Conceal Carry
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I am from Hixson. Went to Notre Dame, graduated from Hixson High School. Was just down there last weekend.
We may well know each other.
Absolutely. People have the right to defend themselves. But understand that micro and macro arguments are two different things.
I'm NOT convinced that loose gun laws are crime deterrents. Texas has one of the most lax laws in the country...yet the have one of the highest violent crime rates in the country....even higher then NY.
I do understand the NEED for places like Montana where the closest law officer could be 4 hours away. You need to to defend yourself. I don't begrudge any law abiding citizen from owning a gun. The problem I have with guns (especially in city settings) is the innocent by standards who've been killed by errant gun fire.
I do understand the NEED for places like Montana where the closest law officer could be 4 hours away. You need to to defend yourself. I don't begrudge any law abiding citizen from owning a gun. The problem I have with guns (especially in city settings) is the innocent by standards who've been killed by errant gun fire.
Glock_19
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I don't think you can carry (on your person or in your car) in DC. I live in Arlington and commute to DC everyday and I wish I could at least just leave it in my glove box.
Thai
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DC, when did i say that crime rate is up? I just wrote that crime is no longer isolated to rundown places and in dark alleys. I can tell you of stories around my neck of the woods about break-in in high end custom home divisions. I take precautions to avoid such. YMMV.
Of course, anyone on the internet can be whatever they want, right DC? :flipoff:
And when you get off your liberal rant, check out this thread: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-topic/94090-when-911-doesnt-always-come-time.html
A few postings:
"Gun Ownership Rises to All-Time High,
Violent Crime Falls to 35-Year Low
Coinciding with a surge in gun purchases that began shortly before the 2008 elections, violent crime decreased six percent between 2008 and 2009, including an eight percent decrease in murder and a nine percent decrease in robbery. Since 1991, when violent crime peaked, it has decreased 43 percent to a 35-year low. Murder has fallen 49 percent to a 45-year low. At the same time, the number of guns that Americans own has risen by about 90 million. Predictions by gun control supporters, that increasing the number of guns, particularly handguns and so-called “assault weapons,” would cause crime to increase, have been proven profoundly lacking in clairvoyance."
"The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states."
"...yet the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States." A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation between access to guns and crime."
READ THE LAST PAGE OF THE THREAD.
Thanks.
Thai
Elite Member
Katrina can happen anytime...and Katrina proved that a society like ours can go to sh!t anytime. Before Katrina, people use to laugh at 3rd world nations and think that our society is just too good to stoop that low. Katrina proved us wrong. Look at the riots that are happening NOW in the streets.
Trust me, i am not a police officer. I don't plan on going around enforcing the law. BUT, i own/carry firearms to protect me and my family against harm. I am no superhero.
Red
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So i'm trying to figure out some of the different laws between the U.S. and Canada.
Do you guys have to take a safetly course to get a license to own a gun? Do you guys have to register any guns that you own?
The only non-restricted firearms we can have in Canada without a special licence on top of basic Possession and Acquisition License (which is required for all guns I think) is basic rifles and shotguns that didn't make it onto the restricted or prohibited list. Essentially guns used for hunting.
All hanguns are either restricted or prohibited and it is almost impossible to get a license to carry them I think, only a couple people have ever gotten that license.
Do you guys have to take a safetly course to get a license to own a gun? Do you guys have to register any guns that you own?
The only non-restricted firearms we can have in Canada without a special licence on top of basic Possession and Acquisition License (which is required for all guns I think) is basic rifles and shotguns that didn't make it onto the restricted or prohibited list. Essentially guns used for hunting.
All hanguns are either restricted or prohibited and it is almost impossible to get a license to carry them I think, only a couple people have ever gotten that license.
Thai
Elite Member
In Texas, to get conceal handgun license:
1. Class Part 1: full 12 hours of gun ownership lesson and test taken afterwards
2. Class Part 2: after 12 hours, you then go to a gun range and have to shoot your gun and score a minimum on the point system to pass
3. Wait 3-6 months (if not longer) while your background and everything gets checked out at both state AND federal levels.
Thai
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"Gun control advocates argue that the police are there to protect us from criminals and the military from invaders. But in 1992, the National Guard and police refused to engage hoodlums during the Los Angeles riots, effectively abandoning people to their fate. Nevertheless many Korean merchants successfully used firearms with high-capacity magazines, which Congress has since banned, to fend off rioters. Their stores still stood after the riots."
"Texas is a good example. In the early 1990s, Texas’s serious crime rate was 38 percent above the national average. Since then, serious crime in Texas has dropped 50 percent faster than for the nation as a whole. All this happened after passage of a concealed-carry law in 1994."
"Texas is a good example. In the early 1990s, Texas’s serious crime rate was 38 percent above the national average. Since then, serious crime in Texas has dropped 50 percent faster than for the nation as a whole. All this happened after passage of a concealed-carry law in 1994."
Thai
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That's interesting DC...you post your "background" as if we supposed to believe it. Fine. You have "seen" the real raw data...yet have not posted them. You criticize my data as being bias...yet post nothing to dispute them except "trusting" your words. :keyboard:
oops, DC deleted his post. NEVERMIND.
oops, DC deleted his post. NEVERMIND.
STOP!
Did you even read my comment? No one is saying take your guns away you hick.
AHHHHH.
Ok. I won't try. All I will say is this. You are killing the GOP. You and Rick Perry and everyone else to f'ing stupid to think about options.
You think calling someone a "liberal" gives your argument power, when all it does is signal to everyone that you haven't an original thought in your head.
Your argument about Katrina is laughable. KEEP YOU GUN. No one has suggested you give it up. The point, which you seem to have missed, is that effective police force keep and manage crime.
Not eliminate. I get it. Keep your gun for the zombies you are planning for. I get it.
Katrina happens all the time. Want to know what solves it, the entrenchment of police forces. Tell you what, cowboy, go on over the Somalia and see if owning a gun solves anything.
In Katrina. In The L.A. Riots. In Earthquakes. After major civic disruptions, know what re-installs piece and order? It isn't crazy hicks. It is civic order returning.
Did you even read my comment? No one is saying take your guns away you hick.
AHHHHH.
Ok. I won't try. All I will say is this. You are killing the GOP. You and Rick Perry and everyone else to f'ing stupid to think about options.
You think calling someone a "liberal" gives your argument power, when all it does is signal to everyone that you haven't an original thought in your head.
Your argument about Katrina is laughable. KEEP YOU GUN. No one has suggested you give it up. The point, which you seem to have missed, is that effective police force keep and manage crime.
Not eliminate. I get it. Keep your gun for the zombies you are planning for. I get it.
Katrina happens all the time. Want to know what solves it, the entrenchment of police forces. Tell you what, cowboy, go on over the Somalia and see if owning a gun solves anything.
In Katrina. In The L.A. Riots. In Earthquakes. After major civic disruptions, know what re-installs piece and order? It isn't crazy hicks. It is civic order returning.
You want data. You are welcome to look at it. Usually it isn't as neat and pretty as people want.
So. Do what I do. All the info is widely available.
Wander over to the FBI/ Census and pull stats. Then, do a multivariate analysis.
For example. When you look at crime data from 1980 to now, you see several things. A peak in crime, per capita in roughly the mid-80's and then a sharp decline.
Now. Do you understand the difference between a correlation and causal relationship? This is vital to understanding how data interacts.
Well, when you look at crime stats you see several things.
Causal relationships: We have seen that these key things seem to impact crime
1. Density of population
2. Economic factors
3. Police Force
Non-Causal :
Relationships that fail to show a cause and effect
1. Demographics - Race makeup (contrary to popular mythology)
2. Gun Ownership
Thai
Elite Member
Bigger question...did you read my comments? Or better yet, did you read what this thread is about???? It is NOT about crime rate...it is about conceal carry to protect oneself and where to do so while in a car. Sure, i got sucked in by your nonesense. AHHHHHHH. See, i can do that too.
So, with all this smack talk from you, all you can come up with is for me to find the data myself?????? Geez, arguments like yours are real easy! :flipoff: Geez, don't you have access to these data on a daily basis with your "job"?? Why are you directing me to some other site? Post your data here in PDF format.
Where's the beef man?
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Thai
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No, it is because local store ran out of TVs to steal!
Actually, this asian redneck prefer Cain over Perry...so, take that back to your stat analysis!
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Thai
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On Thursday, May 27, 1999, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, addressed a subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee. He pointed out that the first recorded act of violence occurred when Cain slew his brother Abel:
“The villain was not the club he used. Neither was it the ... the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain’s heart.”
He went on to say,
“In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA [National Rifle Association]. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA because I don’t believe that they are responsible for my daughter’s death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended.”
He added,
“When something as terrible as Columbine’s tragedy occurs, politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan [perpetrators of the Columbine massacre] would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre.... Political posturing and restrictive legislation are not the answers.”
“The villain was not the club he used. Neither was it the ... the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain’s heart.”
He went on to say,
“In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA [National Rifle Association]. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA because I don’t believe that they are responsible for my daughter’s death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended.”
He added,
“When something as terrible as Columbine’s tragedy occurs, politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan [perpetrators of the Columbine massacre] would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre.... Political posturing and restrictive legislation are not the answers.”
DC, are syaing that gun owners are "Crazy Hicks" or "Cowboys"? Or just people from Texas are Hicks and Cowboys? Even though I live in Georgia, I am from Detroit (Ann Arbor actually) and am far from a southern boy but I like guns. I dont obsess over them but I find them fun to shoot, hell my favorite is my 10/22 and 22/45 from Ruger, super cheap to shoot and I wont go deaf shooting them.
