Climate Control-Heat Not Cranking

[Raider2444]

I'm about a week into my 2015 LE and loving it. My only issue is the heat doesn't seem to get as hot as my other cars. I utilize the remote start and run it about 5 min before I take off and it just seems to take another 5 minutes before the fan kicks on and starts to heat up. Even then the truck doesn't feel hot. Maybe it is a Toyota thing but I also noticed the blower for the fan doesn't seem very powerful even cranked up all the way. I usually drive my cars with the heat on the lowest setting as anything higher is usually too much, but with this truck I find myself constantly playing with the unit to try and get more heat. Before I head to the dealership I wanted to see if anyone else has had this experience or it's just me. Perhaps there is the right temp and setting that needs to be dialed in to get efficient heat. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

[1engineer]

Do a quick search 5th gen 20 minutes to heat up. Post #29.

 

[buchaja]

Do a quick search 5th gen 20 minutes to heat up. Post #29.

Don't listen to this guy. Post number one says it all: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/187546-does-your-5th-gen-take-20-minutes-warm-up.html

Yesterday, it was about 16F here and my 4Runner didn't completely warm up in 30 minutes of city driving. It's very much temperature dependent, but after the know-it-all engineer "took one for the team" and provided some data points that showed HIS 4Runner warmed up quite nicely at 35F, I gathered very similar data that my truck also warms normally at temps above about 30F -- and with a blanket of snow on the hood to provide insulation. I'll get some pics later.

I've been waiting for much colder days to duplicate the experiences I am having that prompted my first post about this, but we haven't gotten down to the 10 degree or below temperatures yet.

I like you, Mr. Engineer, but you should ask for your money back for your education.

 

[Raider2444]

Don't listen to this guy. Post number one says it all: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/187546-does-your-5th-gen-take-20-minutes-warm-up.html

Yesterday, it was about 16F here and my 4Runner didn't completely warm up in 30 minutes of city driving. It's very much temperature dependent, but after the know-it-all engineer "took one for the team" and provided some data points that showed HIS 4Runner warmed up quite nicely at 35F, I gathered very similar data that my truck also warms normally at temps above about 30F -- and with a blanket of snow on the hood to provide insulation. I'll get some pics later.

I've been waiting for much colder days to duplicate the experiences I am having that prompted my first post about this, but we haven't gotten down toe the 10 degree or below temperatures yet.

I like you, Mr. Engineer, but you should ask for your money back for your education.

Thanks for the information. I read all the posts and in a way it is comforting knowing im not nuts. In the same aspect a 40K+ vehicle should not take 20 minutes to heat up. I'm going to swing by the dealership to see if anything can be done. Even the fan sucks in terms of power. I'll keep you posted.

 

[tamerunner]

Thanks for the information. I read all the posts and in a way it is comforting knowing im not nuts. In the same aspect a 40K+ vehicle should not take 20 minutes to heat up. I'm going to swing by the dealership to see if anything can be done. Even the fan sucks in terms of power. I'll keep you posted.

What the hell does the cost of the vehicle have to do with how long it takes to heat up. What is it with you people saying that your 40k should do this or do that. You think 40k is allot for a car look at other ones. Maybe you should have gotten a jeep grand Cherokee. It probably hearts up faster so your little fingers don't start cold....... That is until you have to push the piece of sh!t to the dealer at 3k miles because of electrical problems.

 

[1engineer]

Don't listen to this guy. Post number one says it all: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/187546-does-your-5th-gen-take-20-minutes-warm-up.html

Yesterday, it was about 16F here and my 4Runner didn't completely warm up in 30 minutes of city driving. It's very much temperature dependent, but after the know-it-all engineer "took one for the team" and provided some data points that showed HIS 4Runner warmed up quite nicely at 35F, I gathered very similar data that my truck also warms normally at temps above about 30F -- and with a blanket of snow on the hood to provide insulation. I'll get some pics later.

I've been waiting for much colder days to duplicate the experiences I am having that prompted my first post about this, but we haven't gotten down toe the 10 degree or below temperatures yet.

I like you, Mr. Engineer, but you should ask for your money back for your education.

Post some data please instead of opinion. Do the same thing I did and prove something different or is it just easier to complain to a bunch of strangers on the internet? You don't even to know heat transfer formulas to understand that the colder it is the longer it will take to warm up given an identical heat source.

 

[mo_mo]

With the LE I'm going to presume that it has auto climate control. Is it using fresh outside air or is it on recirc? Is there a coolant temp gauge? What does that read?

On my 2014 Trail the coolant temp gauge creeps up about 1.5 miles from home (downhill glide onto a freeway for 1 mile, then .5 mile freeway climb (5th gear not WOT ~60mph typically). Then by 2~2.5 miles the coolant temp gauge is fully warmed up (horizontal needle). So I get full heat within less than 2 minutes out of the vents. Full disclosure: this is with a 50F OAT.

Kitchen meat probes and a stop watch will work just as well as the 1E test for those of us without fancy Flukes.

TRD Radiator Cap:Toyota Racing Development


YMMV

 

[Raider2444]

What the hell does the cost of the vehicle have to do with how long it takes to heat up. What is it with you people saying that your 40k should do this or do that. You think 40k is allot for a car look at other ones. Maybe you should have gotten a jeep grand Cherokee. It probably hearts up faster so your little fingers don't start cold....... That is until you have to push the piece of sh!t to the dealer at 3k miles because of electrical problems.

First let me thank you for the insight or lack there of. I did not realize 40k is chump change and one should just be happy that the heat is not working properly. You are correct, only in a Jeep Grand Cherokee can someone expect heat. This is the best advice I got since joining this forum. Had you read my entire post as opposed to cutting a piece out to support your theory of people thinking 40k is a lot for a car, you might have actually been able to provide something useful like the others. Thanks for the support.

 

[jasonv]

I've owned many vehicles, and my 2012 SR5 is easily the slowest to warm up, and has the weakest fan output of any vehicle I have owned, or even ever been in. Why? No idea. is it a deal breaker? No but its pretty annoying sometimes when its -30 out. I literally have to start it 30 minutes early to be comfortable.

 

[jasonv]

What the hell does the cost of the vehicle have to do with how long it takes to heat up. What is it with you people saying that your 40k should do this or do that. You think 40k is allot for a car look at other ones. Maybe you should have gotten a jeep grand Cherokee. It probably hearts up faster so your little fingers don't start cold....... That is until you have to push the piece of sh!t to the dealer at 3k miles because of electrical problems.

relax, retard. its not like he insulted your mom. Toyota isn't going to notice or reward you blatant, blind, fanboi nonsense.

 

[diverscale]

What the hell does the cost of the vehicle have to do with how long it takes to heat up. What is it with you people saying that your 40k should do this or do that. You think 40k is allot for a car look at other ones. Maybe you should have gotten a jeep grand Cherokee. It probably hearts up faster so your little fingers don't start cold....... That is until you have to push the piece of sh!t to the dealer at 3k miles because of electrical problems.

Lol that post made of laugh too much. Sorry for the other too serious and intelligent people out here.

As for the first poster: Let me tell you something, living in canada, this truck is not the fastest warming machine I've got I admit. It can take up to 5 minutes of highway driving, in very cold temp, to begin to feel somewhat comfortable. I think this might be the ''fuel economy tune'' of the truck during warm up, coupled with the all aluminium engine and the radiator fan always blowing on the block.

 

[jasonv]

Post some data please instead of opinion. Do the same thing I did and prove something different or is it just easier to complain to a bunch of strangers on the internet? You don't even to know heat transfer formulas to understand that the colder it is the longer it will take to warm up given an identical heat source.

what did you de exactly? did you measure the velocity of the air coming out of the vents? the rate of change of temperature in the vehicle at many points? did you compare that data to several other vehicles? did you survey many different individuals about their subjective impressions about how fast/effective the heating system was? and cross reference that to other surveys done in other vehicles under the exact same conditions and do a statistical analysis?

or does it make sense to just accept the consistent anecdotes of many different people who have nothing to gain by pointlessly complaining?

 

[FrontRange4Runner]

Don't listen to this guy. Post number one says it all: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/187546-does-your-5th-gen-take-20-minutes-warm-up.html

Yesterday, it was about 16F here and my 4Runner didn't completely warm up in 30 minutes of city driving. It's very much temperature dependent, but after the know-it-all engineer "took one for the team" and provided some data points that showed HIS 4Runner warmed up quite nicely at 35F, I gathered very similar data that my truck also warms normally at temps above about 30F -- and with a blanket of snow on the hood to provide insulation. I'll get some pics later.

I've been waiting for much colder days to duplicate the experiences I am having that prompted my first post about this, but we haven't gotten down to the 10 degree or below temperatures yet.

I like you, Mr. Engineer, but you should ask for your money back for your education.

1. Not sure what you're smoking man, but try something else. 30+ min of drive time and your not warmed up? Calling B f'n S on that. Not possible unless you started the vehicle and pushed it down a never ending hill, wile at idle, in below freezing conditions. If you're not getting heat at this point, you have one of a few issues, but the engine will be at operating temp for the vast majority of that time and your heating should reflect that (start with replacing your cabin filter - can make a HUGE difference when the hot air is not actually making to the cabin). Mine was up to operating temp in 5 min @-18F and the heat was more than adequate after that time.

2. Why are you talking shit about someone with the only real data point when you have none to offer of your own? I personally would like to see a lot of data points so we can get an overall picture of how the vehicle operates, but not these seat of the pants estimations - i.e., your post, and a bunch of others.....

 

[Antman]

1. Not sure what you're smoking man, but try something else. 30+ min of drive time and your not warmed up? Calling B f'n S on that. Not possible unless you started the vehicle and pushed it down a never ending hill, wile at idle, in below freezing conditions. If you're not getting heat at this point, you have one of a few issues, but the engine will be at operating temp for the vast majority of that time and your heating should reflect that (start with replacing your cabin filter - can make a HUGE difference when the hot air is not actually making to the cabin). Mine was up to operating temp in 5 min @-18F and the heat was more than adequate after that time.

2. Why are you talking shit about someone with the only real data point when you have none to offer of your own? I personally would like to see a lot of data points so we can get an overall picture of how the vehicle operates, but not these seat of the pants estimations - i.e., your post, and a bunch of others.....

Mine takes like 2 hours to warm up...:brick:

Seriously- first he said 20 minutes, now it's 30 minutes. Maybe he's using a sundial to measure time here...




....5 minutes and you have at least some heat (I had single digit temps all last week so I know) and 10 mins into it you are at close to full heat.
Is the fan marginal at best? Yes.
Does this vehicle have a world class HVAC system? No.
Does it take 30 minutes to provide heat? Only for asshats, apparantly [MENTION=88248]buchaja[/MENTION].

 

[tamerunner]

relax, retard. its not like he insulted your mom. Toyota isn't going to notice or reward you blatant, blind, fanboi nonsense.

Thanks buddy. Actually I received an email from Toyota directly for my stance. What annoyed me so much is the fact that everybody thinks they should get the world for 40k. Is it chump change no. But you could spend a little more money and get a nicer vehicle. Oddly enough you could spend less and get a not nicer vehicle (since I am a retard). The inflation on the runner is far less than some other vehicles out there. Besides the fact the deciding what you should or shouldn't get and got things should or shouldn't operate on a 40k vehicle is a matter of opinion anyway. To the OP, I don't have any insight. I'm just trolling another thread where somebody complains about what there doesn't do or didn't come with for the 40k. There should be a sticky for that

 

[1engineer]

Thanks buddy. Actually I received an email from Toyota directly for my stance. What annoyed me so much is the fact that everybody thinks they should get the world for 40k. Is it chump change no. But you could spend a little more money and get a nicer vehicle. Oddly enough you could spend less and get a not nicer vehicle (since I am a retard). The inflation on the runner is far less than some other vehicles out there. Besides the fact the deciding what you should or shouldn't get and got things should or shouldn't operate on a 40k vehicle is a matter of opinion anyway. To the OP, I don't have any insight. I'm just trolling another thread where somebody complains about what there doesn't do or didn't come with for the 40k. There should be a sticky for that

[MENTION=82490]tamerunner[/MENTION] I addressed people like [MENTION=109747]jasonv[/MENTION] in this thread http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/182051-expectations.html and it also addresses the huge $40K pricetag.

 

[1engineer]

what did you de exactly? did you measure the velocity of the air coming out of the vents? the rate of change of temperature in the vehicle at many points? did you compare that data to several other vehicles? did you survey many different individuals about their subjective impressions about how fast/effective the heating system was? and cross reference that to other surveys done in other vehicles under the exact same conditions and do a statistical analysis?

or does it make sense to just accept the consistent anecdotes of many different people who have nothing to gain by pointlessly complaining?

Did you not read the link? Here you go http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/187546-does-your-5th-gen-take-20-minutes-warm-up-2.html

 

[mrt6644]

I'm about a week into my 2015 LE and loving it. My only issue is the heat doesn't seem to get as hot as my other cars. I utilize the remote start and run it about 5 min before I take off and it just seems to take another 5 minutes before the fan kicks on and starts to heat up. Even then the truck doesn't feel hot. Maybe it is a Toyota thing but I also noticed the blower for the fan doesn't seem very powerful even cranked up all the way. I usually drive my cars with the heat on the lowest setting as anything higher is usually too much, but with this truck I find myself constantly playing with the unit to try and get more heat. Before I head to the dealership I wanted to see if anyone else has had this experience or it's just me. Perhaps there is the right temp and setting that needs to be dialed in to get efficient heat. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Thanks.

I noticed this a bit, but this was in 0-15 degree temps (F).
The temp gaugue crept up about the same speed as my 2008 FJ Cruiser, so no issues there.
My only concern was the lack of air volume when it is on Full.
My FJ Cruiser had a healthier supply of air volume blowing through.
Maybe its because the 4Runner has nore vents to blow through?

I dont mind that much, but I do like high powered air fans.

 

[commbubba19]

I noticed this a bit, but this was in 0-15 degree temps (F).
The temp gaugue crept up about the same speed as my 2008 FJ Cruiser, so no issues there.
My only concern was the lack of air volume when it is on Full.
My FJ Cruiser had a healthier supply of air volume blowing through.
Maybe its because the 4Runner has nore vents to blow through?

I dont mind that much, but I do like high powered air fans.

My 15 4runner warms up about the same as my 12 FJC did as well.

However like you, I noticed the fan output on the 4runner is pathetically weak.

 

[shaneotool]

I have a 2011 Toyota Sienna and 2011 4runner.

The Sienna's heat will melt your skin off. It gets blazing hot in there.

The 4runner I have to leave on full blast heat much of the time to stay warm.