Doubling up on masks could help keep COVID away, research shows

[mccmr89]

You’re wasting your time and energy firing blanks here. You should write letters in this tone, with this venom, to the ones who forced wuflu positive patients into nursing homes, and to those who denied HCQ to wuflu patients. About half the covid deaths in NY were nursing home residents.

HCQ doesn't work, that's a fact not an opinion.
Hydroxychloroquine doesn’t benefit hospitalized COVID-19 patients | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

 

[SarcasticSOB]

Looks like a lot of people posting in the thread live in one so you should ask them lol

As an Immunologist I was afraid to open this thread but there's no going back now...

Yes, I started thinking that this thread might be against the forum rules because it was about politics.

 

[scanny]

I believe that one metric that has been suggested is 75% of population vaccinated.

And vaccines and masks have something in common. Getting the vaccine and wearing a mask protect others. Particularly those who cannot get the vaccine because of medical problems and those who cannot wear a mask because of medical problems.

I have had one dose of the vaccine already and will get a second soon. I will continue to wear a mask because we do not yet know if I could still infect someone else. And in addition, no one I pass on the street will know that I have been vaccinated and not wearing a mask would piss them off.

Just a side note here. The people ranting against masks here are prime candidates for my ignore list.

Just in case you missed it according to CDC you'll have to wear mask even after 2nd dose:


"Do I need to wear a mask and avoid close contact with others if I have gotten 2 doses of the vaccine?

Yes. Not enough information is currently available to say if or when CDC will stop recommending that people wear masks and avoid close contact with others to help prevent the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19.

Experts need to understand more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide in real-world conditions before making that decision. Other factors, including how many people get vaccinated and how the virus is spreading in communities, will also affect this decision. We also don’t yet know whether getting a COVID-19 vaccine will prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to other people, even if you don’t get sick yourself. CDC will continue to update this page as we learn more."



So I guess vaccine doesn't make life normal at least for now.

 

[Ogre75]

Just because something is a virus doesn't mean it will always be around. Example 1 smallpox, a virus that was eradicated through vaccination. Example 2 polio, eradicated in the US through vaccination. Flu is different because it's a new strain every year.

"Flu is different because it's a new strain every year"
and how many "new" variants of the WuFlu have the powers that be tried to scare us with in the last two months?

 

[ElectroBoy]

An interesting read from the Washington Post about pandemics throughout history. Written in April 2020 there’s a line “Covid-19 disease modeling predicts U.S. deaths to potentially reach 240,000”. We’re double that already.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/local/retropolis/coronavirus-deadliest-pandemics/

 

[SarcasticSOB]

"Flu is different because it's a new strain every year"
and how many "new" variants of the WuFlu have the powers that be tried to scare us with in the last two months?

First of all it is covid-19 not the WuFlu. Second of all the medical/scientific community is trying to inform us of the facts and encourage us to take prudent precautions. Characterizing this as "the powers that be tried to scare us" is just more political trolling and you should take it elsewhere.

 

[Nobody Special]

First of all it is covid-19 not the WuFlu. Second of all the medical/scientific community is trying to inform us of the facts and encourage us to take prudent precautions. Characterizing this as "the powers that be tried to scare us" is just more political trolling and you should take it elsewhere.

Science says in an overpopulated area, diseases are quick to spread and mutate.
Humans are the cancer cells of the Earth.
She deals with us as best she can.




CDC says masks DON'T work. Fauci agrees.
This is one of many where they contradict themselves as an agency.

In pooled analysis, we
found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks.

Two studies in university settings assessed the
effectiveness of face masks for primary protection
by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed
influenza among student hall residents for 5 months
(9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was
not significant in either studies.

None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group.

There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory confirmed influenza."
Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures - Volume 26, Number 5—May 2020 - Emerging Infectious Diseases journal - CDC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI




Sorry.
The government lied about 9/11 saying the air was safe.
Insider: EPA Lied About WTC Air - CBS News

Lied about experimenting on Armed Forces / Operation Delirium (And got soldiers addicted to opium)
Operation Delirium | The New Yorker
G.I. Heroin Addiction Epidemic in Vietnam - The New York Times

Tuskegee study
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history/40-years-human-experimentation-america-tuskegee-study

WMD's
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/iraq-war-media-fail-matt-taibbi-812230/

They & Doctors used to say cigarette smoking was GOOD for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAB04wkCxqw

They want to make hard drugs basically legal/decriminalized.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oregon-1st-state-to-decriminalize-possession-of-hard-drugs



I don't surround myself with liars and thieves, and I doubt you do either.
So yeah, I prefer them to stay OUT of my life.
If you are skurred, stay home.
I'm a big boy now, so I can think for myself as others can as well.



Thought crime limit has already been exceeded for this post. :tape2::tape2:

 

[Rapid_Amble]

HCQ doesn't work, that's a fact not an opinion.
Hydroxychloroquine doesn’t benefit hospitalized COVID-19 patients | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

That isn’t true at all. The NIH uses taxpayer money to subsidize R&D of high cost drugs for big pharma such as Gilead. You should do some research, instead of believing face value of government and major media marketing.

There’s tons of research pointing out that age old, generic, cheap HCQ is effective against the China virus.


Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19: a systematic review - ScienceDirect
Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

 

[jross20]

Wear a mask, everyone else should wear a mask, and if you have to be around dingbats who don't wear a mask, wear a clear plastic face shield. You'll be as protected as you can be.

Seriously, this obsession with the mask itself, I don't get it. It's important to do, but if some selfish jackass who doesn't wear a mask blasts spit in your face, you're going to get more of that spit into your body through your eyes than through the mask which means you're more likely to get the virus through your eyes than your mouth and nose.

Wear a mask. It's not for yourself. It's for protecting everyone else. And if everyone else wears a mask, they're protecting you. We all have to be unselfish. You don't even have to do a perfect job of wearing the mask for it to be more effective than not.

Because it's the principle combined with the politically charged nonsense of the virus.

If you tell me to do it, I'm not doing it. If you leave me alone, I will.

The government needs to leave it be. Not to mention that anything short of an n95 really isn't doing anything. Plus you cannot tell me that this magical virus (Magical because it just apparently does everything) showed up randomly, unrelated, to the election year. And then right at the election...boom... vaccine. My buddies and I called it from the start.

But, I digress. Leave me be and I will leave you be.

 

[ElectroBoy]

That isn’t true at all. The NIH uses taxpayer money to subsidize R&D of high cost drugs for big pharma such as Gilead. You should do some research, instead of believing face value of government and major media marketing.

There’s tons of research pointing out that age old, generic, cheap HCQ is effective against the China virus.


Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19: a systematic review - ScienceDirect
Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

Oh no. Let’s not start quoting unreliable sources again.
These guys are nuts. From Wikipedia and others (although someone will say it’s part of the deep state...)

“The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association founded in 1944. The group was reported to have about 5,000 members in 2014. The association has promoted a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. It is opposed to the Affordable Care Act and other forms of universal health insurance.”

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - RationalWiki

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - SourceWatch

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/aaps-make-health-care-great-again/607015/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/th...geons-ideology-trumps-science-based-medicine/

And on and on...

 

[Rapid_Amble]

Oh no. Let’s not start quoting unreliable sources again.
These guys are nuts. From Wikipedia and others (although someone will say it’s part of the deep state...)

“The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association founded in 1944. The group was reported to have about 5,000 members in 2014. The association has promoted a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. It is opposed to the Affordable Care Act and other forms of universal health insurance.”

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - RationalWiki

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - SourceWatch

AAPS: The Doctors''' Group That Hates the Government - The Atlantic

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons: Ideology trumps science-based medicine | Science-Based Medicine

And on and on...

All of the links you posted are marketing gibberish. . .

Edit: the hard data is out there. There’s no need to read fiction https://c19study.com/

 

[ElectroBoy]

For almost a year a big segment of the US population has been anti-mask. How's that worked out so far?

I'm tired of this whole damn shutdown. I'd like everyone to be able to go back to work. I'd like to go to concerts and sports events again. I'd like to travel freely and eat in restaurants again. I'd like kids to go back to school.

How about trying a new tactic and wearing a mask when you're around people?
Just try it for 12 weeks. See what happens. The sooner we're over this the better.

 

[Old Tanker]

For almost a year a big segment of the US population has been anti-mask. How's that worked out so far?

I'm tired of this whole damn shutdown. I'd like everyone to be able to go back to work. I'd like to go to concerts and sports events again. I'd like to travel freely and eat in restaurants again. I'd like kids to go back to school.

How about trying a new tactic and wearing a mask when you're around people?
Just try it for 12 weeks. See what happens. The sooner we're over this the better.

For almost a year a big segment has been pro-mask. We shut down for 15 days. We shut down until cases went down. We shut down until a vaccine came along. Now we're shut down for the duration of the hundred day honeymoon. And we'll stay shut down until a bigger segment demand to reopen. Otherwise they'll never reopen - too much money in siphoning off percentages of trillion dollar bailouts.

 

[SarcasticSOB]

For almost a year a big segment of the US population has been anti-mask. How's that worked out so far?

I'm tired of this whole damn shutdown. I'd like everyone to be able to go back to work. I'd like to go to concerts and sports events again. I'd like to travel freely and eat in restaurants again. I'd like kids to go back to school.

How about trying a new tactic and wearing a mask when you're around people?
Just try it for 12 weeks. See what happens. The sooner we're over this the better.

Sadly for years a large segment of the population has been anti-science, anti-education, and basically anti everything.
Despite repeated authoritative studies showing vaccines do not cause autism there is a group of anti-vaxers that endanger not only their own children but the children around their children who are immuno compromised and cannot be vaccinated. I find it sad that people refuse to protect their own children, but nearly criminal that they disregard the lives of those around them. I feel the same about masks. If not wearing a masks only endangered the non-wearer I would be fine with them not wearing a mask. I fully support the right of people to be stupid as long as it only endangers their own lives. But people being stupid about a pandemic feeds the pandemic and results in more deaths. Wear a mask and quit spreading lies.

 

[Ogre75]

Sadly for years a large segment of the population has been anti-science, anti-education, and basically anti everything.
Despite repeated authoritative studies showing vaccines do not cause autism there is a group of anti-vaxers that endanger not only their own children but the children around their children who are immuno compromised and cannot be vaccinated. I find it sad that people refuse to protect their own children, but nearly criminal that they disregard the lives of those around them. I feel the same about masks. If not wearing a masks only endangered the non-wearer I would be fine with them not wearing a mask. I fully support the right of people to be stupid as long as it only endangers their own lives. But people being stupid about a pandemic feeds the pandemic and results in more deaths. Wear a mask and quit spreading lies.

I feel the same about automobiles. If operating an automobile only endangered the driver, I'd be fine with them driving. I fully support the right of the people to be stupid as long as it only endangers their own lives.


...Masks don't stop viruses, quit spreading disinformation.

 

[Rapid_Amble]

Sadly for years a large segment of the population has been anti-science, anti-education, and basically anti everything.
Despite repeated authoritative studies showing vaccines do not cause autism there is a group of anti-vaxers that endanger not only their own children but the children around their children who are immuno compromised and cannot be vaccinated. I find it sad that people refuse to protect their own children, but nearly criminal that they disregard the lives of those around them. I feel the same about masks. If not wearing a masks only endangered the non-wearer I would be fine with them not wearing a mask. I fully support the right of people to be stupid as long as it only endangers their own lives. But people being stupid about a pandemic feeds the pandemic and results in more deaths. Wear a mask and quit spreading lies.

Which version of Fauci do you believe in? Check all that apply. Do you believe the one who:
A. Concluded that most deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu were caused by masks, and not the flu
B. Cautioned everyone not to buy/horde masks for the new coronavirus because masks are ineffective in preventing spread
C. Demanded everyone wear masks to reduce the transmission of the coronavirus
D. Recommended everyone wear 2 masks to further reduce spreading of the virus
E. Fessed up that there's no data proving the effectiveness of wearing 2 or more masks to reduce spread of the coronavirus

You may be onto something - "authoritative" people/studies may be full of BS.

 

[scanny]

That's my problem too. Health officials clearly have credibility issues. Why they were telling us that masks don't help but then told us that masks helped and made it mandatory? Are they incompetent and have no clue? Or they knew that masks help from beginning but didn't care? What are they gonna say about vaccines in next few months? Can we trust health authorities?

 

[Brick Sprickly]

These discussions are a cancer on the forums.

I find myself promoting this site less and less every day.

 

[Brick Sprickly]

Yes, I started thinking that this thread might be against the forum rules because it was about politics.

Technically it is, as well as numerous other posts.

 

[SarcasticSOB]

These discussions are a cancer on the forums.

I find myself promoting this site less and less every day.

I am starting to ignore more and more members.
I suppose some of the people who are willfully ignorant about the issues of this pandemic might have something intelligent to say about 4runners, but there are enough other who know what they are doing that I don't need to listen to covidiots.