Compare The Tires

[Lexington]

I was surfing YouTube and came across this channel called Compare The Tire. Very well made videos. It does a lot of comparison video as well as individual tire testing. The best part is it shows you how the tires are made on the inside which the vast majority of videos don’t show you.

I feel they do a very good job in explaining the strength and weaknesses of each tire.

Here are a few.

KO2 vs Cooper Discover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3kyZC9worQ&feature=youtu.be

KO2 vs Nitto Grappler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4OLyi7hvhw&feature=youtu.be

Fallen Wildpeaks vs General Grabbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNSmmFhy0ZQ&feature=youtu.be

 

[Xtremluck]

I was surfing YouTube and came across this channel called Compare The Tire. Very well made videos. It does a lot of comparison video as well as individual tire testing. The best part is it shows you how the tires are made on the inside which the vast majority of videos don’t show you.

I feel they do a very good job in explaining the strength and weaknesses of each tire.

Here are a few.

KO2 vs Cooper Discover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3kyZC9worQ&feature=youtu.be

KO2 vs Nitto Grappler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4OLyi7hvhw&feature=youtu.be

Fallen Wildpeaks vs General Grabbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNSmmFhy0ZQ&feature=youtu.be

No offense but I would say the opposite. He reads the tire brochures and gives his "expert" commentary. His offroad assessment of KO2s and RGs is laughable.

 

[Lexington]

No offense but I would say the opposite. He reads the tire brochures and gives his "expert" commentary. His offroad assessment of KO2s and RGs is laughable.

What is your assessments of those tires are then?

 

[T4R_Canuck]

No offense but I would say the opposite. He reads the tire brochures and gives his "expert" commentary. His offroad assessment of KO2s and RGs is laughable.

I'm going to agree with this comment. I have a very hard time taking tire advice from a person who's never driven a vehicle with any of the tires he's reviewing. He also seems to be quite biased towards KO2s, even though both the Wildpeaks and Ridge Grapplers are superior tires in nearly every way.

 

[Xtremluck]

What is your assessments of those tires are then?

Ridge Grapplers are great for show trucks and are quiet on the the highway. They aren’t durable enough for heavy off-road use and have no advantages over KO2s for off-road traction. They are borderline dangerous with deep wet snow too.

There is a reason KO2s are so popular, it’s because they work. Not saying they are the best off-road though but at least they have a strong carcass on e load rated versions.


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[Pedro367]

Ridge Grapplers are great for show trucks and are quiet on the the highway. They aren’t durable enough for heavy off-road use and have no advantages over KO2s for off-road traction. They are borderline dangerous with deep wet snow too.

There is a reason KO2s are so popular, it’s because they work. Not saying they are the best off-road though but at least they have a strong carcass on e load rated versions.


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Curious where you are basing that Ridge Grappler durability idea off of. I've seen a lot of Ridge Grapplers on the trail and wheeled hard. Multiple friends have them and swear by them and I can't remember any of them having flats or anything. They are pretty popular. Id put them on the same level as KO2s. I'd rather have a KO2 because I just have more personal experience with them and like them, but I would have no reservations with running a Ridge.

Just curious as to what you've seen. I think the Nitto "show truck" brand that they once were is long gone, personally.

 

[honda250xtitan]

Curious where you are basing that Ridge Grappler durability idea off of. I've seen a lot of Ridge Grapplers on the trail and wheeled hard. Multiple friends have them and swear by them and I can't remember any of them having flats or anything. They are pretty popular. Id put them on the same level as KO2s. I'd rather have a KO2 because I just have more personal experience with them and like them, but I would have no reservations with running a Ridge.

Just curious as to what you've seen. I think the Nitto "show truck" brand that they once were is long gone, personally.

i ran RG's on my f250. sh1t tire. IMHO lol

 

[DAW89446]

I’m not a big fan of YT “experts”. The vast majority of search return videos I’ve seen when I’m looking for information are immature, amateur, and just plain annoying.

 

[Xtremluck]

Curious where you are basing that Ridge Grappler durability idea off of. I've seen a lot of Ridge Grapplers on the trail and wheeled hard.

Just curious as to what you've seen. I think the Nitto "show truck" brand that they once were is long gone, personally.

Tell them to wheel harder ;P I’m basing my opinion on direct experience using RGs for two years in variable conditions.

Here they are clogged with mud 100 miles from pavement when we were traversing the dead zone in the Baja Peninsula. They fared no better than any normal AT in mud and it took me a couple of hours to get out of this.

Here they are being sliced open on a mildly rocky trail in Northern California 3 of the 4 tires had sidewall gashes. This one had a failed sidewall , was running 20 psi.

Here they are failing me with lateral snow traction up on a shelf road in the backcountry of Washington State. This was the last straw for me.

So yeah I’ve used them and won’t be running them again.


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[honda250xtitan]

Tell them to wheel harder ;P I’m basing my opinion on direct experience using RGs for two years in variable conditions.

Here they are clogged with mud 100 miles from pavement when we were traversing the dead zone in the Baja Peninsula. They fared no better than any normal AT in mud and it took me a couple of hours to get out of this.


So yeah I’ve used them and won’t be running them again.


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ya know, they have a paved that goes along that area ya noob! last time we were down that way, i saw the tracks leading off to that area....HARD PASS lol

 

[Pedro367]

Tell them to wheel harder ;P I’m basing my opinion on direct experience using RGs for two years in variable conditions.


So yeah I’ve used them and won’t be running them again.


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Nice work!

 

[Lexington]

Tell them to wheel harder ;P I’m basing my opinion on direct experience using RGs for two years in variable conditions.

Here they are clogged with mud 100 miles from pavement when we were traversing the dead zone in the Baja Peninsula. They fared no better than any normal AT in mud and it took me a couple of hours to get out of this.

Here they are being sliced open on a mildly rocky trail in Northern California 3 of the 4 tires had sidewall gashes. This one had a failed sidewall , was running 20 psi.

Here they are failing me with lateral snow traction up on a shelf road in the backcountry of Washington State. This was the last straw for me.

So yeah I’ve used them and won’t be running them again.


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Thanks for the great feedback. I agree with you that the KO2 are much better. I had a set of Grapplers on my 4Runner and had problems with them slipping in the rain. I replaced them with KO2. Been happy ever since.

As far as the videos goes, they have their flaws but I do like that they show how the tires are built on the inside. Very few tire video show this and I think it’s helpful when trying to decide on a new tire.

 

[Xtremluck]

Thanks for the great feedback. I agree with you that the KO2 are much better. I had a set of Grapplers on my 4Runner and had problems with them slipping in the rain. I replaced them with KO2. Been happy ever since.

As far as the videos goes, they have their flaws but I do like that they show how the tires are built on the inside. Very few tire video show this and I think it’s helpful when trying to decide on a new tire.

Not saying KO2s are great either btw. I regret buying them but they are certainly better than Ridge Grapplers for off-road use. My favorite do it all tire still remains the Cooper ST Maxx


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[mrblah]

As long as people have reasonable expectations on how AT's should perform, they all do pretty well (Toyo, Falken, BFG). Some perform better in some environments than others, and there are definitely some compromises that need to be made when choosing tires.

I like Ko'2 in E load for the following reason:
1. the carcass is extremely durable (E load).
2. they are long lasting.
3. relatively quiet through their life (end of life, or year 6 it gets a bit louder, still quieter than my current MT).
4. severe weather rating.
5. lightweight (although BFG kinda cheats by making their tires smaller than advertised).

I also like Toyo's RT's, but i cant get over the weight of them. They are pretty much bombproof.

No experience with RG's. Most of my buddies run Toyo's, BFG, and falkens so i can only speak for those.

 

[comtn4x4]

The videos are pretty and very well produced.... after that they seem like dueling ads for the tires rather than an objective review.

Not to jump on the bandwagon... Ridge Grapplers really are awful tires other than in the looks category. My experience was the tread chunked out very easily, sidewalls were weak, weren't good in the rocky terrain I tend to wheel in (CO, AZ, NM, UT), lousy is wet conditions, frightening in snow and ice, and they didn't last long (I guess that was actually a good thing in hind sight)
I'm not a KO2 fan either but certainly they were better than the RG's. So far the best tires I've run are either the ST Maxx or At3/w. I'm only about half way through my At3/w's anticipated life but they are a surprisingly durable tire and they are excellent in wet/ice/snow.

 

[TRD PANTHER]

So far the best tires I've run are either the ST Maxx or At3/w. I'm only about half way through my At3/w's anticipated life but they are a surprisingly durable tire and they are excellent in wet/ice/snow.

I have 285/70’s AT3W’s in a SL rating and they have been good all around and very good off road. The ride and weight(50#’s)is good. I think they’re built more like a C load tire.
I’m thinking about stepping up to a 295/70-17, and not to high jack this thread, but does anyone make this size in a C load? Can’t find any. There are a couple C load rated 285/75-17’s. But I would like to stay close to a 33.

 

[DAW89446]

I’ve been running BFG All Terrain T/As for three decades on various 4x4 trucks. Currently running OEM size load range E’s on my ‘18 as well as my previous ‘02 Tacoma TRD. They work for me and have never failed me. I don’t off road as much as I used to, but still live where dirt roads outnumber paved ones with significant snow in winter.

I’m sure that technology has advanced and there is a dizzying amount of choices out there, but tires are too expensive and require commitment for the life of the tire. If they suck, I’m stuck with them for several years. I live in an isolated, rural area of widely spaced small towns, but my small town tire dealer can get me BFGs for nearly the same price as Discount Tire. So I stick with what works for me.

 

[coltm4]

I like new KO2's. Wet performance once they are below 50% is downright scary.

Thoughts on alternative tires that are not Nittos? I was thinking of discount tire exclusive Goodyear Wrangler Ultraterrains. Thoughts?

 

[johnnygraphic]

I like new KO2's. Wet performance once they are below 50% is downright scary.

Thoughts on alternative tires that are not Nittos? I was thinking of discount tire exclusive Goodyear Wrangler Ultraterrains. Thoughts?

Look into Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws. I had the SL on my 2000 4Runner and now have the LT E rated tires on my 2021. Couldn't be happier. Spent a week in Death Valley going over some sharp rocks, smaller boulders, mud, rain, snow and ice (a little sliding, but to be expected) and no issues to speak of.

 

[N2TRKYS]

68,000 on my current set of BFG ATs on my 4Runner and no wet weather concerns. No big surprise to me, though. I’ve been using BFG ATs since the 90s on various types of vehicles with no wet weather issues.