Consumer Reports: Prius vs. Leaf vs. Volt

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February 28, 2011 (WPVI) -- Electric vehicles are being touted as the car of the future. The Nissan Leaf has just arrived in showrooms. And the Volt went on sale a few months ago.

At the Consumer Reports Auto Test Center, testers have checked out the Volt, which has a backup gasoline engine, and the Nissan Leaf, which is 100 percent electric.

Range (how far an electric vehicle can go on a charge) is a big issue. Testers have found that cold weather is a problem. The Nissan Leaf can go about 100 miles on a charge in ideal conditions. But in Consumer Reports' experience, driving in cold weather can easily shorten that to about 65 miles.

The Chevrolet Volt, in low temperatures, has trouble fully heating the car. It can go anywhere from 25 to 50 miles before the gasoline engine kicks in, which can take the car up to 300 miles. But the added gasoline engine makes the Volt expensive, and on long drives you may use more fuel than you would in a conventional hybrid such as the Prius.

As for recharge time, the Volt takes about 4 to 5 hours using a 220-volt charger installed in your home. The Nissan Leaf takes about 8 hours on average.

The Leaf is less expensive, costing about $35,000. The Volt is about $45,000. But even with federal and state tax credits, Consumer Reports says that neither is likely to save you money.

Consumer Reports says that electric vehicles have come a long way. But they have a long way to go before they're ready to replace the average person's primary vehicle.

If you're interested in a car that will be kind to the environment and save you money, Consumer Reports recommends the Toyota Prius.

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"A recent study published by Consumer Reports has found that the Volt’s all-electric range averages between 29 and 34 miles. In essence, the Volt is a plug-in hybrid with extended all-electric capabilities- not an EV with a small gas combustion engine backup.

Thus, in order to reap the environmental and cost benefits of the vehicle, drivers must keep the Volt’s battery charged up as much as possible.

“When we (Consumer Reports) did that, and the Volt only used its gas engine occasionally, the car’s on-board computer indicated we were getting six-figure mpg display of 120 mpg or so.” - Consumer Reports.

Although these ideal, somewhat impractical, findings seem favorable, the economics can not be understood without accounting for the regional cost of the refuel electricity.

That raises the question of which other cars give you 33 miles for $2.38. With today’s national average for regular at $2.96, that equates to 41 mpg. That’s comparable to, say, a Honda Civic Hybrid (37 mpg) or Honda Insight (38 mpg). Calculating price parity with the diesel world, using diesel prices at $3.20/gallon, it works out to be 44 mpg. That brings to mind the manual-transmission Volkswagen Golf TDI or Jetta TDI, which deliver 38 and 36 mpg overall, respectively. So in these conditions, the Volt comes out ahead of virtually all fuel sippers except for the Toyota Prius on cost per mile. The Prius yields 44 mpg overall consistently.

The Volt works, but depending on how it is used and where, it may not save you money, especially in the Northeast or California. In those regions especially, the Prius remains a proven, more cost-effective choice for green motoring. It goes without saying that if gasoline prices go up significantly, or if you live in a region where electricity is cheap, then any cost-based energy-use calculation will tip the scales more in the Volt’s favor—but there is no getting around the high purchase price and modest fuel economy if straying beyond the EV range."
 
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If you want to use the absolute least amount of gasoline or diesel, having 2 cars (one for you, one for the wife) is the way to go. Get a Prius (for long trips) and a Leaf (for anything under 70 miles). The Volt tries to be both and doesn't have the electric range of the Leaf or the long distance fuel economy of the Prius.
 
It boggles my mind that people spend $27,000 to $50,000 on a hybrid/electric car when you get buy the all new game changing base model 2011 Hyndai Elentra for $15,000, yes, that's not a type, $15,000 for base model with a friggin' 6-SPEED manual and it gets 29/40mpg and runs on regular gas and it actually looks damn sexy compared to the hybrids. This is going to be my next car. Also, I wouldn't feel comfortable driving an electric car for 15+ years because there would be just way too many electrical parts to break. On my 1997 4Runner I do most of the repairs myself since it's so easy.

Hyundai Elantra: Safe & Stylish Cars – Most Interior Among Small Cars | Hyundai

YouTube - Roadfly.com - 2011 Hyundai Elantra

2011 Hyundai Elantra | New Car Show
 

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Wow....haven't even heard of that until now.

$15K for a decent-looking car that gets 29/40 MPG and has an available 6-speed manual transmission? That is definitely a good alternative to these over-priced hybrids.
 
Wow....haven't even heard of that until now.

$15K for a decent-looking car that gets 29/40 MPG and has an available 6-speed manual transmission? That is definitely a good alternative to these over-priced hybrids.

Totally agree with you. I went to the stealership to test drive one and the guy said they can't keep up with the demand hence there's a waiting list to get one. I don't know why anyone would buy any other economy car/hybrid car over the all new Elentra. :redbrick:
 
It boggles my mind that people spend $27,000 to $50,000 on a hybrid/electric car when you get buy the all new game changing base model 2011 Hyndai Elentra for $15,000, yes, that's not a type, $15,000 for base model with a friggin' 6-SPEED manual and it gets 29/40mpg and runs on regular gas and it actually looks damn sexy compared to the hybrids. This is going to be my next car. Also, I wouldn't feel comfortable driving an electric car for 15+ years because there would be just way too many electrical parts to break. On my 1997 4Runner I do most of the repairs myself since it's so easy.

Hyundai are definitely going up...but, their long-term durability/reliability is still pretty much unknown. Hyundai/Kia just redesigned their whole fleet...so, there is no track record.

Yes, you can get a $15k car and be ahead of a Prius...or buy a Corolla for under $14k. But, the Prius (or Volt) is more than just a cheap car with a hybrid powertrain...that is the Honda Insight! :D The Prius, for example (since i owned one), is actually a very nice midsize sedan with tons of room & practicality, relatively quiet on the highway, and has a pretty good sound system. And if you go higher in the range, then you get stuff that only top luxury cars get. LED headlights are unheard of for anything under $50k outside Lexus. For instance, my Advance Tech Pkg (ATP) has stuff that is only seen in Lexus costing around $48,000 or more! And to get it in a BMW or Audi, you need to spend well over $55-60,000. And my Prius cost me around $35k out the door. And let me tell you, once you use Dynamic Range Cruise Control (DRCC), you won't go back to ordinary cruise control! Beyond the usefulness of ATP, it is also been proven in the Euro market to prevent accidents and injuries. (BTW, this is why the Prius is outselling the Honda Insight by a wide margin despite the Insight costing several thousands less...people in a Prius not only want good gas mileage, but also refinement and features.)

And lastly, before you just focus on the highway mileage, remember that the city mileage on the Hyundai is 29 mpg. Combined is probably around low-30s. My Prius is 51 mpg and 48 mpg, combined 50 mpg. A Volt is even higher. A plug-in Prius (coming next year) is around 75 mpg. Will you still be ahead financially in a Hyundai? Maybe...but, i will still be in a Prius that has all the cool and useful features along with refinement and great mileage. How about resale value b/w the two? I doubt that it will be close.

(Beyond the fuel savings, a hybrid also saves on brake costs, starter/alternator replacement, transmission servicing, etc.. The newer hybrid battery can go well over 200k before needing replacement...and replacement is now around $1800 if you want a new one and price for that is declining every year as hybrids become more mainstream! A used battery is only a few hundred dollars. So, if all i had to do beyond oil changes for 250,000 miles is spend $1800, then i am a happy man!)

Remember the old saying...you get what you pay for....
 
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Totally agree with you. I went to the stealership to test drive one and the guy said they can't keep up with the demand hence there's a waiting list to get one. I don't know why anyone would buy any other economy car/hybrid car over the all new Elentra. :redbrick:

2012 Ford Focus. No comparison IMO. Check out the specs on the Ford Focus. Sure, it may be 1 mpg or so behind the Elantra, but it is a far superior car. If i did not have my prius, the 2012 Focus would be it.

Ultra-high tech 2.0L engine...with DOHC and direct injection. 6-speed dual clutch automated transmission (aka like Audi DSG). Torque-vectoring front differential to decrease understeer. Class-leading MyTouch SYNC electronics. And finally, this may sound strange, but it is a FORD...and at this time, i trust Ford almost as much as i trust Toyota in terms of quality and durability!
 
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Forget the rest of that stuff....a 6-speed manual transmission is available on the Hyundai. That alone makes it more attractive than any of the other vehicles mentioned.

The only hybrid I know of that offers a true manual transmission is the Honda.
 
Forget the rest of that stuff....a 6-speed manual transmission is available on the Hyundai. That alone makes it more attractive than any of the other vehicles mentioned.

The only hybrid I know of that offers a true manual transmission is the Honda.

True, but forget reliability, durability, and resale too?? My priorities are different.

For me, after having owned a sequential manual transmission (BMW M3 SMGII), i can easily give up the 3rd pedal for a SMG tranny! And the newer dual-clutch SMG (as in the Focus) are so much better than my old bimmer's tranny...smoother and ultra-fast shifting! For me, it is like having cake and eating it too! :D
 
2012 Ford Focus. No comparison IMO. Check out the specs on the Ford Focus. Sure, it may be 1 mpg or so behind the Elantra, but it is a far superior car. If i did not have my prius, the 2012 Focus would be it.

Ultra-high tech 2.0L engine...with DOHC and direct injection. 6-speed dual clutch automated transmission (aka like Audi DSG). Torque-vectoring front differential to decrease understeer. Class-leading MyTouch SYNC electronics. And finally, this may sound strange, but it is a FORD...and at this time, i trust Ford almost as much as i trust Toyota in terms of quality and durability!

I don't know, I mean if I had to go Ford I would probably buy the 2012 Focus ST, 4cylinder with 247hp (but it's to the front wheels, not rear or awd). Also, there are no specs on what the ST does 0-60mph, probably 7-8 seconds and there's no price on it yet.

YouTube - 2012 ford focus ST
 

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I don't know, I mean if I had to go Ford I would probably buy the 2012 Focus ST, 4cylinder with 247hp (but it's to the front wheels, not rear or awd). Also, there are no specs on what the ST does 0-60mph, probably 7-8 seconds and there's no price on it yet.

YouTube - 2012 ford focus ST

Damn, you went straight for the top!! :D At 247 hp, i would bet that it can go way faster than 7 seconds...more like 5.5-6.0 seconds to 60 mph. I agree though...too much power to the FWD...but, maybe Ford has a trick suspension or has tuned the torque-vectoring diff to cut out torque steer?? In addition, at that price, you have a lot of competition, such as Mazda3speed, VW GTI, etc..

But, for me, as a daily driver and economical car, i am perfectly ok with the regular Ford Focus. I have had my share of hardcore cars...too much for my needs. I am now very boring! :)

It is amazing that Ford has stuffed so much advance stuff into an economy car! Think about it...Ford has put in top class-leading stuff into a car that is around $20k!! Sequential trannies used to be seen only in exotics. Torque-vectoring diff?! Holy cow! Direct injection? Wow! Ford has done their research and is clearly looking to lead the class by a wide margin!

BTW, this only makes me more piss at Toyota for lagging behind the competition with the Corolla and Yaris!! :mad:
 
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True, but forget reliability, durability, and resale too?? My priorities are different.

For me, after having owned a sequential manual transmission (BMW M3 SMGII), i can easily give up the 3rd pedal for a SMG tranny! And the newer dual-clutch SMG (as in the Focus) are so much better than my old bimmer's tranny...smoother and ultra-fast shifting! For me, it is like having cake and eating it too! :D

Yes, the other stuff you mentioned is important too, but I love owning/driving manual transmission cars, so a big priority for me is to have a clutch pedal. Unfortunately, they seem to be disappear more and more on new cars.
 
The Consumer Reports guide on car buying rated the Prius as the cheapest to operate per mile at 6-7 cents. The Leaf was a bit higher and the Volt was the highest.

The Elantra got Lexus LS exhaust tips. ;):
 
Is it me or are Hyundai cars, esp. the mid grade and lower, are just too overstyled! I like the conservative shape of the Genesis and Equus...but maybe i am just getting old!
 
Is it me or are Hyundai cars, esp. the mid grade and lower, are just too overstyled! I like the conservative shape of the Genesis and Equus...but maybe i am just getting old!

Yes, they may be a little over the top when it comes to their styling, but that's still better than something like the Toyota Corolla's total blandness. They do seem to be making the new Corollas look like a 7/8 (or maybe 3/4) scale Camry. Still though, it's bland and boring to my eyes.
 
Toyota's styling is vanilla. Vanilla is the best selling flavor ice cream.

Nice!!

For me, Toyota styling is conservative, but it fits my style. My biggest complaint is that Toyota is falling behind others in technology and features, most glaring of which is the economy car class.
 
Here is a post last evening on Priuschat about Pre-Collision System (PCS) on my Prius (as part of Advance Tech Pkg):

"Yes, just last Friday, it saved me from serious injuries. I was driving about 30 miles/hour in a major street in DC under day light. There was no traffic lights, stop sign, nor other cars in front of me. But all of a sudden, a van making illegal left turn (or U-turn) appeared in front of my nose from my left. The next thing I knew was the flashing warning light, tightend belt, and "Ban", I hit directly into the van's passenger door. Two of the airbags exploded (one on the steering wheel, other under my knees). My car suffered substantial damage in front and not drivable. Fortunately no one was injured in this accident. The van driver got a ticket from police, who happen to be there.

I was very lucky indeed to have the PCS. I did not even touch the airbags, just saw one exploded on the steering wheel a foot from my face. I am sure if the belt did not tighten, my body would lean forward to hit the airbag. It could harm my face as many people reported. As I said, I did not have time to react to the van, so I did not conciously hit the brakes. But the PCS might have applied brakes for me. I couldn't verify it. However, I guess the damages to the front end of the care would have been greater if there was no braking at all.

The other driver's insurance is going to pay for the damage. But I am very sad for my one-year old Prius V."
 
It boggles my mind that people spend $27,000 to $50,000 on a hybrid/electric car when you get buy the all new game changing base model 2011 Hyndai Elentra for $15,000, yes, that's not a type, $15,000 for base model with a friggin' 6-SPEED manual and it gets 29/40mpg and runs on regular gas and it actually looks damn sexy compared to the hybrids.

Hyundai are definitely going up...but, their long-term durability/reliability is still pretty much unknown. Hyundai/Kia just redesigned their whole fleet...so, there is no track record.

Remember the old saying...you get what you pay for....

Like i wrote above, Hyundai and Kia vehicles have all been redesigned (for the most part)...so, their long term reliability/durability is a BIG question mark. Examples:

2011 Kia Sorento Investigated by Feds for Possible Transmission Failure

Feds Look Into Possible Steering Defect on 2010 Kia Soul

2011 Kia Sorento, 2010 Kia Soul Recalled for Possible Fire Hazard

http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/s...a-recalled-for-defective-steering-column.html

http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/sonata/2011/2011-hyundai-sonata-to-be-recalled.html

My last sentence in above quote says it all.... :nono:
 
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