Daystar Lift kits

montanaT4R

montanaT4R

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Is anyone familiar w/ these kits? I would like to lift enough to support a heavy front ARB or Shrockworks bumper and provide a bit of additional height, but nothing too dramatic. Are these kits something that can be installed w/out special tools such as a spring compressor? I'd like to be able to do it in my garage. I don't mind paying for a nice bumper, but trying to avoid paying a shop hundreds of dollars to install a lift...1200 for a bumper is pricey enough. Another question, are the above mentioned bumpers bolt ons or is there fabrication required?

http://www.offroadunlimited.com/orustore/PC/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=16012

http://www.offroadunlimited.com/oru...type=Suspension lift&year=2006&model=4 RUNNER

What, if any, lift kits are available that can be easily installed by a novice??? I have an 06 SR5 v8 4x4 by the way

Thanks
 
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These kits cannot be used with after market bumpers or other heavy offroad add-ons. Minimum would be an OME suspension with heavy duty springs, then coilovers from there.
 
Why "cannot" they be used? Couldn't i technically install a new bumper w/out a lift? Wouldn't any lift help a bumper? I think the "cannot" is throwing me. Please expand if you don't mind.

Thanks
 
On the suspension lift... Right now the spring rate and dampening rate of the shocks are setup for the weight of the T4R without an ARB bumper. By adding the ARB bumper you'll be loading the springs/shocks with more than they were designed for. The net result will be the suspension will bottom out more easily and the T4R may bounce a couple of times after hitting a whoopty-do. In essence it'll be too soft.

Adding the spacer lift will raise the vehicle but not really change the stock springs ability to carry the added weight.

To try it as an interim setup should be fine. Just approach the progect knowing that it may be soft and you may/will want upgrade further fairly soon afterwards. Look in the for sale section here, T120 and FJC for some used spacers; that'll save a few bucks and there's nothing to wear out.

If I wanted around 2" (cheap) with a bumper, drum roll please... Here comes the plug for FJC springs! I might do the spacer and FJC springs. A better choice might be Bilstein 5100's and some OME 883 springs (even though that's not recommended). Of course a Coil-over or full OME is the best choice.

Truthfully, I don't think there's a good way to carry the bumper without at least disassembling the struts to slide on some heavier springs.

:cheers:
 
You could indeed use spacers but they do not increase the spring rate and if using a large preload spacer they will stack sooner other solutions.

I'm a numbers type of person so let's put some numbers out there.

When people say to use OME HD springs I guess they are referring to the 886 coils as the 883, 884 and 885 all are rated at 590lb/in which is only 10lbs or 2% higher than the factory FJC springs. The FJC springs arent really much firmer than the 4R V8 4x4 springs, if someone knows the rate, post it.

The 886 coils are 660lb/in or 14% firmer than stock. (info from 120 forums).

So you need to calculate how much heavier than stock your aftermarket bumper will be. How much I dont know, but lets estimate 145lbs for arguments sake. 145lbs is 1/4 of the factory spring rate of approx 580lbs. Therefore using spacers you will only loose 1/4" of lift as it takes 580lbs to compress the springs 1". The coils may/will stack sooner if the preload spacer is large (not so with DS, so with CF).

So if you had a DS old style front end lift at 3.0 inches of lift and lost 1/4" you would have 2.75" of lift left after the bumper install. If you used OME 883, 884, 885, 886 they would provide 1.18", 1.58", 1.97", 2.25" of (factory bumper) lift. The 883-885 kits would loose the same 1/4" of lift after the 145# bumper install while the 886 coils would loose 0.22" of its 2.25" lift. So the 886 coils would provide only 2.0" of aftermarket bumper lift while the DS would give 2.75".

Of course this is all theory and again the DS coils would stack or bottom out sooner, but you now have some more info to help you decide....or confuse you more. :bash:
 
What i would ultimately like to accomplish is to raise the front to make level and do something to the rear to allow me to carry more wait on the tongue. I have a pop up camper w/ a rack on the front for an ATV. It's a heavy duty offroad camper. Weighs quite a bit more than an average popup. As of now I cannot carry an atv on the front of the camper due to the sagging of the rear of my T4R. I assume that if i due a lift all the way around w/ spacers that I will as mentioned above not increase spring rate and thus my rear end will still sag.

I might hold off on the bumper, bit pricey.

What are my options?

What exactly does the below kit accomplish? Does it just raise 2.5" all the way around? Would I be able to carry more tongue weight? AND, is the kit below something i could install w/ out specialized tools??

http://www.suspensionconnection.com/cgi-bin/suscon/KT09115-4runner-lift-kit.html

If it is 2.5 all around then i will still have a lower front end, right?

W/in reason, knowing what i want to accomplish, what is the best way to go? I'd like to do 2.5" front and 1.5" rear if that makes sense.


thanks for all the help
 
That kit will lift approx. 2.?/1.5. The front lift is usually reported as around 2.5". That will leave the T4R with less rake than it has now but still some (assuming no ARB bumper).

To increase the load capacity for the trailer tunge click on the Airlift in my sig. I love them and a basic install like I have is cheap (under $110).
:cheers:
 
Few more questions. It looks like the rear airbags just slide inside the coilsprings....is that correct? No dissasembly of the rear springs, just squeeze into the gap in the rear strut w/out removing the strut or anything for that matter in the rear? If that is the case, could i just do the airbags in the rear and get spacers for the front, thus eliminating the need for rear spacers? That way i could do 1.5" spacers up front and the airbags for the rear for when i am hauling?? That would level out my T4R and allow me to carry my atv on my the front of my camper.

If you inflate the bags in the rear w/out an extra load does the rear of the vehicle raise? Or, do the bags just prevent sagging when hauling a load?

Assuming the rear bags install w/out any dissasembly can i install the front spacers, say 1.5" w/out a spring compressor? What exactly is involved in the installation of the front spacers and what is a good kit for 1.5ish"? What is the installation process if you don't mind?

Thanks again
 
montanaT4R said:
Few more questions. It looks like the rear airbags just slide inside the coilsprings....1)is that correct? 2) No dissasembly of the rear springs, just squeeze into the gap in the rear strut w/out removing the strut or anything for that matter in the rear? If that is the case, 3) could i just do the airbags in the rear and get spacers for the front, thus eliminating the need for rear spacers? That way i could do 1.5" spacers up front and the airbags for the rear for when i am hauling?? That would level out my T4R and allow me to carry my atv on my the front of my camper.

4) If you inflate the bags in the rear w/out an extra load does the rear of the vehicle raise? Or, do the bags just prevent sagging when hauling a load?

5) Assuming the rear bags install w/out any dissasembly can i install the front spacers, say 1.5" w/out a spring compressor? 6) What exactly is involved in the installation of the front spacers and what is a good kit for 1.5ish"? 7) What is the installation process if you don't mind?

Thanks again
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1) Correct.
2) Yes.
3 & 4) You could go with a smaller spacer, forgo the rear lift and use the bags to level. When unloaded the bags will give approx. .75" of lift if inflated. What they do best is minimalize sag. Using separate right/left airfill also helps it handle flatter when loaded.
5) Yes. Depends on the design/brand. You have to inquire. Most websites allow you to download install instructions (or they'll email them to you).
6) Don't know a specific brand. Jason @ www.burtmanindustries.com can get the Cornfed in whatever size you want. There's also several others.
7) Not too big of a job. You'll need two jacks and maybe a balljoint puller. If you are a DIY guy it should take one full day for bags and front spacers.
:cheers:
 
Daystar has instructions on their site which will give you an idea of what's involved with a spacer install. If you don't have XREAS, it's relatively easy because you can just pull the strut out and work on a bench. Don NOT follow the instructions that are linked directly from the product page for the front install (dated 2006). THESE ARE OUT OF DATE. New instructions can be found from the INSTRUCTIONS link. Use KT09116 for the front only and KT09115 for the rear.

Also see JA's site for a very detailed writeup (old style with topout and preload, but gives you an idea with good pics.
 
Can the front Daystar Spacers be used with X-Reas???

What lift for the front only will level out the stance? Get rid of the rake. I think 1.5 inch will do it. Granted from what I can tell daystar does not make a 1.5 inch lift for or 4Runners.

I just want to level it out and not mess with the rear. 265/70 REVOs are going on the 08 soon and I would like to level it at the same time and get an alignment once the new tires and lift is added.
 
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Yes, it will work. I just had mine put on (04 with XREAS). For leveling only you want this

Although, I think totally level is not really a good look. ANY weight in the back (cargo or tow) will make the truck ride nose high and look ridiculous. If you don't want to add rear height, I would go with this

A little rake is a good thing . ;):
 
I can only find 1" spacers and 2.5" spacers for the front. How would 2.5 up front and the bags in the back look? would it be odd looking??? Any idea where to get 2" spacers that install as easily as the daystars do?
 
montanaT4R said:
I can only find 1" spacers and 2.5" spacers for the front. How would 2.5 up front and the bags in the back look? would it be odd looking??? Any idea where to get 2" spacers that install as easily as the daystars do?
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For a 2" front kit you want the old style topout only part of the DS kit. I believe they now market it as the budget boost lift kit. It is a 1" topout spacer, giving 2" of lift.
 
if they provide similar lift, which is the easiest to install up front? do either require a spring compressor? from the intructions it looks as though the budget booser is easiest to install. What are advantages/disadvantages to each? Sorry, only want to do this once. only need about 2" up front since i will have the bags in the rear.

again, thanks and sorry for dup questions.
 
The 2.5" easy install kit should be easier to install than the 1" budget boost. This is because the new easy install kits include stud extensions while the old style budget boost kit uses replacement longer studs which require soring compression. The new 2.5" kit givves 2.5" of lift (the old 2.5" gave 3.0"), while the 1" budget boost gives 2.0" lift.
 
montanaT4R said:
is it more difficult to install, the 1" budget booster? so does a 2.5" spacer give 4" lift??
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Can the front Daystar Spacers be used with X-Reas???

What lift for the front only will level out the stance? Get rid of the rake. I think 1.5 inch will do it. Granted from what I can tell daystar does not make a 1.5 inch lift for or 4Runners.

I just want to level it out and not mess with the rear. 265/70 REVOs are going on the 08 soon and I would like to level it at the same time and get an alignment once the new tires and lift is added.
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here is a link to some pics of my runner with the budget boost kit .. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49344
 
ordered my daystar 2.5" yesterday. Should be here friday. I can't frikkin wait. Spoke to daystar and that lift can be installed w/ basic tools. should make for an entertaining weekend. 265/70 bfgs should look even better w/ the lift. Next will be the defiant light bar. I'll be posting many a pic. Thanks for all the help thus far.
 
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