Death Wobble gone!

mendozer

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I don't get excited about tire shops but listen up!
I've had steering wobble and vibration in the 60mph and up range since I bought my rig 2 years ago. The steering wheel was also always to the left by a good 10 degrees with a rightward pull. I have the lifetime alignment plan at firestone. They've done 4 alignments for me in this time as well as balancing. They've never fixed any of this. I've always gotten the printout showing before and after and one guy said my rear end has a thrust angle of -.1 degree which may be why or my frame could be twisted. Then I took it to les schwab for the same issue. They found that I was running 28 psi (factory spec) and since it was their tires on there they said 33 is best. That fixed a good deal of the right pull but not the wobbles. They also checked balance and it was fine. This summer I bought 4 new AT tires with discount tires summer sale. I waited until now to put them on since it wasn't needed. I explained to the guy in Auburn that I wanted a mounting and balancing. From my research my rig required lug centric balancing and not the more common hub centric. He assured me that "we have many cone adapters so that's not an issue" and I thought 'great another jagoff that's disregarding me'. I also asked for them to check my steering bushings because I was planning to replace those at home but wanted confirmation as it's hard for one person to check it themselves. I had about 2 inches of steering play (meaning when driving straight my hand could wiggle an inch in both directions without turning the car). This is often a steering rack issue. After all this I get in my rig after they're done and I start driving....ok...speed up....ok it's going straight!.....hit 65 on the freeway....O...M....G! Those guys fixed it...everything!!! 5 different visits to two other shops with various techs working on it and finally DT does the job. I don't know if it was the better dynamic balancing they do or maybe the crummy les schwab tires I had on there or what. I felt so relieved driving I literally felt warm and fuzzy inside like I wanted to shed tears of joy. It's like finally getting the Christmas present you always wanted. The whole drive home, about 20 minutes, I was waiting for it to act up. I thought it was too good to be true. I even installed new rotors and calipers bigger than my OEM size and I was getting vibration from 40mph and up braking, like BAD. Even that's barey noticeable. It's truly another issue I'm gonna fix today (didn't clean rotors before installing), but the balancing issue was amplified with that. In a world of shit customer service and lackluster effort with people regarding their job, I can actually say I'm a huge fan of these guys. Idk if it was this location or the tech himself, but DT just made me a LIFETIME CUSTOMER!
 
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I don't get excited about tire shops but listen up!
... but DT just made me a LIFETIME CUSTOMER!

I have some of the same issues more recently and Firestone cant seem to get mine not to wobble either. :tsk:
Maybe I'll check into Discount Tire. Thanks.

Stoked to hear of the good fortune for you on that common issue! So relieving, I'm sure. Congrats!
 
I just took my Daughter and her Jeep down to Graham (Tacoma area) a few weeks ago. May I ask exactly which shop you went to and who you spoke with?
 
What is this exactly? I wouldn't call what I have a "death" wobble.

Mine is more of a vibration. I can tell my engine almost seems loose when I hit 65-75 mph and between 2800-3500 rpm. But I know it's not since I got it checked out.

Is this what you experienced? I would really love to get that fixed.
 
Glad to hear you fixed it!

When I bought my 4runner in 2014 it had bad vibrations and was out of alignment, coupled with a very loose steering column joint. It drove absolutely terrible and my wife hated driving it.

I welded up the steering column which made a massive difference, and had Truline in Bellevue rebalance the tires and do an alignment. I felt exactly like you did after getting it sorted out. Drives like a dream now.
 
LMAO, I couldn't read it either.

But he's excited! After 2 years and much frustration he got things sorted out!

Op please post the location of the shop that did you good. I'm sure a lot of us will go line up there!!!
 
I call it a death wobble because I feel like if I let go on the wheel on the freeway it'll jiggle side to side and I'll crash and die. Lol.
My vibration wasn't rpm dependent it was speed.
Discount Tire in auburn by the outlets. Also the guy offered me the purchase protection for 19 bucks a tire on top of the 16 for mounting. I said no bc I have credit card purchase protection. Then he said 'I'll just waive the mounting so you can get the protection for a few bucks more'. Sweet!

Sorry for the giant paragraph. I was on a typing rampage!

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I call it a death wobble because I feel like if I let go on the wheel on the freeway it'll jiggle side to side and I'll crash and die. Lol.
My vibration wasn't rpm dependent it was speed.
Discount Tire in auburn by the outlets. Also the guy offered me the purchase protection for 19 bucks a tire on top of the 16 for mounting. I said no bc I have credit card purchase protection. Then he said 'I'll just waive the mounting so you can get the protection for a few bucks more'. Sweet!

Sorry for the giant paragraph. I was on a typing rampage!

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I'm a big fan of Discount Tire, I actually used to work for them for 3 years in my younger years.

What tires did you end up going with? The specific tires people run on these 4runners/tacomas make a HUGE difference in how they ride.

It doesn't matter how great or terrible you balance them. A decent tire will always ride pretty good. And a crappy tire will always run like crap.
 
I still can't understand why the death wobble is such a mystery to anyone. 99% of the problem is tires. Unless you have some seriously loose suspension components. there is NOTHING else. No amount of alignment adjustment will cure this.

Please understand you can put a square tire on a balancer and get it to balance. It's the shape that causes the death wobble more often than the balance itself. Diagnostic balancers can help place the weight in a residual static location to improve, or rather reduce, the vibrations. But like the dog that bites everyone, it doesn't matter what the owner tells you, its a bad dog!
 
I still can't understand why the death wobble is such a mystery to anyone. 99% of the problem is tires. Unless you have some seriously loose suspension components. there is NOTHING else. No amount of alignment adjustment will cure this.

Please understand you can put a square tire on a balancer and get it to balance. It's the shape that causes the death wobble more often than the balance itself. Diagnostic balancers can help place the weight in a residual static location to improve, or rather reduce, the vibrations. But like the dog that bites everyone, it doesn't matter what the owner tells you, its a bad dog!

I agree. My experience is the shop uses the wrong balancing machine adapter for our rims and then the balance ends up being off. I had this experience the last time I took my rig to America's Tires. Immediately after I picked up my rig and got on the freeway, I could tell they screwed up the balancing. When I brought it back, a lead tech told me the tech doing the balancing used the wrong adapter. Since these places probably go through employees very fast, I took a picture of the correct adapter and plan on showing that to them every time I bring my rig back for a rotation and balancing so they don't get it wrong again.
 
I'm a big fan of Discount Tire, I actually used to work for them for 3 years in my younger years.

What tires did you end up going with? The specific tires people run on these 4runners/tacomas make a HUGE difference in how they ride.

It doesn't matter how great or terrible you balance them. A decent tire will always ride pretty good. And a crappy tire will always run like crap.


I had Les Schwab Wildcate A/T (revious owner) and just put on Falken Wildpeak AT3s.
 
I had Les Schwab Wildcate A/T (revious owner) and just put on Falken Wildpeak AT3s.

This is the reason for your wobble and why it went away. It wasn't discount tire. It wasn't the cool tire guy. It was simply that your old tires were poor quality and not round. Road force balance could have saved you a lot of trouble and told you your old tires were out of round.
 
This is the reason for your wobble and why it went away. It wasn't discount tire. It wasn't the cool tire guy. It was simply that your old tires were poor quality and not round. Road force balance could have saved you a lot of trouble and told you your old tires were out of round.

I've had the same issue as OP with my 94 4Runner. The Discount Tire that installed the new tires did not have the lug centric balancing adapter. This led to vibrations above 60mph.

I called another Discount Tire when I found out about the lug vs hub centric style of balance and it turned out this particular DT knew all about the differences and had the lug centric balancer.

Took the 4runner there for a new balance (for free of course) and smooth as silk at all speeds after.
 
This is the reason for your wobble and why it went away. It wasn't discount tire. It wasn't the cool tire guy. It was simply that your old tires were poor quality and not round. Road force balance could have saved you a lot of trouble and told you your old tires were out of round.

Well I wouldn't have known the difference. I can only trust the tire shops right? I cant feasibly do my tire work at home. I can only do my maintenance and mods.
 

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