CB radios and their importance.

It is usually better to have a single antenna. What happens when you have dual antennas without the proper seperation you end up creating a directional signal. You usually need 8' of seperation which is what semi's have and even then end up with directional signal from the wave patterns.

Handhelds are fine but they are usually lower powered and as mentioned can slip out of reach. Also the better handhelds will cost around $100 and you can get a few nice vehicle mount CB's for $40-$70(Cobra 18, Cobra 19, Uniden 510, Uniden 520 are some)

I have spotted through my mirror before on the CB. Examples would be if someone needs to move their line a few inches and is backing up can tell them what is behind them. However almost always spot outside vehicle with hand arm signals voice commands. Another good example is a steep incline with steep or blind drop. You can radio ahead asking for trail direction after cresting or if you are lead radio back. " As you crest it will drop slight passenger" or similar.
 
You usually need 8' of seperation which is what semi's have and even then end up with directional signal from the wave patterns.



I have spotted through my mirror before on the CB. Examples would be if someone needs to move their line a few inches and is backing up can tell them what is behind them. However almost always spot outside vehicle with hand arm signals voice commands. Another good example is a steep incline with steep or blind drop. You can radio ahead asking for trail direction after cresting or if you are lead radio back. " As you crest it will drop slight passenger" or similar.

Two great points.

So true. I have done some simple spotting from my drivers seat and CB.

Some long harder and with limited sight (trail drops of at the top) It's great to be able to radio ahead and see if the trail is clear. I see this more often on trails that are found in Moab and snowy hills.
 
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Not trying to throw another iorn in the fire, but our club uses handheld radios like you get at Walmart, etc. Many of us are never that far appart where we wheel and they seem to work fine. We used to ask for CBs but no one had/has them. I have one, but need to get it installed, its been a number of years since I had one in my vehicles.
When I had one before I grew tired of having it on on the highway and truckers cussing each other or other crap, that I could live without.
I still want to get my HAM but dont really know many people who have one.

Whatever works. The key is being able to communicate with each other. I suppose it just depends on the group.

I recently got a extra CB radio as a loaner. You can pick up used CBs for pretty cheap. Match that with a cig lighter adapter and a magnetic antenna you can install the CB in about a minute. It may not be the best setup but it will work for short distances.

When you place your antenna you also have to figure in if it is a base loaded or top loaded antenna. If you are using a base loaded antenna you will want the entire antenna above the vehicle for it to work its best. With a top loaded (most fiber glass ones) you only want to have a foot or two above the vehicle.
 
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I agree the CBs and or HAM radios or even a hand held are VERY useful and yes, FUN, but when a club tells people that they "have to have" this or that or you cant come play with us, is a little rude, maybe that person is new to wheeling, and cant afford or doesnt want, to go and buy this and that just to wheel with a club and find out they may or may not like wheeling.
Now, most people with the right group, will LOVE wheeling, some may like it, but to "require" people to have certain equipment to wheel with you is crazy, next you will say, only toyotas are allowed, only people with a lift from X company, only people with a locker can go etc etc lol..

again, I do very much agree that some form of communication is important, and sooooooooo much fun, but making people buy/borrow certain equipment and/or modifying thier vehicle, just to go wheel is crazy.

ok Ill get off my soapbox now :boxer:

Mind if I have a turn on the soapbox? :)

I can see your point if a having CB became a law requiring that everyone gets a CB installed before setting a tire on a trail. Thankfully it's not that way and we all have the freedom to decide from many groups to go wheeling with. Most don't require CBs and there's nothing wrong with that but to say that it's crazy to require it is going a bit extreme.

If wheeling means driving down a dirt road to enjoy the scenery then I agree it's really not that important. Some groups however include rock crawling, shelf roads, washouts, off camber, and steep grades on nearly all of their trail runs. Some of these trails truly mean death if you drive off an edge on accident. The core group that I go wheeling with is one of those groups that requires CBs and it's for our safety as well as the new person's. It's often not possible to stop someone from making a mistake in time if you don't have a CB.

Try yelling at a driver from 5 rigs back in a case of something simple like he's about to back into a tree. If you are the kind of person that wheels with the window down in the winter, you have a set of pipes loud enough to reach him, he also likes to ride with his windows down in the freezing temps, and he makes his passengers stay quiet in case he needs to hear someone then sure, just keep within earshot and the problem is solved. No need to spend $70 on a brand new handheld CB radio to prevent hundreds or thousands of dollars in damage.

I suppose you could just honk too. Maybe have the group learn some Morse code (which is free) so you can differentiate between "Hold up I have to pee", "Hang on, my rig is making a funny noise lemme check it out", "My bad, that first horn honk was me hitting the horn button on accident", "Wait up, now my girlfriend has to pee again" or of course the all important "Stop you bone head, you are going to smash into that rock you can't see."

At the risk of sounding like a jerk (I am sometimes, sorry about that!), when I go wheeling, I get tired of getting in and out of my rig over and over to tell people that are unfamiliar with the trail, snow pack, obstacle, what's going on, etc. Admittedly (but not proudly) sometimes I'll let people just roll on through a section in hopes that they won't damage their rig on an obstacle I'm familiar with. I could get out but I'm fat and lazy and of the opinion that if you are too broke to buy a CB then you are in the wrong hobby. Try origami, that's just the cost of some paper and you'll never need a CB. It's almost ironic that the people that often need the CB the most are the ones that are newest to wheeling.

I'm with ya that a first time wheeler should not be required to get a CB the first time out on a trail. Thankfully they're not unless they want to go wheeling with a group that requires a CB but how many groups have that requirement? There's RM4x4 and....? hmmm I don't know of anyone else.

I respect that you think it's crazy to require a CB but I sure don't agree with that statement. If you were to call me crazy, or ugly, or crazy ugly, that would make a lot more sense. I couldn't argue those.
 
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I can't remember where I saw it, but someone recommended the following as a simple, entry-level CB setup.

Amazon.com: Midland 75-822 40 Channel CB-Way Radio: Electronics

Amazon.com: Cobra HG A 1500 Base-Load Medium Magnet Mount 300W CB Antenna: GPS & Navigation

I was getting ready to buy this, but noticed that Amazon recommended an extra adapter that apparently some people buy along with these pieces.

Amazon.com: Cobra HA-BNC CB Adapter: Car Electronics

Is this extra adapter necessary for this setup? Lastly, I can't see where it indicates how long the cables are. Will this setup be long enough to mount on the roof and run to the center console area?

Thanks!
 
I can't remember where I saw it, but someone recommended the following as a simple, entry-level CB setup.

Amazon.com: Midland 75-822 40 Channel CB-Way Radio: Electronics

Amazon.com: Cobra HG A 1500 Base-Load Medium Magnet Mount 300W CB Antenna: GPS & Navigation

I was getting ready to buy this, but noticed that Amazon recommended an extra adapter that apparently some people buy along with these pieces.

Amazon.com: Cobra HA-BNC CB Adapter: Car Electronics

Is this extra adapter necessary for this setup? Lastly, I can't see where it indicates how long the cables are. Will this setup be long enough to mount on the roof and run to the center console area?

Thanks!

Correct me if I'm wrong guys which I might be but my antenna didn't come with a cable. That's what that connector piece is for, to connect to coaxial to the antenna. What's confusing is the pic shows a small piece of cable attached to the antenna. I'd try going to manufacturer's site and see if they have the specs on the cable.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong guys which I might be but my antenna didn't come with a cable. That's what that connector piece is for, to connect to coaxial to the antenna. What's confusing is the pic shows a small piece of cable attached to the antenna. I'd try going to manufacturer's site and see if they have the specs on the cable.

Looks like the cable is included, but I don't know enough about connectors to know if the adapter is still required.

https://www.cobra.com/detail/hg-a1500-magnet-mount-antenna-31-inches.cfm
 
Couple of us are actually getting into HAM soon we hope! :) Any suggestions on mobile best value HAM?

If you and the others haven't done so already, check out ARRL's licensing web page.

Ham gear tends to cost more than CB and like anything, you pay your money and take your chances. That said, are you looking for just 2m/70cm (where most hams start) or do you want HF as well? I've had several different 2m70cm rigs and my favorite is the Yaesu FT-8800R. For HF and 2m/70cm I use an ICOM IC-7000.

Antennas is a whole world to itself. The important thing is keep it mounted high and as close to the center of the roof as possible. For 2m/70cm, you can get by with a simple mag mount to start with and then if you really get into ham radio invest in a high gain antenna. HF antennas are hard to do right for mobile because the are big. Most common is a screwdriver antenna mounted on the rear bumper.
 
If you and the others haven't done so already, check out ARRL's licensing web page.

Ham gear tends to cost more than CB and like anything, you pay your money and take your chances. That said, are you looking for just 2m/70cm (where most hams start) or do you want HF as well? I've had several different 2m70cm rigs and my favorite is the Yaesu FT-8800R. For HF and 2m/70cm I use an ICOM IC-7000.

Antennas is a whole world to itself. The important thing is keep it mounted high and as close to the center of the roof as possible. For 2m/70cm, you can get by with a simple mag mount to start with and then if you really get into ham radio invest in a high gain antenna. HF antennas are hard to do right for mobile because the are big. Most common is a screwdriver antenna mounted on the rear bumper.

Dont forget, that HAMs do cost more than CBs, and that getting a license/testing is another cost, that most dont think about, for that reason, most would rather just do a CB, and IIRC you are required to license a CB, at no cost, though about 99.9% of people do not, lol
another thing to think about, CBs have about a 5 mile range, give or take, and a HAM radio with repeaters can have a range that will reach across states, please someone correct me if Im wrong, I dont know much about HAMs, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn laast night lol
 
Dont forget, that HAMs do cost more than CBs, and that getting a license/testing is another cost, that most dont think about, for that reason, most would rather just do a CB, and IIRC you are required to license a CB, at no cost, though about 99.9% of people do not, lol

Yep, it's just like a stereo, more features, quality and power costs more $$$. The licensing fee is $17/10yrs last I checked. Not an amount to be concerned about, the cost of the radios is much more.

The FT8800 I mentioned before typically costs about $450 (others can be found for the price of a top line CB). However, ham gear can't be compared to a CB, it's apples and oranges. 4watts vs 50watts, ability to link to phone lines through repeaters. Distance without repeaters (open area) is the horizon or better. I've talked over 50mi without a repeater and 100s with.

One of the big advantages that hams have is no noise or people shouting "skipland, skipland". That type of stuff just isn't tolerated by hams. Plus it doesn't have 24 channels, it has no channels, you tune to what ever frequency you want that someone isn't using, the equivalent of hundreds of channels.
 
Cobra 19 plus

It is usually better to have a single antenna. What happens when you have dual antennas without the proper seperation you end up creating a directional signal. You usually need 8' of seperation which is what semi's have and even then end up with directional signal from the wave patterns.

Handhelds are fine but they are usually lower powered and as mentioned can slip out of reach. Also the better handhelds will cost around $100 and you can get a few nice vehicle mount CB's for $40-$70(Cobra 18, Cobra 19, Uniden 510, Uniden 520 are some)

I have spotted through my mirror before on the CB. Examples would be if someone needs to move their line a few inches and is backing up can tell them what is behind them. However almost always spot outside vehicle with hand arm signals voice commands. Another good example is a steep incline with steep or blind drop. You can radio ahead asking for trail direction after cresting or if you are lead radio back. " As you crest it will drop slight passenger" or similar.


I've had my cobra 19 since 1990 and it works great.

Here it is installed:
CIMG5132.jpg~original


I now have it hardwired into a terminal behind the left foot kickpanel:
The open 'red' outlet on the far left of my terminal is now the 'hot' positive for my cb.
CIMG6693.jpg~original
 
I can't remember where I saw it, but someone recommended the following as a simple, entry-level CB setup.

Amazon.com: Midland 75-822 40 Channel CB-Way Radio: Electronics

Amazon.com: Cobra HG A 1500 Base-Load Medium Magnet Mount 300W CB Antenna: GPS & Navigation

I was getting ready to buy this, but noticed that Amazon recommended an extra adapter that apparently some people buy along with these pieces.

Amazon.com: Cobra HA-BNC CB Adapter: Car Electronics

Is this extra adapter necessary for this setup? Lastly, I can't see where it indicates how long the cables are. Will this setup be long enough to mount on the roof and run to the center console area?

Thanks!
That was probably me Glen Yoshida, Japanese wheeling nutjob, that recommended it. You don't need the adapter. The Midland already comes terminated with the standard connector for CB cables. I have that radio and antenna and you do not need the connector.




Correct me if I'm wrong guys which I might be but my antenna didn't come with a cable. That's what that connector piece is for, to connect to coaxial to the antenna. What's confusing is the pic shows a small piece of cable attached to the antenna. I'd try going to manufacturer's site and see if they have the specs on the cable.
Yer right, standard antennas do not normally come with coax cables. This mag mount antenna comes with it's own cable and it's already terminated. The adapter is for some handheld units that have a BNC connector on the short flexible antenna instead of the standard CB/HAM connector. The Midland handheld radio linked above has both BNC and a standard CB connector.



If you are new to HAM, you'll be looking at 2meter or dual band 2meter/70cm. If you are looking for a setup that is only for wheeling then you really only need a 2m radio because that's pretty much all wheelers use anyway. The main reason you might want to consider a dual band radio is because they come in units that have remote faces. To my knowledge no one makes a 2m only radio with a remote face.

Here's a dual band radio with a remote face. You can get them for about $300 shipped.
Yaesu7800.jpg~original



Here's a basic 2M radio with a whopping 75 watts built right into the unit.
$212 Shipped
41ThXINDs7L._SL500_AA300_.jpg~original


HAM antennas for vehicles are basically the same cost as CB antennas. For a 2m setup you can use a 1/4 wave antenna which is 18" tall. Don't let the size fool you. 18" 1/4 wave HAM radio will kick the snot out of a CB setup with a 4 foot top loaded antenna.


Remember that depending on the geographic area that you wheel in that center roof top might not be the best place for antenna placement. It is the best for reception and transmission but in you are in a place like here in Colorado an antenna in the center roof top will lead to broken mounts and antennas. This is true even if you have a spring loaded base. They will only take so many low branches before the stress causes a break or crack.

In practical use a CB will get about 1 - 1.5 miles. The range drops if you are behind a hill from the rest of the group. If you are in the middle of the sticks and you are going peak to peak with little interference you can go many miles. That's near idea conditions though and how often do you drive around in tiny circles at the top of one peak while your buddy does the same thing on another peak nearby lol.

Technically a HAM license is free. It's the proctors time that you are paying for. Mine was only $14 so I hardly seemed worth it to even look into how to take the test for free. Your license is good for 10 years. The test was easy. 35 questions, all multiple choice. You only need a 70% or greater to pass so you can miss nine questions and still get your license. There are many study guides and online software available to help you study. Many study aides give you the actual question and answer, verbatim. If you fail it's because you put in very, very little effort. I am not a smart person and I passed so if that isn't proof that it's not hard I don't know what is.

Legally you do need a license to transmit on a CB but it's not enforced. It's like a lot of laws we have like the law that makes it illegal to wear a fake moustache that causes laughter in church. Yep, it's an actual law. Look it up.


The only real disadvantage of HAM that I know of in comparison to CB is that everyone needs to get a license to use them in a group. Since any Joe can get a CB right off the shelf and be talking within the hour we've adopted CBs as the standard. On a normal trail CBs work well enough plus they are cheap. It's those bigger trips with groups leaving at different times and trying to rendezvous out in the middle of nowhere that CBs just don't cut it. Try finding the group in an area you don't know without a working cellphone after the campsite moved 30 minutes away. I guess that's what extra gas cans are for lol.
 
CB Mic

I had to go to an authorized Cobra communications shop ('D&R Communications') in Clackamas, Oregon to get the four pin power mic I bought converted to be a 5 pin to fit my mic plug-in end on the cb. The mic takes a 6 cell battery in the back, but works like a normal mic without it. The top and back of the mic has a dial from 1 to 10.

Center of this photo has a yellow 'push pin' marker where I had the work done.
drcomms.jpg~original
 
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Plus the greatest thing of all. Calling out false bear reports. Nothing like getting all the trucks back into the right lane. You can make your destination in record time. Give it a try.
 
I remember years ago driving to FL from the North East and it seemed that everybody had a CB with the biggest benefit knowing where "smokey" was hiding.

Just two weeks ago I drive down I95 from Philly to NC and was saddened to learn that there was almost not a peep on C19 as I passed one speed trap to another.

Don't at least truckers still use them on the highway?

I deal with truck drivers on a daily basis and only about 50% seem to have working CBs in their trucks....I think they are mostly using cell phones these days.
 
That was probably me Glen Yoshida, Japanese wheeling nutjob, that recommended it. You don't need the adapter. The Midland already comes terminated with the standard connector for CB cables. I have that radio and antenna and you do not need the connector.

If you are new to HAM, you'll be looking at 2meter or dual band 2meter/70cm. If you are looking for a setup that is only for wheeling then you really only need a 2m radio because that's pretty much all wheelers use anyway. The main reason you might want to consider a dual band radio is because they come in units that have remote faces. To my knowledge no one makes a 2m only radio with a remote face.

Here's a dual band radio with a remote face. You can get them for about $300 shipped.
Yaesu7800.jpg~original



Here's a basic 2M radio with a whopping 75 watts built right into the unit.
$212 Shipped
41ThXINDs7L._SL500_AA300_.jpg~original


In practical use a CB will get about 1 - 1.5 miles. The range drops if you are behind a hill from the rest of the group. If you are in the middle of the sticks and you are going peak to peak with little interference you can go many miles. That's near idea conditions though and how often do you drive around in tiny circles at the top of one peak while your buddy does the same thing on another peak nearby lol.

Legally you do need a license to transmit on a CB but it's not enforced. It's like a lot of laws we have like the law that makes it illegal to wear a fake moustache that causes laughter in church. Yep, it's an actual law. Look it up.

The only real disadvantage of HAM that I know of in comparison to CB is that everyone needs to get a license to use them in a group. Since any Joe can get a CB right off the shelf and be talking within the hour we've adopted CBs as the standard. On a normal trail CBs work well enough plus they are cheap. It's those bigger trips with groups leaving at different times and trying to rendezvous out in the middle of nowhere that CBs just don't cut it. Try finding the group in an area you don't know without a working cellphone after the campsite moved 30 minutes away. I guess that's what extra gas cans are for lol.

My Larsen dual band antenna is TINY compared to my big Cb firestik, although that little antenna blows it right out of the water.
CB doesn't even compare to the performance of a ham radio. Another advantage is the use of repeaters in your area. Usually the license cost around $15 but that is for 20 years! It only takes a little bit of studying and all the questions are published.
The biggest problem with CB is that they are limited to 4 watts of output, therefore they only make good line of sight radios. They fade really fast when you are in the forest or desert. Trees and whatnot absorb RF so it really weakens a signal sometimes to 1/2 mile. The lowest setting on mine is 5 watts and it still goes farther than a CB.
I know all this from experience, the search and rescue group I am a part of specializes in communications.
I run a Yaesu 8800r in my truck and love it (see pic below). It has the two sides so you can run two different channels at once. I have it programmed with all the local police, fire, ambulance, etc., as well as the normal ham frequencies.

If anybody needs help getting a ham license, feel free to PM me. I am glad to help people out that are trying to get into the hobby.


Yaesu8800.jpg~original
 
My Larsen dual band antenna is TINY compared to my big Cb firestik, although that little antenna blows it right out of the water.
CB doesn't even compare to the performance of a ham radio. Another advantage is the use of repeaters in your area. Usually the license cost around $15 but that is for 20 years! It only takes a little bit of studying and all the questions are published.
The biggest problem with CB is that they are limited to 4 watts of output, therefore they only make good line of sight radios. They fade really fast when you are in the forest or desert. Trees and whatnot absorb RF so it really weakens a signal sometimes to 1/2 mile. The lowest setting on mine is 5 watts and it still goes farther than a CB.
I know all this from experience, the search and rescue group I am a part of specializes in communications.
I run a Yaesu 8800r in my truck and love it (see pic below). It has the two sides so you can run two different channels at once. I have it programmed with all the local police, fire, ambulance, etc., as well as the normal ham frequencies.

If anybody needs help getting a ham license, feel free to PM me. I am glad to help people out that are trying to get into the hobby.


Yaesu8800.jpg~original


I have a question, can HAM radio communicate with a CB, are there models that can “switch” back and forth?
 
Very true indeed.

We were on those CBs all the time in moab. Not just on the trail, but driving to the trail and going back. It helped us stay together so many times!
 

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