Don't piss off your mechanic

It not so much that it that they lose shit and expect you to give them a deal because it's already partially taken apart.

I don't know if you work for Toyota in Bend (or Toyota at all). I dropped my 2001 Tacoma off there (when I lived there in 2002) and had them replace a CV boot that I had torn installing a 1.5" leveling kit. I was prying down on the lower A-Arm and slipped off with my pry bar (read giant screwdriver) and stabbed it.

So they replaced it for me....simple right...? Nope, less than a week later it was making a clunking sound.. I took it back and after waiting over an hour (had enough time to walk to COSCO and back) they tell me it's because of the spacer and it cannot be fixed.

Very long story short, I took it to the dealer near Corvallis, they pulled the CV and found that the bearing had been installed wrong, and there was no C-clip. Bend messed up a CV boot replacement, and sent me packing on a vehicle with 12k on the clock, and under full warranty.

This is why we learn or attempt to try stuff ourselves, mechanics are a roll of the dice, and most of the time you get craps.

People (in general) want a knowledgable mechanic, not a know it all.... And they want to be told the truth.
 
I don't know if you work for Toyota in Bend (or Toyota at all). I dropped my 2001 Tacoma off there (when I lived there in 2002) and had them replace a CV boot that I had torn installing a 1.5" leveling kit. I was prying down on the lower A-Arm and slipped off with my pry bar (read giant screwdriver) and stabbed it.

So they replaced it for me....simple right...? Nope, less than a week later it was making a clunking sound.. I took it back and after waiting over an hour (had enough time to walk to COSCO and back) they tell me it's because of the spacer and it cannot be fixed.

Very long story short, I took it to the dealer near Corvallis, they pulled the CV and found that the bearing had been installed wrong, and there was no C-clip. Bend messed up a CV boot replacement, and sent me packing on a vehicle with 12k on the clock, and under full warranty.

This is why we learn or attempt to try stuff ourselves, mechanics are a roll of the dice, and most of the time you get craps.

People (in general) want a knowledgable mechanic, not a know it all.... And they want to be told the truth.

Toyota here is full of a bunch of ****tards I would let my car get near a tech there i understand why and I've been there it's the people that don't know the difference between a spark plug and a injector that shouldn't even own tools
 
My turn

Been around as a wrench for 24 years and i have ran into a lot of good and bad customers i even nearly strangled a few in my lifetime.The stupid ones will always be stupid enough said,for the most part people will understand the situation if you are being honest and talk to them nicely.When a customer becomes a complete psycho i just walk away,for the most part a lot of my customers feel better when i explain to them what is going on and understand that i don't have a crystal ball to fix a car (i would be rich if i did) I still love what i do but shop politics tend to make it such a burden sometimes and lets not forget managers that think they are God sent to fix the problem in your shop.Rant is over for now.:lookout:
 
Toyota here is full of a bunch of ****tards I would let my car get near a tech there i understand why and I've been there it's the people that don't know the difference between a spark plug and a injector that shouldn't even own tools

That's not what I'm saying at all actually. I just know that when stupid ass people think they can fix some thing bring it in half apart and expect you to take time off and ask why it cost so much and you tell them because that's what we get paid for this job and then 2 days later come in for the old part and you tell them exactly where it is and they still can't find it after you point at the part in the middle of the floor , it's just stupid is as stupid does


Here you go. The Period
 
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
 
I find this interesting. I like to hear what customers (I prefer clients) have to say. I haven't been in this game very long, but this is what I can tell you of my own experience so far. I am an independent shop tech.

Some mechanics are stubborn - they won't listen to new ideas or even client suggestions. That doesn't do anyone any good.

Some mechanics think they're always right, and anyone else is an idiot that disagrees with them. This again benefits no one.

Why do most people seem to have negative experiences with their dealership? It's just how they run. I don't doubt that there are great dealer service centers and techs out there. The issue is that they tend to have a high turnover rate of new techs. Essentially, there's a lot of inexperience floating around.

The local BMW dealership has a lot of work. They have 100 bays, 40 techs and 20 service writers. Just by principle, it's so much easier to just "guess" at a repair, let the service writer deal with the crap when you're wrong and then make another guess and hope it works. Shotgun diagnostics. Benefits no one, except for maybe the tech because they're getting paid for more work at the client's expense and dealership's reputation. No bueno.

In an independent shop you don't have that wall to hide behind. That is a good thing. As a tech, you're no longer "tech #27" you're "Mike." That anonymity is gone. Repairs and diagnosis need to be correct the first time. There are instances where you'll be thrown off course. It happens. In these instances, it makes a world of difference when you have data on WHY a repair direction was made and sold to the client. SHARE this information with them. They will usually be understanding as you're being honest. Sometimes people are just unreasonable - do your best and take it as a learning experience. They may still come back next time.


Issue #2 with dealerships: service writers. Again, I realize not everyone is this way. Generally, dealerships prefer their service advisers to come from a NON-TECHNICAL background. They have no idea what the tech is talking about. Their goal is to be best friends with every client - earn their trust. An ex-tech service writer is the best kind in my opinion. He will have the knowledge to look at a repair order and agree or question a tech's decision. If it seems way off, he calls BS and kicks it back to the tech to get better answers.

On the subject of wait times. Man, I've been on both ends of the stick. I took a single wheel and tire to pepboys one weekend (we don't do tires at my shop. Odd one for me because I've always had access to a tire machine). The lady at the counter said it would take about 10 minutes to have them put "together." Now I know it only takes about 30 seconds on a tire machine, but whatever. Two hours later it was done. Yes I waited. Should have left but kept getting reassured it was about to be done. Waste of my time. I was still nice to the tech. Knew it was a waste for him as well... said "thanks man, I appreciate it" and didn't get even the slightest of recognition in response. ****.you. I also had one client that authorized 10 hours of work one day that was due at the end of the day. He had nothing better to do but waited for 8 hours in the lobby. I felt bad. No one wants to do that. I missed lunch to get him out of there sooner.

My final concern - unreasonable clients. Oh yes, I've seen a few. You don't know what's going on in their life and what other problems they may be having. It's best to just approach every situation with everyone's best interests in mind. Sometimes you're just going to lose. I did a set of drum brakes on a clients car awhile back. Then the parking cable seized up and warped the drums. Replaced everything and sent it off after testing. It showed up again a few days later for making a rubbing noise. Tested/rechecked/sent off. It kept coming back. I lost a lot of time and money to try and make things "right." Well the fact is that there was nothing wrong with the brakes. I noticed the guy just rides his brakes forever when coming to a stop. Brought it to the attention of the service writer/owner who would constantly get a barrage of emails and texts from the client, asking for loaner cars and eventually claiming all of us techs were incompetent. The owner looked at the car with the client and (surprise!) Still found nothing wrong. He just got another email stating the brakes are still making noise. The response was "There is nothing wrong with your brakes." Yup.

I know people question labor times quite a bit. The fact is that we don't know how long it's REALLY going to take. Sometimes a supposed 3 hour job takes a whole day. Sometimes it takes an hour. You pay for expertise. The first time doing something always tends to take longer. Techs are always in a constant battle of winning or losing on repair orders. Set labor times are the only way to make it fair. Also, as far as doing your own work. Great! I'm all for that. I understand that sometimes it turns into a daunting task you weren't expecting. You have to understand though, that when you bring something like this to a repair shop we have to look at it and may have to charge a diagnostic fee. If it's pretty obvious of a task... yeah probably not. But if it's one of those "my car does this sometimes and a mechanic friend said it's "this" but didn't look at it" issues, let us help you help us get it right the first time. Also understand that when you give us a half-completed job, it is still on the tech if it doesn't work right. We HAVE to tear it down all the way to know it's done right. Sometimes it is, but oftentimes it isn't. And then nobody wins.
 
For me it was never a Customer issue. The problem was dishonest Management, that expected me to be dishonest too.

I've heard from former colleagues, that the industry has improved in that regard.
 

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