Cold Air Intake w/ Throttle Spacer
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sharp4runr
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I've always heard that those throttle body spacers are useless. What claims does it make? Is it the one that is suppose to swirl the air coming into the throttle body to increase air flow?
There is a product called Tornado that is suppose to do the same thing...
I didn't know they made them for the V6, I've only ever seen them for the V8 too.
There is a product called Tornado that is suppose to do the same thing...
I didn't know they made them for the V6, I've only ever seen them for the V8 too.
They are supposed to help low end torque and gas mileage. This is not the tornado. That is an incert that is supposed to spin air. Its the same idea as the airaid throttle spacer but just not quite done right. The throttle spacer is right at the throttle so the air being mixed with fuel is spun. The tornado spins the air further up in this process and has been proven to even impede airflow. The throttle spacer doesnt hurt airflow at all and is supposed to mix the fuel and air better. Somebody correct me if I am wrong in any of this. My original question was if the k&n would fit with the spacer but after installing the cold air intake tonight Im pretty sure it will. Ill let everyone know.
Casper
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The theory behind a spacer is that it actually creates an increase in diplacment of the engine...if only marginally. The longer spacing allows for a better fuel/air mix (in carbs) but in a Injected use it allows for the slightly larger displace with a better primary runner lengt on the intake. In addition, the newer spacers have added this "swirl" technology to help promote increased effeciency and as an energy adder of the air inside the plenum and chambers and to promote better atomization inside the chamber.
NCSCOTT
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ftbjoe87 said:
I also Installed my FIPK today. Does yours make a loud hum(Induction noise) at WOT loud enough to rattle the change in your ashtray??
I would tend to agree that the Throttle Spacer will fit with the K&N FIPK.
Airaids site claims Dyno-proven results, but they fail to provide a dyno chart like K&N does for their kits. I would like to know the how much HP & TRQ you actually gain from the spacer. Would it help to reduce the intake noise from the K&N? How much does the spacer go for??
The spacer goes for about 90 bucks and is supposed to give you better gas milage and what not. As for the sound mine does make that loud noise at wide open throttle. I doubt that a spacer will help this. I heard it makes a little whistle type noise but I doubt it is audible from inside the car.
ftbjoe87 said:
To answer your original question: No, you shouldn't have any fitment problems between the stock TB and the CAI with the spacer in between. The spacers are designed to fit to the stock TB and leave a stock fitting for the intake tube.
Everyone here gives the TBS (Throttle Body Spacer) alot of shit saying its a waste of money, etc. Well, I stand by it and here's why: My last truck was a '99 Chevy Blazer with the 4.3L V6. I put a cold air intake on and didn't notice much difference except for a slight increase in gas mileage. I installed the TBS about 6 months later and noticed a significant improvement in performance and a slight improvement in gas mileage. In fact, the very first time I got to try it out I was stopped a a stop sign, I was turning right, there was no traffic so I floored it and I actually got wheelspin on the rear-right tire. That had never happened before the TBS. On the highway I consistently noticed more passing power even as spring became summer and I had to use the A/C more. Still, more power over stock. I would've bet big money that the gains from the TBS w/ the CAI would show on a dyno, at least on my blazer.
My point is here that a TBS by itself is probably useless, as others have noted. But I believe that using the TBS in conjunction w/ the CAI really complimented each other. If you think about it, it makes sense...More air from the CAI PLUS the spacing and swirling action of the TBS lead to a better air-fuel mix, promoting power and fuel economy.
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RonMAIDEN
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So,your basing your results on tirespin?
Not very scientific considering it could be due to cold asphalt,tire pressure or even a little sand on the road since a TBS will not give that kind of gain anyway period to all of a sudden be able to spin the tires and IMO it's still throwing money down the toilet to for a questionable gain of HP.
Not very scientific considering it could be due to cold asphalt,tire pressure or even a little sand on the road since a TBS will not give that kind of gain anyway period to all of a sudden be able to spin the tires and IMO it's still throwing money down the toilet to for a questionable gain of HP.
RonMAIDEN said:
No, not necessarily. If you read my post I also said that there was consistently improved passing power as well. I was using wheelspin as an indication that there was more low-end torque.
Is this scientific? No. Did I have the truck dynoed? No. I probably could've done some self timing before and after the install but I really didn't care that much. The only reason I even installed the TBS was because my friend went to put the same one on his blazer, a 2003, but it didn't fit for some reason, so we tried my truck and it fit fine, so I bought it from him after we installed it. I tested it out and was pleasently suprised by the results.
All I'm saying is that I noticed a "signifcant difference" in power after installing the TBS, other than that there isn't much more scientific evidence I can give you because I don't have it anymore. I guess people are just going to have to take my word for it.
I think you and I have had this discussion before on some other thread. I'll say it agian. The basis behind the TBS is sound. The reason it doesn't make a difference by itself is because the stock intake system does a good enough job mixing the air/fuel at stock airflow levels. At higher airflow levels the TBS swirls the larger volume of air to promote a better fuel-air mix. More air+better air/fuel mix = more power (not alot, but noticable). BTW, if you are going to use the argument that you didn't notice a difference with or without a TBS on a dyno with your deckplate mod then I'll advise you that your deckplate mod doesn't flow as much air as a CAI. It has less intake area, less filter area, and more load on airflow as it still has to travel through the stock airbox.
I'm done with this discussion. People will either beleive what I say or not. I don't have any reason to lie, I'm just trying to be objective based on my past experiences.
trd_style
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OUTRNNR said:
Very interestin'. I never really heard about this TBS before. Not sure if it works but the price shouldn't cost that much though. I would try it just to give you guys some reviews but it doesn't seem to worth it. But i'll think about it and give some REAL reviews from a T4R.
NCSCOTT
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Power Aid Spacer w/K&N FIPK on 04 V6
Installed my Power Aid TBS this evening with my already installed FIPK. I know there will be plenty of nay sayers but I am going to use the wait and see approach. Could not really feel any seat of the pants increase, but I will run a few tanks of gas and see if the MPG improves at all. Here are a few Pics.
Installed my Power Aid TBS this evening with my already installed FIPK. I know there will be plenty of nay sayers but I am going to use the wait and see approach. Could not really feel any seat of the pants increase, but I will run a few tanks of gas and see if the MPG improves at all. Here are a few Pics.
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greasefingers
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Swirling air sure sounds pointless to me. To swirl a mixture would be different, like gas and air (a carb engine) But air is air & it cannot be mixed up as it is considered a single component gas because the bonds between N2 & O2 are strong.
The injector is mounted towards the Intake valve. There is a swirling effect of the
The injector is mounted towards the Intake valve. There is a swirling effect of the
greasefingers
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Thanks for not taking my comments in a bad way. Sometimes when I write, and many times I do not read it over and I am not sure if I bashed someone, with my choice of words that I use. It is not my intension to ever put someone down. Maybe a product but never someone
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