Diff Drop kit, OME MED Springs, Schrockwoks

[zlasterhazzard]

Hey, just wanted to check before I bite the bullet on the OME Lift how important is a diff drop kit, I saw that they include it in the toyotec ultimate lift and was wondering how it helps and how necessary it is.

Also, I would like to get the shrockwocks bumper eventually and was wondering if I buy the med springs for the OME lift how bad will the ride be with out the bumper(I will tow a good bit) I probably wont have it for another 6 Months. Will I be ok running meduim coils in the front with out the weight, or should i get the regular coils and swap em for mediums when i get the bumper. Alternatively could i bolt some weights to the stock bumper in the mean time?

Thanks in Advance

 

[HB 4X4]

I replied to your thread on 120 too but I'll post the info here for anyone else in a similar situation:

I'd skip the diff drop kit. They do close to nothing on the 4th Gen's because we have a negative angle on our CV's when stock. Adding a lift up to 3-3.5" will just change the angle to positive, nothing to worry about.

For "Light" and "Medium" are you referring to 884 and 885 springs? If so, people generally run the 885's (medium) on a stock 4Runner and use the Heavy coils, or 886's with a SW bumper and winch. How much lift are you trying to achieve, and what do you plan on running in the rear? The 885's will net about 3.25" of lift in front with no bumper, and about 2.5-2.75" with a bumper. Depending on what you use in the rear, that may not provide enough front lift unless you want a really noticeable rake. The 886's will give you a solid 3" even with a bumper, winch, etc. The rear parts, whether it's OME, Icon, OW, etc will usually give between 2.5-3" of lift, so you will want at least 3" in front as to not get the "stink bug" stance.

If you plan your suspension accordingly now, in anticipation of getting a bumper, it will ride much stiffer until you eventually get the bumper on. Most people get Coilovers for this reason. You can adjust the ride height/stiffness so you can set it now, then when you get the bumper all you have to do is adjust the height of the coilovers to compensate for the weight. IMO, it's not worth it to change the coils on the OME so you should either get the stiffer coils and deal with the harsh ride or get a set of coilovers.

 

[zlasterhazzard]

thanks i responded on 120

 

[G.I.G.]

Hey Josh, have you experienced any CV issues or leaky boots since installing your lift? I have a 1" spacer lift up front right now and the CV's are perfectly level. I am installing my OME setup tomorrow and I bought the Toytec diff drop kit to go with it. You're not the first person I've heard mention the negative factory CV angle so now I'm wondering if I need to do it. ARB does not call for the diff drop and Slee Offroad says it is not necessary. However, some say they start experiencing leaky CV boot shortly after lifting their 4R. Just curious what your experience has been.

 

[Will_4R]

I'd skip the diff drop kit. They do close to nothing on the 4th Gen's because we have a negative angle on our CV's when stock. Adding a lift up to 3-3.5" will just change the angle to positive, nothing to worry about.

How does it affect the angles at full droop?

I will point out that I have no lift, 87,000 miles and leaking CVs. Based on everything I have read, it doesn't really seem like people with lifts have more problems with leaking CVs than people without lifts. Then again, most people with lifts don't offroad, and I do offroad, so maybe the offroading is what is hard on the CV boots.

 

[HB 4X4]

Hey Josh, have you experienced any CV issues or leaky boots since installing your lift? I have a 1" spacer lift up front right now and the CV's are perfectly level. I am installing my OME setup tomorrow and I bought the Toytec diff drop kit to go with it. You're not the first person I've heard mention the negative factory CV angle so now I'm wondering if I need to do it. ARB does not call for the diff drop and Slee Offroad says it is not necessary. However, some say they start experiencing leaky CV boot shortly after lifting their 4R. Just curious what your experience has been.

So far no issues. My CV's aren't stressed much at all. Honestly, I would skip it unless you want the extra work. You will also have to do something with your skid plate to allow for proper fitment.

How does it affect the angles at full droop?

I will point out that I have no lift, 87,000 miles and leaking CVs. Based on everything I have read, it doesn't really seem like people with lifts have more problems with leaking CVs than people without lifts. Then again, most people with lifts don't offroad, and I do offroad, so maybe the offroading is what is hard on the CV boots.

It could very well be. Even things like frequently driving fast while turning sharply will stress them out because the ridges will rub against each other as it spins.

 

[G.I.G.]

Yeah, it could be a perception issue as well. CV boots don't last for ever and often times people already have tens of thousands of miles on their 4R's by the time they get around to lifting it. I was actually talking to Doug at Toytec about this very subject on Tuesday when I was picking up my lift from him. Even though he sells a lot of the diff drop kits, he told me that it isn't always necessary. He pointed out that when people change something with their suspension that any issue they have shortly thereafter (like leaky CV's) that they usually blame the new suspension. He also has observed that a lot of people who are running his adjustable coilovers up front have them maxed out, getting more 3" of lift which isn't the ideal setting.

Slightly off topic, but how frequently do CV boots need to be replaced? Can you replace just the boot or do you need an entirely new CV that is greased and ready to go?

 

[tannerk15]

I'd skip the diff drop kit. They do close to nothing on the 4th Gen's because we have a negative angle on our CV's when stock. Adding a lift up to 3-3.5" will just change the angle to positive, nothing to worry about.

For "Light" and "Medium" are you referring to 884 and 885 springs? If so, people generally run the 885's (medium) on a stock 4Runner and use the Heavy coils, or 886's with a SW bumper and winch. How much lift are you trying to achieve, and what do you plan on running in the rear? The 885's will net about 3.25" of lift in front with no bumper, and about 2.5-2.75" with a bumper. Depending on what you use in the rear, that may not provide enough front lift unless you want a really noticeable rake. The 886's will give you a solid 3" even with a bumper, winch, etc. The rear parts, whether it's OME, Icon, OW, etc will usually give between 2.5-3" of lift, so you will want at least 3" in front as to not get the "stink bug" stance.

I am currently looking into different suspension options and have a few questions. Currently based off advice I have received on here, I am looking at getting Bilstein 5100's for both the front and rear along with OME 895 coils for the rear. I am also looking into adding OME 885 coils for the front. What is your advice?
I do not see myself getting a new bumper or winch for the front or rear and would like to maintain a comfortable ride. I do feel that my 4Runner bounces too much as it is so a little stiffer would not be a bad thing.

 

[Drunner97]

I am currently looking into different suspension options and have a few questions. Currently based off advice I have received on here, I am looking at getting Bilstein 5100's for both the front and rear along with OME 895 coils for the rear. I am also looking into adding OME 885 coils for the front. What is your advice?
I do not see myself getting a new bumper or winch for the front or rear and would like to maintain a comfortable ride. I do feel that my 4Runner bounces too much as it is so a little stiffer would not be a bad thing.

I have 5100s + 885s in the front on a V6 w/ sliders and 3 skid plates. The ride was stiff before and after, but it's very comfortable on and off road. My 4runner is my daily and it feels just about perfect now with the Icon rears and Metal Tech 2" springs.

 

[having fun]

thanks i responded on 120

So do you have aa v6 or 8. I have the 6 and 885s and all the weight on mine and is comfy.
[MENTION=28474]HB 4X4[/MENTION]
So do you think 886 would be to harsh and push me up past 3" lift?

 

[t-man]

I'd like to point out that it depends on what lift you have on how they effect cv angles. When I had my bilsteins on 2.5 my angles were fine. With them on 0" lift but a 3" spacer above it they are maxed out to the point of binding and are about 1/8th of an inch from the lower shock mount as pictured below. I originally tried setting my Bilsteins at .85" with the 3" spacer, no bueno. CV's wouldn't spin and the cv boot hit my lca shock mount.

 

[CXS]

Hey, just wanted to check before I bite the bullet on the OME Lift how important is a diff drop kit, I saw that they include it in the toyotec ultimate lift and was wondering how it helps and how necessary it is.

Also, I would like to get the shrockwocks bumper eventually and was wondering if I buy the med springs for the OME lift how bad will the ride be with out the bumper(I will tow a good bit) I probably wont have it for another 6 Months. Will I be ok running meduim coils in the front with out the weight, or should i get the regular coils and swap em for mediums when i get the bumper. Alternatively could i bolt some weights to the stock bumper in the mean time?

Thanks in Advance

You'll be fine, I have the OME medium & Shrockworks front bumper and winch, no diff drop. It's s nice setup, you might be a bit high until you get the bumper but it doesn't drop you as much as you're expecting. IIRC mine dropped .5" when I installed the bumper.

 

[CXS]

I'd like to point out that it depends on what lift you have on how they effect cv angles. When I had my bilsteins on 2.5 my angles were fine. With them on 0" lift but a 3" spacer above it they are maxed out to the point of binding and are about 1/8th of an inch from the lower shock mount as pictured below. I originally tried setting my Bilsteins at .85" with the 3" spacer, no bueno. CV's wouldn't spin and the cv boot hit my lca shock mount.

Hey t-man, is that pic of your current setup or the the Bilsteins at .85? No offense but those angles are ugly!

 

[t-man]

Hey t-man, is that pic of your current setup or the the Bilsteins at .85? No offense but those angles are ugly!

Current. As soon as I get paid, new coils and I'll ditch the spacer. I agree, they suck. Lol

 

[Atlas415]

New here, a little confused and I am getting ready to do a moderate lift:

Would a cornfed 3/2 setup cause that harsh of an angle or is because the pic shows it with a combo Bilstein setup?

Thanks

 

[t-man]

I should explain further, my bad, the pic is at full droop on that picture too. So with the tires on the ground it's not so bad. But, if you go offroad, I do quite regularly, then you will be drooping that front. Normal driving, you'd be fine. I'll try to get another pic.

 

[Atlas415]

Thanks

 

[t-man]

Ok, hard to tell on picture but at ride height it is just below level. So no issues there. Like I said, the problem arises if you flex your suspension out like I do.

 

[CXS]

Ok, hard to tell on picture but at ride height it is just below level. So no issues there. Like I said, the problem arises if you flex your suspension out like I do.

Whew! Not so bad knowing that!

 

[CXS]

I should have noticed the missing wheel!