E-Locker conversion - Worth the $?

Johnny0

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Hey guys, I'm a newb here. Been a Toyota guy for decades. Have had three 1st gens, two 2nd gens, and just got my first 3rd gen.

Question for the guys with the factory E-Lockers. How often do you use? And if you did a conversion, do you feel it was worth the time and money?

We use our 4Runner's in mountains and snow more than dirt.

thanks
 
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Hey guys, I'm a newb here. Been a Toyota guy for decades. Have had three 1st gens, two 2nd gens, and just got my first 3rd gen.

Question for the guys with the factory E-Lockers. How often do you use? And if you did a conversion, do you feel it was worth the time and money?

We use our 4Runner's in mountains and snow more than dirt.

thanks

I am interested in the responses because I've wondered the same thing.
 
I can't speak for the swap but after going to moab in the snow I can gladly say that a locker makes a huge difference when needed.
 
I did the swap on mine. I can't speak to the price of having a shop do all the work as I am a welder and fabricator and old school car guy so I did all of the work myself. I converted mine because its nice to have the option when needed. I don't do a lot of off roading and what I do doesn't really require the locker, just a good set of tires and decent driving skills (which is an argument for another time).

So, I want to approach this from two different views.

First, If you don't do any real hard core off-roading and you have a winch then you probably don't need the locker. However you need to weigh how much you use your winch each time you go riding and take that into consideration on buying the locker because the locker can help to keep you out of those situations where you might have to use the winch. Also, the locker tends to build false confidence when you go off roading which ends up getting you into situations that you might not have gotten into without out it, so it will eventually not be enough anyway.

Since you said you do a lot of snow wheeling I can't really recommend the full locker but would suggest something like a posi-traction or something else that would be a little more friendly on frozen black top.

As far as doing the actual work. Its really easy to do the swap. The hardest part beyond doing the welding is drilling and tapping the holes. If your not careful when doing the welding you will harden the steel and make it almost impossible to drill for the tap. Also, keep in mind that getting the 3rd member to sit flush against the housing requires a lot of added metal and getting that ground flat is a lot of work. Its easy if you have a endmill and can set it up for a machine to do the work. However, if you do it by hand - which I have seen done - you need to make sure the 3rd member is sitting square and flush with the axle tubes and isn't in at an angle or it will cause other issues all together. I haven't seen anyone warp a housing from welding it but I could see where it might happen and I don't think that can be fixed without some serious work.

Plus, when you do the locker swap you need to rebuild the entire 3rd member and axle bearings. I have yet to figure out why in the world someone would put in a used 3rd member without replacing all of the bearings. Which leads to the second main problem everyone runs into, the gearing in the locker 3rd member doesn't match whats in their rig. So you end up having to swap the pinion and ring gear from the old unit to the new unit.

All of these hidden rebuilds start to add up quick!. So that 500 dollar (I don't care what these well wishers want to say your not going to buy a used stock Toyota e-locker 3rd member on Ebay for less than 500 dollars) e-locker install turns into a 1500 dollar install.

So the ultimate question is, Would I do it again? Probably not! If I had to do it all over again I would go with a Air Locker from ARB because if you ever decide to install a font locker all of the supporting equipment is already there and the ultimate price difference between a factory conversion in the rear - even with a full self install - and the ARB isn't noticeable between the two. Especially once you take into consideration that you should rebuild the used e-locker 3rd member just like you would have to rebuild yours with the ARB install anyway.
 
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OP...what year is your 4rnr?

The answer I'd give is different for 01 and 02 versus earlier years.

If you drive on roads with snow that comes and goes....the locker does you almost no good.


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If you are looking for a simpler installation, the Detroit TruTrac is a limited slip differential and it worked great for me. I rarely off-road though, most of my time is spent on roads and when I do venture off it's usually on decent trails (I have highway tires). I did put it to the test last summer and was pleasantly surprised. It's "always on" so I don't have to remember to press a button.
 
The easiest option is to find a whole elocker axle with the same ratio and swap that in. $500 + $ for switch + a weekend and you're done.

Edit: new axle will have unknown state of seals so you should factor in a seal job if you go that route.
 
The easiest option is to find a whole elocker axle with the same ratio and swap that in. $500 + $ for switch + a weekend and you're done.

Edit: new axle will have unknown state of seals so you should factor in a seal job if you go that route.

This:

If it doesn't match the gearing in the front buy the front diff from the same rig the rear axle comes out of.

Is it worth it? Depends on how you use your rig. Mountains and snow doesn't really say a lot. Mountains and snow like driving on roads through the mountains and snow or going to the mountains to wheel in some deeper snow? I use mine all the time - but I also wheel mine pretty hard. I think if I was building one to drive back and forth across the passes I would still put an e-locker in it.

ARB - way overkill unless you are going to wheel hard. Only benefit is ability to engage instantly (but I always lock my elocker before it is required). ARBs also have their downsides like leaking and $$$.

So how do you plan to use it in the mountains and snow? Here is how I use mine...

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My 4Runner is a 2000. has 4.10's in it. I have been thinking about buying a factory toyota e locker from a part truck with 4.30's.

Limited slip is definitely an option

thanks for the responses and info
 
My 4Runner is a 2000. has 4.10's in it. I have been thinking about buying a factory toyota e locker from a part truck with 4.30's.

Limited slip is definitely an option

thanks for the responses and info

Do it. I got lucky and scored a rebuilt front/rear axle set with e locker in back for $550. The install was easy, the overall cost was good, and the slight bump from 4.10s to 4.30s was right on the money with my previously installed supercharger. I am on +32" tires and I have plenty of power to run +80 mph on the freeway at ease. Most of that is the supercharger but it is a bit easier with the 4.30 gears.

I am also running a Schrockworks front bumper with sliders. So I have a decent bit of extra weight.
 
You won't regret it. I swapped the entire diff, and got the low range stand alone harness for it.
My 3rd gen is more DD than a wheeler, but pulls light duty wheeling time to time. It will become my daughters truck soon, so she'll start wheeling it w/ me almost immediately. :lookout:
 
If you mainly drive in snow, I'd say a limited slip might be better like [MENTION=115347]gamefreakgc[/MENTION] suggested. The labor involved with an e-locker swap is fairly extensive compared to just pulling out your 3rd member and swapping it for one with a limited slip unit installed like a True Trac.


Here's a video for the e-locker swap:

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Since most open diff models came with 4.10 gearing and e-lockers came with 4.30 gearing, you'll also have to swap out the front diff with a diff with 4.30 gearing because you need the gearing to match with both diffs. The video below shows swapping out the front diff. It was a struggle but we learned an easier way to get the diff out so definitely read the comment I pinned sharing the technique we found to get the diff out easier. Also, this was swapping out a diff with an air locker installed by East Coast Gear Supply so all the steps you see in this video won't be necessary.

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Now, compare it to the labor involved to just swap out the 3rd member:

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Hey guys, I'm a newb here. Been a Toyota guy for decades. Have had three 1st gens, two 2nd gens, and just got my first 3rd gen.

Question for the guys with the factory E-Lockers. How often do you use? And if you did a conversion, do you feel it was worth the time and money?

We use our 4Runner's in mountains and snow more than dirt.

thanks

I've always said it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. It's a bit of piece of mind knowing it's there.

In my eyes, it's paid for itself 10 fold and certainly has gotten me out of some crappy situations.
 
didn't read all the posts so hopefully not repeating. If you are going to do anything aside from simple dirt road or sand then the locker is the best upgrade you can do hands down! I just did mine with in the last month and I love it. Cheapest way to do it is find a e locker 3rd member out of a Taco 4:10 unless you are already 4:30. Make sure you check the code inside your door or do the tire spin test.
So..
Taco e locker 4:10, 4 runner E locker axle housing and do the wiring from a 3rd party like 12 volt guy.
I found a third member for 600.00 housing for 200.00 (which is a great deal) shop did the install minus the wiring for 400.00. I paid 150.00 for the wiring kit and did it myself. so 1,350.00 out the door.
 
didn't read all the posts so hopefully not repeating. If you are going to do anything aside from simple dirt road or sand then the locker is the best upgrade you can do hands down! I just did mine with in the last month and I love it. Cheapest way to do it is find a e locker 3rd member out of a Taco 4:10 unless you are already 4:30. Make sure you check the code inside your door or do the tire spin test.
So..
Taco e locker 4:10, 4 runner E locker axle housing and do the wiring from a 3rd party like 12 volt guy.
I found a third member for 600.00 housing for 200.00 (which is a great deal) shop did the install minus the wiring for 400.00. I paid 150.00 for the wiring kit and did it myself. so 1,350.00 out the door.

What size tires are you running? I have a 2000 limited 175k with 295/75/16 and my stock 4.10 differential just went out after coming back from a long road trip. Not sure if it was bad luck or just time but im trying to figure out if I should swap a taco e lock 4.10, or regear to 4.33 or 4.88 with e locker. What do you think?
 

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