Diesel Tundra's in '07?

[RunnerUp]

I was down at the local Toyota stealership checking out the new '06 T4R and was bsing with the salesman when I inquired about diesel motors being offered in the US. He told me that the Tundra is due to get redesigned next year and get a diesel powerplant! Wondering if anyone else has heard about this. After the tundra comes the 4runner!!!

 

[Northof49]

Nope, not diesel......the 4.7L will be the standard power plant. Optional will be a 5.7L with ~400hp and the 3rd option will be a hybrid/V8 (not sure which variant it will be coupled with).

With Toyota pushing hard on the hybrid front, I wouldn't expect a diesel motor to debut in North America anytime soon......Hybrid systems offer huge low-end torque gains, solid fuel economy advantages, and MASSIVE reductions in emissions.....diesel is old news

 

[trd2001]

I think they will offer one. If Toyota want to compete with the Big Three they will. If i ever need to tow something 10,000lbs or more i will get a FORD until toyota comes out with one. I have had Chevy's and a Dodge as company cars in the past, i would never buy one.

I had a Tundra Double Cab before my 4runner. It was a good truck, but the 4.7 felt like it was out of breath all the time. The tranny would down shift under the slightest hills. The Engine is under powered for the size of the truck. IT struggled towing my Towhauler, where the 4runner does alot better. Its a good truck, but if you want one for towing, for now, you need to look else where.

 

[Northof49]

I wasn't guessing in my post :

 

[flatspin187]

i work up at TMMI were we will build tundra's and they will not start offering diesel engines in tundra's for a couple more years.. they are waiting for the Texas plant to open up in a year...

 

[RunnerUp]

okay, so Northof49, why do you say you werent geussing, I can only assume that you either A. work for Toyota, or B. found a nifty piece of knowledge somewhere. flatspin, if the plant opens next year, then how long will it take to get the diesels in production? does anyone know of any plans toyota has to offer a diesel motor in the US?


and who said no in the poll, and why? just curious, not flamming

 

[Northof49]

okay, so Northof49, why do you say you werent geussing, I can only assume that you either A. work for Toyota, or B. found a nifty piece of knowledge somewhere. flatspin, if the plant opens next year, then how long will it take to get the diesels in production? does anyone know of any plans toyota has to offer a diesel motor in the US?


and who said no in the poll, and why? just curious, not flamming

As of now, those I listed above are the planned powerplant choices in the 2007 Tundra......I have very good connections in Toyota

Toyota will likely never offer a diesel motor in any North American passenger car, because traditionally our market has been very un-receptive to such offerings. A diesel in a 1/2 ton truck is equally unlikely, particularily as none of the domestic competition offers one. IF Toyota entered the 3/4 ton/ 1 ton market, that would be the only segment where a diesel motor might be seen.....but not sure if that's in the cards.

 

[olliebear]

IF Toyota ever wants to carve

a slice of the heavy duty truck market, it must have a diesel and in a real full size 3/4-1 ton model.

about 60-70% of Ford's heavy duty, about 50% of Chevy's heavy duty, and all of Dodge's heavy duty trucks are diesel.

If Toyota ever wants to be a player in the rural/ssemi rural, couboy country, they must have a diesel. WHile hybrids may be bette in emisisons, diesels are proven 350,000-500,000 mile engines,aand torque.......600 pounds of torque at 1,800 rpm! Dodge's CTS 600 can move a 15,000 pound load in second gear just feathering the clutch at idle. 20 mpg when not hauling. Try that in a hybrid. Cowboys and contractors don't wnat some fancy ass new tech that is still deveoping and would change again in the next 4 years....they want dependable, long lasting powerful engines and they really don't give a crap about emissions. I don't give a crap either. I want a 350,000-500,000 engine that will fire up each and every time, that can pull and pull and pull, and don't need fancy batteries or technology that will obsolete like a Betamax.

Now to overcome the "No Jap rice burner truck here" mentality, Toyota would do well if they can get an engine from Cummins, John Deere, or Caterpillar. Then they have a brad recognition in a US engine--remember that Dodge owners did not buy a Dodge truck--they bought a Cummins engine in a Dodge truck.

Get an 5 speed Allison tranny or equivalent. Make it a full size with Toyota quality...Ford will be crying and GM will be pukin' and Dodge will throw in the towel.

 

[Jeff Kleb]

Toyota Diesels


I agree, Ollie. Toyota probably won't bother with a diesel engine unless they have a 3/4-ton or 1-ton chassis in which to drop it. I am a short-haul trucker by trade and am quite familiar with diesels and both their benefits and drawbacks. I have seen and driven many of them in my years.


To offer a diesel-powered engine comparable with what is offered by the 'Big Three', Toyota will probably have to build a larger truck. Not only are diesel engines larger and heavier than their gasoline counterparts, they also require larger cooling systems (radiators, etc.), room for the turbocharger, heavy-duty electrical systems, dual batteries, auxiliary transmission coolers and so on. I can't see something displacing 6 or 7 liters fitting into the current Tundra. {Notice the hood of the Ford Super Duty is not angled as much as the one on the F-150. The diesel and the gasoline V-10 probably would not fit under the sleeker hood that the light-duty trucks have.}

Also, from where will Toyota source its engines? GM gets the powerful Duramax from Isuzu (at least partially owned by GM if memory serves me correctly), Dodge buys their 5.9 from Cummins (the same engine also used in many medium-duty Freightliner trucks, some FedEx vans, etc., etc.) and Ford relies on Navistar (International) for their PowerStroke Diesel (actually a T-444e) that they use in the F-Series Super Duty pickup and some heavy-duty E-Series vans.

Maybe Toyota would get it from Hino, their medium-duty truck nameplate. Our company has a few Hino trucks in service and they are okay for what they are....although we've found that they don't have the weight capacity of the Internationals we use. The Hinos are good for city driving, and that's about it!

Anyway, it will be interesting to see if Toyota does offer a 'heavy duty' Tundra model. What would they call it, a T-350? Seriously....Can you picture a Toyota pickup look like with dual rear wheels?
:awais:

Oh, I know that the 4Runner was offered with a diesel engine in some foreign markets. What size engine was it? I'm curious.

 

[RunnerUp]

i think that the diesel motor they offer in the Asia market is a 3.0 turbo charged, not sure, but i think i saw someone named Offroader with that in the 4th gen T4R

 

[charlier180]

As of now, those I listed above are the planned powerplant choices in the 2007 Tundra......I have very good connections in Toyota

Toyota will likely never offer a diesel motor in any North American passenger car, because traditionally our market has been very un-receptive to such offerings. A diesel in a 1/2 ton truck is equally unlikely, particularily as none of the domestic competition offers one. IF Toyota entered the 3/4 ton/ 1 ton market, that would be the only segment where a diesel motor might be seen.....but not sure if that's in the cards.

It would appear that I was told a rumor then about Toyota's future plans for the Tundra. The future plans for the Tundra were said to be to expand the Tundra into a full line of trucks like the Ford "F Series". Doing this was said to enable Toyota to compete with the F-150, F-250 and F-350 truck lines including more engine choices. The time-line of these future plans was said to occur after the new Tundra plant had been built.

Just another rumor I guess....

 

[Northof49]

It would be great if Toyota were to make a run at the F-250, F-350 market.....and I had also heard some buzz about that awhile ago. But as of now, what I posted above are the closest to solid plans that I have heard for the next generation 1/2 ton Tundra, from a credible (to me) source.....maybe there is more on the backburner they aren't telling about. Everyone, of course, is entitled to their own guesses