Do you think she may be totaled? - pics

Will this T4R be consudered total by the insurance adjuster?


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What's up guys? A 16yo kid ran a red light and turned in front of me this morning.

Just looking at the pics, do you think she may be totaled? 06 w/ 106k miles.

I should find out something next week and will be sure to post up what was decided.
 

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What's up guys? A 16yo kid ran a red light and turned in front of me this morning.

Just looking at the pics, do you think she may be totaled? 06 w/ 106k miles.

I should find out something next week and will be sure to post up what was decided.

u ok??? so sorry :( u had a great lookin 4r
 
If the repair cost exceed 70% (depends on the insurance company) of the market value of your car. They'll likely total the car.

Considering the it's a 06 with 106k miles. If it is a 4WD, it may only fetch 14K ~ 18k. Looking at the damage, I doubt any shop can fix that for less then 14k without seriously cutting corner.

So, yes, it's totaled.

Now, if it's not too soon to ask..... are you parting out? :D:D

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depending on the ins co. and the salvage value of the vehicle, the amount of damage it could go either way. NADA value is (depending on options) is 24500.00 w/v6, 25100.00 w/v8 deduct 1675.00 for high mileage. the amount could go at least 1200.00 more if you have certain options.

there is deninitely some decent frame damage there. rule of thumb, manufacturers specs and ICAR specs if is kinked it needs replacing, if its bent its repairable(on frames). there is probably about 6-9000.00 in visible damage. an appraiser can look at the damage, mileage and cond of the vehicle and do a constructive total because of anticipated damage that might show up when the vehicle is torn down.

this one could go either way. if i was writien it it would be close.
 
depending on the ins co. and the salvage value of the vehicle, the amount of damage it could go either way. NADA value is (depending on options) is 24500.00 w/v6, 25100.00 w/v8 deduct 1675.00 for high mileage. the amount could go at least 1200.00 more if you have certain options.

there is deninitely some decent frame damage there. rule of thumb, manufacturers specs and ICAR specs if is kinked it needs replacing, if its bent its repairable(on frames). there is probably about 6-9000.00 in visible damage. an appraiser can look at the damage, mileage and cond of the vehicle and do a constructive total because of anticipated damage that might show up when the vehicle is torn down.

this one could go either way. if i was writien it it would be close.
Thanks guys.

Value wise I'm finding around $22k for my area. That is between trade-in and dealer retail. The body guy at Toyota, where it was towed, said it was close. However, he said he would see what he could do after writing it up and talking to the other drivers insurance company, State Farm.

Will keep you posted.
 
Yep, they'll total it. By the looks of it, frame damage. If that's the case, you do not want it anyway. It will never drive the same, no matter what a repair shop tells you. Take the insurance money and put it into another 4Runner instead of this one. Thank God no body was injured...
 
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That was a nice looking runner, sorry to hear. Looking at the escape the dork kid was driving looks worse (considering its a uni-body), that looks totaled to me.
 
She's toast. Sorry dude :sadwave:

You can always opt to buy it back and repair it or part it out, but that looks too far gone. If it is close, the insurance company will total it anyway to avoid any hidden repair costs that may not be visible until tear down begins.
 
I think she is a goner too. If they want to try and fix it I would actually lobby to have them total it. it will be on your car's record for life and in the long run end up being de-valued when you sell it.

I had the same problem with my 04 when it was totaled while it was parked.
 
i got dibs on wheels and tires :tongue:

On a side note though im glad your ok and sorry for losing such a nice truck
 
The 70% rule is what will be used from the other parties company.

If it's really close you can lobby to not have it fixed. Usually within $1k give or take of making it 70% since it's value is over $20k.

If it's that close and the adjuster tells you they are going to fix it I would strongly suggest you call SF's main claims line and ask for the supervisor on the team that said adjuster works with.

Lay out all of the facts especially the situation with the resale being pretty much shot with that high dollar amount for a repair. Also make sure you run some figures for the amount that they can more than likely part it out wholesale to recapture their loss and more than likely they will be in a better situation NET after costs to part it.

Bringing in your family's safety is also a key point to share. No one wants to have to drive a vehicle after this kind of damage with it always lingering in the back of your mind. Said company should do the right thing.

Keep us posted and I'm glad you were not injured! :thumb3:

Did your airbags deploy??
 
I work claims for a living and I'll say it's probably history. Even if the insurance company wants to move it to a shop, they will find more damage once it's torn down. Probably some accessories on the front of the engine a cracked if not the block itself. Looks like the radiator and such pushed back pretty far. As mentioned before, if it's close the insurance company can choose to go ahead and total it, but if it's below 70% w/ all the costs including rental, tow bills, and such, they can fix it just the same. Loss of value and having a "not safe vehicle" and valid points, but very hard to prove. And the frame has nothing to do with a vehicle totaling or not. 90% of frames can be repaired, others can be sectioned, or replaced...but it will add to the total amount of the estimate. Let us know how it works out, glad you were ok, cars can be fixed/replaced.
There are alot of myths floating around about what insurance companies do/don't do; and what you should or shouldn't do. If you have any questions let me know.
 
I work claims for a living and I'll say it's probably history. Even if the insurance company wants to move it to a shop, they will find more damage once it's torn down. Probably some accessories on the front of the engine a cracked if not the block itself. Looks like the radiator and such pushed back pretty far. As mentioned before, if it's close the insurance company can choose to go ahead and total it, but if it's below 70% w/ all the costs including rental, tow bills, and such, they can fix it just the same. Loss of value and having a "not safe vehicle" and valid points, but very hard to prove. And the frame has nothing to do with a vehicle totaling or not. 90% of frames can be repaired, others can be sectioned, or replaced...but it will add to the total amount of the estimate. Let us know how it works out, glad you were ok, cars can be fixed/replaced.
There are alot of myths floating around about what insurance companies do/don't do; and what you should or shouldn't do. If you have any questions let me know.

as i mentioned before anyone who repairs a vehicle "properly" has to do so by manufactures specs, ICAR specs etc... i am a licensed damage appraiser and have been in this industry for 25 + years.

reguarding frames toyota does not have a sectioning procedure on their frames as toyota is one of the few left who use full frames besides a few imports and some domestics(mostly trucks) as most have gone to a unitized construction which means the body and support structure is one piece.

it does depends on the insurance about totalling a vehicle as the damage appraiser is the only one who can do so. he does not figure in rental, tow bills etc. as he is only involved in the appraisal process. the other things already mentioned is over and above his job. at least in Mass. only a licensed appraiser can control what happens to the vehicle, noone inside the company can change what he writes( i cannot speak for other states). if the vehicle is repaired properly there will be absolutely no change in mechanicals and safety(my GMC had 18000.00 in damage from an accident on '01 and i still have it today and it still looks showroom fresh)

here is an example: if your vehicle is worth say 23,000. damage is at 18,000 but salvage is 6-7000.00 than it is a total loss even though the damage amount is not near the value of the vehicle. you would add the vehicle damage and what salvage could bring. it usually does not depend on the value of the vehicle to damage anymore. alot relies on salvage value. you could have a chevy cobalt value at 10,000, damage at 8000 but salvage at 500.00 its worth it to fix it because the insurance will only get back 500.00 instead of the payout of 10,000 for the value of the vehicle. if its fixed then the ins still looses but the owner is still able to retain the vehicle(possibly fee of car payments). i am seeing this on a regualr basis these days as people have paid off their cars, they become totalled and dont want a payment so they either retain them or work with a body shop so they can retain the vehicle and not get into car payments again.

when your vehicle gets written it will most likely be written with aftermarket parts from say Keystone, Empire etc.... if you want OEM the ins co will have you pay the difference or if the bodyshop can prove the aftermarket part is inferior then OEM will be allowed. frames are tricky, as i mentioned before if it is "kinked" it needs to be replaced as per any car maker and ICAR if it is "bent" then it is repairable. I have shops try to tell me that they can "fix" a kinked frame or unibody. i have to explain to them that it is not a proper repair and if something happens it is my license on the line. also some ins companies will also charge a "betterment" on wearable parts which is a chrage on how long you have used the part. its the same as wear and tear on tires or a battery, same principle.

if you can get some good pics i could write an appraisal(obviously not a binding one) and give a rough estimate on what i can visibly see. it might give you a better idea if you need to start looking for another vehicle.

also if your state has a sales tax on anything you are entitled to that back on top of your vehicle value settlement.

good luck.
 
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I agree, however different companies have different standards and processes to determine the "70%" mark. The company I work for does include rental and additional tow bills as it adds to the overall cost to indemnify the customer. I guess other companies don't. You know more about Toyota's standards in regards to the frame work, I just was trying to point out the frame damage itself doesn't automatically mean it's totaled. Good info, thanks
 
there is a 2006 sr5 in the body shop that i work at right now with comparable damage. were fixing it, its hard to say if your 4r is totaled by looking at the pics. mileage would be a key factor and the airbags going off would be another. to me the frame doesnt look to damaged, just the core support and a lot of bolt ons. if it was my 4r i wouldnt want it fixed, its hard to keep something like that after its been repaired, you can never be sure its as safe as factory. good luck and im glad to hear nobody was hurt.
 

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