortho of rental car should this happen again, or a crash disables vehicle. We've been without the car for 2 1/2 wks due to several insurance adjustors, back-ordered part, and general confusion since we have a California emmissions vehicle registered in Virginia.
4) If you have a sticker under your hood indicating it is a California emissions vehicle -and your car is registered outside California - your local mechanic and his welder may be totally confused about what this means when it comes to catalytic converter replacement. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK !!!!!
5) Air Resources Board - Homepage is the place to go to get answers if your vehicle is or may in the future be registered in California. 1-800-242-4450. They also have a database where you can identify what parts are approved for your vehicle.
6) EO - Executive Order, is the mechanism by which you know you have an approved california emissions part.
7) Several mechanics will tell you that you should replace it with an OEM (original equipment manufacturer - i.e. Toyota) part - which runs in the $1000 -$2000 range compared to $200-400 range for after market. If you don't use Toyota part, chance you'll be dealing with engline light issues. Engine light issues in this case may very well be due to the inability for a lessor grade part to handle engine issues you had but were getting away with due to your "better" Toyota converter. After tons of research (seriously - about 16 hrs worth) we're going to take that chance - stay tuned.
8) The other 49 states operate under the federal standard - permitting more pollutants. We used the California database in addition to other recommendations to identify which 2-3 manufactures we considered.
9) CALL THE MANUFACTURE's DIRECTLY AND TALK TO THE TECHNICIANS-In our case I called Walker (almost called Bosal but it wasn't on the approved California list so didn't). The Walker tech (Joe I think) was fantastic - and went into great detail clearing up a lot of general questions I had. THE MAIN ADVANTAGE is ASSURING YOU GET THE CORRECT PART NUMBER FOR YOUR VEHICLE.
10) If you're car is registered in one of the 49 states (not Calif) -you can choose whether to install a California one or a federal one. Expect to wait at least a week for a California part. In our case, there was very little difference in price between the two - and the federal part is in stock locally so we're going with that.
11) Meinicke would only install the Toyota part - to avoid dealing with engine light troubleshooting which can lead them to have to replace a new aftermarket part with the Toyota one.
12) Tuffy however took the opposite approach and indicated they usualy put aftermarket parts on - usually the California approved in such cases and that if the engine light comes on they might have to replace with a different company part (upgrading).
13) RE: direct fit vs universal. Direct fit usually has the pipes also so if your pipes are in decent shape - you may only need the converter itself (universal).
14) Consider an inexpensive alarm system and going to a machine shop and having them weld on a protective cover to make it more difficult for the next attempt.

I hope this helps - I'm no mechanic, but learned a ton of info over 16 hrs of research.
 
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Wow, suprised I'm the first to post here. Thanks much for the lessons learned...lots of good info here. I especially like the idea of welding on a protective shield as cheap insurance.
 
Great Info!!!! Thanks!!!

This should be a start for a new Sticky due to the increase in CAT theft.
 
#10 should be clarified. On a Cali. car outside California, under Federal law, you are required to maintain the original characteristics of the vehicle--that is, you must meet the specs to which it was manufactured. You can use parts that are not CARB approved, but they must be Cali. spec. This is also necessary if you want to have a chance at keeping the light off. You will see lots of parts for Cali. spec cars that say: NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA.

You are not permitted to install Federal spec equipment in a Cali. spec vehicle outside California. Most states with advanced inspection will know that it is a Cali. spec from the VIN, and inspect to the original spec. In NJ, they go by the OBDII connection, and your ECM of course know it was born a Cal. car. The NJ MVA computers also have a VIN database that will say it is Cali. spec and this must match what the computer sees from the vehicle. My mechanic's computer plugs into the car and the MVA computer in Trenton, and no sticker gets printed unless the Trenton computer approves.

Of course, if you have no local inspections, the only relevant authority is your check-engine light.

Other than that, thanks for pulling together lots of good info.

It is also worth noting that Cali. spec only existed in '99 and '00. In 2001, the Feds adopted the stricter Cali. specs and all 3G 4Runners thereafter had the more efficient two-cat system. Cali. residents continued to be required to use only CARB-approved parts, while residents of other states were not.
 
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HeyKathy,

How has it worked?? My daughters 2001 is in need of the catalytic converters replaced per the dealership. For $1500 I will try to do it myself first.

Thanks
 
at the risk of sounding like a jerk i am going to say you should add "do not park in a shady area" to that list.

if i lived somewhere other than where i do now then i would consider a protective plate.
 
1) older Toyota 4-runners are prime targets due to amount of precious metals in the converter (and BMW's) and because of the ground clearance making it an easy "under & out" job - my insurance adjuster says they can do it in 30 secs. when they cut the pipes like they did on ours.
2) Always have comprehensive insurance & consider rental insurance. Insist on getting a check for the full cost of replacing with Toyota parts - then you can decide after check in hand if you're going to use after-market parts instead - which are much less expensive, and of lessor quality.
3) Rental insurance coverage costs $20/6mo for $900 wortho of rental car should this happen again, or a crash disables vehicle. We've been without the car for 2 1/2 wks due to several insurance adjustors, back-ordered part, and general confusion since we have a California emmissions vehicle registered in Virginia.
4) If you have a sticker under your hood indicating it is a California emissions vehicle -and your car is registered outside California - your local mechanic and his welder may be totally confused about what this means when it comes to catalytic converter replacement. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK !!!!!
5) Air Resources Board - Homepage is the place to go to get answers if your vehicle is or may in the future be registered in California. 1-800-242-4450. They also have a database where you can identify what parts are approved for your vehicle.
6) EO - Executive Order, is the mechanism by which you know you have an approved california emissions part.
7) Several mechanics will tell you that you should replace it with an OEM (original equipment manufacturer - i.e. Toyota) part - which runs in the $1000 -$2000 range compared to $200-400 range for after market. If you don't use Toyota part, chance you'll be dealing with engline light issues. Engine light issues in this case may very well be due to the inability for a lessor grade part to handle engine issues you had but were getting away with due to your "better" Toyota converter. After tons of research (seriously - about 16 hrs worth) we're going to take that chance - stay tuned.
8) The other 49 states operate under the federal standard - permitting more pollutants. We used the California database in addition to other recommendations to identify which 2-3 manufactures we considered.
9) CALL THE MANUFACTURE's DIRECTLY AND TALK TO THE TECHNICIANS-In our case I called Walker (almost called Bosal but it wasn't on the approved California list so didn't). The Walker tech (Joe I think) was fantastic - and went into great detail clearing up a lot of general questions I had. THE MAIN ADVANTAGE is ASSURING YOU GET THE CORRECT PART NUMBER FOR YOUR VEHICLE.
10) If you're car is registered in one of the 49 states (not Calif) -you can choose whether to install a California one or a federal one. Expect to wait at least a week for a California part. In our case, there was very little difference in price between the two - and the federal part is in stock locally so we're going with that.
11) Meinicke would only install the Toyota part - to avoid dealing with engine light troubleshooting which can lead them to have to replace a new aftermarket part with the Toyota one.
12) Tuffy however took the opposite approach and indicated they usualy put aftermarket parts on - usually the California approved in such cases and that if the engine light comes on they might have to replace with a different company part (upgrading).
13) RE: direct fit vs universal. Direct fit usually has the pipes also so if your pipes are in decent shape - you may only need the converter itself (universal).
14) Consider an inexpensive alarm system and going to a machine shop and having them weld on a protective cover to make it more difficult for the next attempt.

I hope this helps - I'm no mechanic, but learned a ton of info over 16 hrs of research.
Same thing happened to me last year. Replaced Cat with Magnaflow direct fit and worked great for about 2 months. Now I'm throwing "420" codes. So either drop $1,000.00 on toyota cat or go with URD O2 simulator.
 
Im in san antonio, and I was interning at a local hospital, they stole 30-50 cats a day once... in broad daylight... Luckily I drove my motorcycle that day... Damn immigrants...
 
Im in san antonio, and I was interning at a local hospital, they stole 30-50 cats a day once... in broad daylight... Luckily I drove my motorcycle that day... Damn immigrants...

Trooper we don't take kindly to xenophobia on T4R.

How do you know one of the mods isn't an immigrant or the son of one?

A good friend of mine was brought into the US by his parents at the age of 12. Years later he enlisted in the Amy at age 18. He served in Iraq and earned his citizenship while in the Army. I am a veteran also but my family has US roots going back 120 years. I view my friend as an equal. I guess I just view things differently than most Texans.
 
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at the risk of sounding like a jerk i am going to say you should add "do not park in a shady area" to that list.

if i lived somewhere other than where i do now then i would consider a protective plate.

That doesn't mean anything sometimes the riff raff go to the nicer areas and steal them overnight. I read in my local paper that they were going through El Segundo and Redondo Beach (which are pretty decent towns) one night stealing them from Toyotas parked in driveways.

On a side note, who can install a protective plate? I called a muffler shop a few weeks ago and they told me the best thing they could do is bot my cat to the truck, but warned me it still can get stolen.
 
alarms will not stop them. several members have said that the Toyoa alarm will not activate from the sound/vibration of the cat being cut off.

I know crimes still occur in "nice" areas but statistics do matter. The fact is you are much less likely to suffer property damage or theft depending of the zip code.

You can get a fab shop to weld something but is it really worth the trouble? You would probably be better off making sure your deductable is only $500.
 
Glad my deductable is

$500.

That does suck ass about the OE alarm though. If its going to happen its going to happen.
 
HeyKathy,

How has it worked?? My daughters 2001 is in need of the catalytic converters replaced per the dealership. For $1500 I will try to do it myself first.

Thanks

I have a Factory Cat with O2 sensor. Bolt on and it is $120. I am located just the other side of Smithfield.
 
Trooper we don't take kindly to xenophobia on T4R.

How do you know one of the mods isn't an immigrant or the son of one?

A good friend of mine was brought into the US by his parents at the age of 12. Years later he enlisted in the Amy at age 18. He served in Iraq and earned his citizenship while in the Army. I am a veteran also but my family has US roots going back 120 years. I view my friend as an equal. I guess I just view things differently than most Texans.

Seriously, you would waste your time writing this... Yes, we are ALL (except native americans) immigrants. Im speaking of course, of MEXICAN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Sorry I have to spell it out for you. 80% of the crime in south texas is due to illegal immigrants. Don't believe me? Look it up.

And yes you do "view things differntly" than Texans. You come off as a bit snooty. I've served 3 years in afghanistan alone. 1 year in iraq, 1 year in somalia. So I could care less about your buddies contribution. I have shrapnel in my back, and a reconstructed jaw from an IE explosion. Thanks for your input though.
 
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What he said - said both as a regular civilian (DA civilian working at Fort Leonard Wood) and as a veteran (17 years - about to go back in to get my last 3).

Not sure that the strong reaction was warranted; understand that you're not the first person to walk in here and mention 'immigrants.' However, there have been others that essentially view immigrants = not worth a darn, regardless of legal status.

This being said, I definitely understand your viewpoint, considering what you've been through. :)
 

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