Damn it, Toyota!
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Thai
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The current Sequoia makes my LC look like a Vietcong dungeon! You can really appreciate the room. I am sure that the next sequoia will be amazing because it has to go head to head with the Ford Expedition and Chevy Tahoe. No easy feat to beat those American giants.
LOL! Interesting tidbit- my wife's father and grandfather fought against the Viet Cong and had to leave Vietnam with the GIs. They never talked about it at all.
Yeah, the Expedition is phenomenal in many ways- quiet, powerful, super comfy, lots of tech. I hear the new Tahoe/Suburban are excellent now too. The current Sequoia is practically crappy compared to those. I'm looking forward to the new one. That may well be our next vehicle now that I have a toddler and we go to the mountains almost every weekend.
Yeah, the Expedition is phenomenal in many ways- quiet, powerful, super comfy, lots of tech. I hear the new Tahoe/Suburban are excellent now too. The current Sequoia is practically crappy compared to those. I'm looking forward to the new one. That may well be our next vehicle now that I have a toddler and we go to the mountains almost every weekend.
Thai
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Toyota NZ says the new model will offer a wading depth of 700mm, ground clearance of 235mm, an approach angle of 32 degrees and a departure angle of 25 degrees.
The GR Sport model is also fitted with Electronic Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System, Adaptive Variable Suspension, four Drive Modes (Sport S, Sport S+, Comfort and Customise), and is fitted with lockable front and rear differentials.
All LC300 models will ride on Dunlop Grand Trek AT30 rubber - from the same family as the tyres fitted to the LC200 - with the VX and GR Sport trims getting 18-inch wheels, and the top-spec VX Limited getting 20-inch wheels.
For towing, Toyota NZ says the LC300 will "tow a 3500kg braked trailer load with ease".
There are some big changes inside, too, with the LC300 family now fitted with a Head-Up Display, and a massive 12.3-inch touchscreen equipped with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
Translation:
235 mm = 9.25 in.
700 mm = 27.5 in.
3500 kg = 7716 lbs.
The GR Sport model is also fitted with Electronic Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System, Adaptive Variable Suspension, four Drive Modes (Sport S, Sport S+, Comfort and Customise), and is fitted with lockable front and rear differentials.
All LC300 models will ride on Dunlop Grand Trek AT30 rubber - from the same family as the tyres fitted to the LC200 - with the VX and GR Sport trims getting 18-inch wheels, and the top-spec VX Limited getting 20-inch wheels.
For towing, Toyota NZ says the LC300 will "tow a 3500kg braked trailer load with ease".
There are some big changes inside, too, with the LC300 family now fitted with a Head-Up Display, and a massive 12.3-inch touchscreen equipped with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
Translation:
235 mm = 9.25 in.
700 mm = 27.5 in.
3500 kg = 7716 lbs.
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Jetboy
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22 seems high. But it's probably inline with what other vehicles of similar size are getting. If the TTv6 is really efficient, I think it's at least plausible. All the rumors suggest that the new Tundra will be mid 20's mpg or higher with the hybrid. 20+ highway MPG would be good enough for me even if it's only 15 in city cycle. Most of my miles are highway.
Supposedly a toyota exec said the hybrid is not the TTV6. So I really have no idea what it'll be. I still expect it to be the TTV6 with another 100-150hp and 150-200tq and I think someone misquoted a toyota press release or something like that. I have a hard time imagining a NA3.5, even with a Prime style hybrid having enough power to really work well.
Jetboy
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It really does feel more like a major refresh than a new generation to me. It looks about the same. Is nearly identical in size. Has very similar suspension and overall chassis setup. Would have been really nice to see the keep the same overall dimensions by stretch the wheel base out to around 116" to push the tires forward/aft and improve the approach/departure angles.
Locking diffs are a great addition. I agree, probably not going to be very useful in the Lexus version. Hopefully at least the front is just a bolt in swap with the LC200. Rear is at least a little different axle housing (you can see they moved the drain plug to the other side), but could still be a swappable diff. And it's a 6 lug now. So the outer axles will be different on the rear at least.
Cool part about the 6 lug for the 4R folks is that it's now a super easy rear swap and can be ordered with an E-locker. Gearing is unknown as far as I can tell, but I'd expect OEM gears to be around 3.3 since it has the 10AT. So that's not very compatible unless the normal 9.5 gear sets fit.
Thai
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The problem with stretching wheelbase is breakover angle will be worst, which can be just as bad. I think that LC200 breakover is 24 degrees, which is already very good. I still think that the best way is to clean up the front and rear bumpers, like Defender and G-wagen…and since those two can do it (and still achieve crash test worthiness), then Toyota can do it too! Cleaner bumpers would have been more useful than lockers (at least for my needs) since CRAWL has been great for my off-roading.
I agree with you 100% that this is more a refresher than a ground up redesign.
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AgentKooper
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Pretty uninspiring design aesthetically, IMHO.
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Deuxdiesel
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Price guesses? I'm thinking just under $90K.
Thai
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Considering that a friend of mine called my LC200 a Highlander…i agree that Toyota could have done SO MUCH better with the design with the LC300! Look at all the inspiring designs out there…heck, the Hyundai Palisade makes my LC200 look like it was designed in the 80s.
I get it…Toyota is conservative company. But damn it, LC300 just looks bland (like LC200). Somehow, for me (maybe my bias), the LC300 does not look proportional from some angles (at least in pics). I know that the dimensions are same as LC200 but maybe the design features (borrow from GX?) make it look kinda tall and narrow. And the C-pillar just looks off for me.
Thai
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IF it does make it to USA, it will be Lexus LX300…and i doubt that thing will cost under $100k. Current LC200 runs around $85k - 88k…LX runs $95-105K. The new LC300 has all the luxury and features of LC200 PLUS axle lockers and newer techs (more advance materials, safety features, and interior tech). The only hope is that by sharing platform with Tundra and Sequoia, then maybe the price will be kept same as current LX??
My guesses: (given same inflation as now)
LC300 (if Toyota brings it over) = $88k
LX300 = $100-105K
fourfive
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I like the look of the LC300 more than the LC200 but think the front & back end could have been designed to look a little better. Maybe trim a little off the rear bumper so it doesn't look as chunky & hang down as low. I'm glad they didn't give the front end that weird predator mouth but wished they gave it a more traditional looking front bumper & grill similar to the 2014-2021 Tundra.
Speaking of 2014-2021 Tundra front ends, one of my favorite designs I've seen someone do on tundras.com was making an xl sequoia with a tundra front end. Just wished sequoias still had solid rear axles. If they did I would probably get one and do the conversion myself but other problem is, to my knowledge, there are no, no sunroof model 2nd gen sequoias. Speaking of not wanting sunroofs...
Would be cool if they eventually offered the LC300 in the U.S in a base model without a sunroof but I realize that would never happen since most people think that 4runners, Tundras, Tacomas, etc are already outdated. It also seems like a lot of people don't like that Toyota has been keeping their generations going on for long periods with minimal changes but I actually like that because it helps with parts availability for people like me that keep cars until something catastrophic happens & the increased reliability that comes with products that have been around without constant upgrades. Part of my bias might be because I work on my own vehicles so I like simplicity. While I'm daydreaming of a base model no sunroof LC300 in the US, a V8 would be cool too. As much as I don't want to own a vehicle with a sunroof, I think a land cruiser would be the only one I would make an exception for.
I could be wrong but I don't remember there being a 2012 LC200 in the U.S? I googled it but didn't see any information confirming its availability in the U.S for 2012. Also, when I search used 2012 land cruisers, I don't think I've ever seen one come up.
Speaking of 2014-2021 Tundra front ends, one of my favorite designs I've seen someone do on tundras.com was making an xl sequoia with a tundra front end. Just wished sequoias still had solid rear axles. If they did I would probably get one and do the conversion myself but other problem is, to my knowledge, there are no, no sunroof model 2nd gen sequoias. Speaking of not wanting sunroofs...
Would be cool if they eventually offered the LC300 in the U.S in a base model without a sunroof but I realize that would never happen since most people think that 4runners, Tundras, Tacomas, etc are already outdated. It also seems like a lot of people don't like that Toyota has been keeping their generations going on for long periods with minimal changes but I actually like that because it helps with parts availability for people like me that keep cars until something catastrophic happens & the increased reliability that comes with products that have been around without constant upgrades. Part of my bias might be because I work on my own vehicles so I like simplicity. While I'm daydreaming of a base model no sunroof LC300 in the US, a V8 would be cool too. As much as I don't want to own a vehicle with a sunroof, I think a land cruiser would be the only one I would make an exception for.
I could be wrong but I don't remember there being a 2012 LC200 in the U.S? I googled it but didn't see any information confirming its availability in the U.S for 2012. Also, when I search used 2012 land cruisers, I don't think I've ever seen one come up.
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Thai
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Well, the higher cost of a vehicle does not always (and seldom does) translate to better fuel economy.
The new G-wagen gets similar mileage…and it costs a whopping $175k on average.
Thai
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But at least, it takes regular gas!
Yeah, it ain’t pretty…and that is one of my biggest issue with LC200…the range on a full tank is only 320 miles. Kinda crappy when you’re going far off places with no gas station in sight.
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Thai
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Land Cruiser owners tend to keep their cars a long time: Longest-Lasting Cars to Reach 200,000 Miles and Beyond - iSeeCars.com
I am sure that there was a 2012 model. Toyota even has brochure on it.
If you want to know more about LC200: Land Cruiser 200 Information
LC is made to a different level. I am sure that the new 300 series will be spectacular, even if it shares platform with other siblings.
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