CR picks Jeep over 4R

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I'd post something clever if I gave a fat rat's azz what CR thinks.

Now blenders, that's another story ....
 
I simply don't think we need to get all up in arms over this but it would be interesting to actually drive those vehicles ourselves and see what our opinions would be but I think most of us would be a bit biased too.
 
RonMAIDEN said:
I simply don't think we need to get all up in arms over this but it would be interesting to actually drive those vehicles ourselves and see what our opinions would be but I think most of us would be a bit biased too.
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I've driven both, at length, off-road and on, and the Jeep just feels like many other SUVs out there. Interior is OK, looks flashy and upscale, but I actually prefer the utilitarian nature of the 4R for some reason (and I like luxury.)

Not oodles of room in the Jeep either. Felt cramped to me. 4R still the better buy, imo.
 
Both vehicles have their pros and cons, but I will continue to be a faithful 4Runner owner until I am proven otherwise. This is my 4th T4R, and I have taken all three previous vehicles over 125K miles without any major mechanical issues (knocking on wood as I type this). In addition, the resale value of my 3 previous T4R's is unmatched with the mileage I put on them. The bottom line is, no matter what the review says, if I'm buying a mid-size SUV (and I'm not talking about these cross-overs that people still call SUVs), I'm buying a T4R until someone else can match the quality and overall satisfaction that these vehicles consistently deliver.
 
3x4runnerOwner said:
Both vehicles have their pros and cons, but I will continue to be a faithful 4Runner owner until I am proven otherwise. This is my 4th T4R, and I have taken all three previous vehicles over 125K miles without any major mechanical issues (knocking on wood as I type this). In addition, the resale value of my 3 previous T4R's is unmatched with the mileage I put on them. The bottom line is, no matter what the review says, if I'm buying a mid-size SUV (and I'm not talking about these cross-overs that people still call SUVs), I'm buying a T4R until someone else can match the quality and overall satisfaction that these vehicles consistently deliver.
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:bravo::bravo:

I bought my 4Runner with the expectation of seeing it in my garage, at the trailhead, and up a mountain road for 10+ years. That means it doesn't become a throw away, secondary vehicle after 6 years. It needs to reliably get me to my adventure spots for 10+ years. JGCs are generally nice, but it isn't a coincidence that you don't see late 90s models around anymore. I see 2nd and 3rd Gen T4Rs all over the place being used as daily drivers.
 
Quentin said:
:bravo::bravo:

I bought my 4Runner with the expectation of seeing it in my garage, at the trailhead, and up a mountain road for 10+ years. That means it doesn't become a throw away, secondary vehicle after 6 years. It needs to reliably get me to my adventure spots for 10+ years. JGCs are generally nice, but it isn't a coincidence that you don't see late 90s models around anymore. I see 2nd and 3rd Gen T4Rs all over the place being used as daily drivers.
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Exactly. The only 90s JGC I've seen lately have been on the backs of flatbeds being cashed in as clunkers (we still have the program in Canada) and yet old 4Rs are like ancient elk — every now and again you see one darting around the bush.
 
Don't get me wrong, I think the new JGC is a really nice ride and a vast improvement over the old one. The exterior is really sharp and classy looking, IMO. The thing is that JGCs always start out nice and then go straight to hell within a few years. My best friend in high school had a 2 year old 5.9L JGC Limited. Within a few years, interior parts were breaking off and it was having all sorts of electrical issues. If I only wanted it for a short period of time, I'd consider the JGC. For the long haul, the 4Runner feels like it will be the smart choice.

I don't quite get the complaints people have with the interior of the T4R. Everyone that has been in my premium SR5 has been impressed with the interior. The leather steering wheel is great. The console and handles are painted very nicely (not just molded plastic). The only really cheap place is the part of the instrument panel that has the glove compartment.
 
quentin said:
i don't quite get the complaints people have with the interior of the t4r. Everyone that has been in my premium sr5 has been impressed with the interior. The leather steering wheel is great. The console and handles are painted very nicely (not just molded plastic). The only really cheap place is the part of the instrument panel that has the glove compartment.
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qft!

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skel said:
So the 5th Gen T4R has been out for a year more than the new JGC and I think I see at least a 10:1 ratio JGC to T4R on the road. What gives? Those things are selling like crazy! I see A LOT of 4th Gens though. Maybe it just takes time to catch up. Anyways I'm fine with it--I like not seeing any 5th Gens in my area! I suppose if I looked up sales reports this would be validated historically and perhaps should be expected.
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I saw my first 2 JGCs on the road yesterday. I saw at least 4 5th gen T4Rs in the same period.
 
skel said:
So the 5th Gen T4R has been out for a year more than the new JGC and I think I see at least a 10:1 ratio JGC to T4R on the road. What gives? Those things are selling like crazy! I see A LOT of 4th Gens though. Maybe it just takes time to catch up. Anyways I'm fine with it--I like not seeing any 5th Gens in my area! I suppose if I looked up sales reports this would be validated historically and perhaps should be expected.
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I see lots of 5th Gens in the area, but very few Trail Editions.

I see a ton of Jeep Grand Cherokees, though... sitting on the dealer's lot looking like minivans.:trophy:
 
Every thing these days is supposed to ride like a car, be low like a car, be soft and cushy like a car, and get as good or better MPG's like a car. If any vehicle falls short of that list they get bad reviews. To me, I hate the way cars drive and feel. Oh yeah, we are all supposed to have paved roads and driveways too. I was suprised to hear that the base JGC didn't have a low range and skid plates. No suprise that the dash was already falling apart.
 
I am beginning to see many of the new Jeeps around. Last week I was waiting to make a left turn at an intersection. A new Cherokee was approaching to make a right. I saw his signal flashing, and at the same time one of his headlights was erratically flickering. Looks like the same old Jeep product to me.
 
At the end of the day the only reviews that really matter are those done by 4wheeler magazine and others of the same type. body on frame sport utes have their place and appeal to a certain demographic. I love my 94 Disco with solid front a rear axels and I will be trading it in for a new 4runner. I have driven everything out there that is similar in class and I have to say that I keep coming back to t4r because I am confident that I will get 125k miles out of it with few problems.

Jeeps have always had problems. Look at CR of the reliability portion and 4runner is perfect for the last 10 years. There is no other body on frame sport ute that can say that. Jeep has never had that. The JGC will fall apart in a few years. Jeep has great ideas but can't seem to make them last. If the 4dr Wrangler would last like a 4runner I would guess that many of us would be in line to buy one. The reality is that is not the case. Who wants to spend that kind of money only to have the thing fall apart in 3 or 4 years or worry about taking it offroad and getting stranded. NO THANKS
 
Quentin said:
:bravo::bravo:

I bought my 4Runner with the expectation of seeing it in my garage, at the trailhead, and up a mountain road for 10+ years. That means it doesn't become a throw away, secondary vehicle after 6 years. It needs to reliably get me to my adventure spots for 10+ years. JGCs are generally nice, but it isn't a coincidence that you don't see late 90s models around anymore. I see 2nd and 3rd Gen T4Rs all over the place being used as daily drivers.
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+1 Well done!
 
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