Edmund's Pathfinder Review - it's no 4runner

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Even though the new Pathfinder doesn't have a V8 engine option, the 270 HP V6 Pathifinder is still quicker than the V8 4Runner, according to Edmunds.
 
Hitman said:
Even though the new Pathfinder doesn't have a V8 engine option, the 270 HP V6 Pathifinder is still quicker than the V8 4Runner, according to Edmunds.

So is sitting on a SAM missle. The SAM will take you anywhere very quickly.

I would rather get there a few millseconds slower and have a ride that I am proud to own.

That Pathfinder, er all Nissan products, have cheap construction materials, all look alike and concerning a truck application, personally, I would rather have more torque.

Isn't Nissan notorious for hedging their HP numbers? Or was that just Mazda.

The one Nissan I have ever owned was like a tin can with a steering wheel attached.
 
Hitman said:
Even though the new Pathfinder doesn't have a V8 engine option, the 270 HP V6 Pathifinder is still quicker than the V8 4Runner, according to Edmunds.

"The Pathfinder reaches 60 mph in just 7.4 seconds.."

"And jump our 4Runner did, as it rushed to 60 mph in just 7.6 seconds and ran through the quarter-mile in just under 16 ticks..."

The 2003 4Runner with 235 HP & 320 Tq. Not the new 270/330. Plus the Pathfinder is only turning two wheels (a part-time 4WD system).

I didn't buy a 4Runner for the 0-60 time. But the Pathfinder does has a nice V6.

I'm not a big fan of the independent rear. This is the first Pathfinder produced in NA. 4Runner is made in Japan.

My cousin has owned 2 3rd gen 4Runners. He just got the new Pathfinder. Have to see how it does.

My parents have an 05 Titan. I would not let them get the 04, too many quality issues. Have to see if the Pathfinder does any better.
 
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Sac State said:
So is sitting on a SAM missle. The SAM will take you anywhere very quickly.

I would rather get there a few millseconds slower and have a ride that I am proud to own.

That Pathfinder, er all Nissan products, have cheap construction materials, all look alike and concerning a truck application, personally, I would rather have more torque.

Isn't Nissan notorious for hedging their HP numbers? Or was that just Mazda.

The one Nissan I have ever owned was like a tin can with a steering wheel attached.

Wow, where did all the hostility come from??

I was just saying that the Nissan V6 is pretty powerful, that's all. And it had good torque numbers too, especially for owners who don't plan to tow (which is most of them, just like any other vehicle)

Where did you get the idea that Nissan doesn't put out honest HP ratings? I know that Mazda and Ford have had those problems in the past, but I've never heard of Nissan inflating the numbers. Either way, it's obvious that the new Pathfinder has the performance, so what would make you think that the ratings are inflated?
 
Hitman said:
Wow, where did all the hostility come from??

I was just saying that the Nissan V6 is pretty powerful, that's all. And it had good torque numbers too, especially for owners who don't plan to tow (which is most of them, just like any other vehicle)


I'd venture to say Nissan's 4.0 is better than Toyota's 4.0. But I don't want the hostility. ;):
 
What hostility? :confused:

You said it was faster than a V8 Runner. Ok.

I relayed my experience with Nissan products. Unthreatening

You seem to portray in your post that the Nissan is better because it goes .2 secs faster. I didn't buy my Runner to play Nascar. So I said if you want to go fast, there are other options to go fast. My opinion, not hostile.


I asked an open ended question about padding HP numbers, since in reality, HP makes the advertsiment look good, it does very little for actually moving the vehicle. And since the mfg's are rabid about HP numbers, some mfg's have been accused/proven of padding the numbers.

It just seems strange that Nissan is using the same V6 in all of their vehicles. Pathfinder, Z, Frontier, Infinity etc. And they all have different HP numbers. Seems they are posting HP in direct correlation to its targeted competition.
 
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Bluto said:
I'd venture to say Nissan's 4.0 is better than Toyota's 4.0. But I don't want the hostility. ;):

Interesting thought... but what would make Nissan's V6 better than Toyota's V6?
 
I car pool with a guy who has one of the 2k5 pathfinders and I'm not totally impressed. The plastic feels very cheap compared to the 4Runner and they are correct in saying the back seats are much more cramped. I'm not sure if this is because they had to squeeze the 3rd row seats in. I would rather have a more comfortable 2nd row anyways.

The engine is very powerful though and I like the 5speed. It is much better than the 2k3/2k4 4speed that the V6 got. That point is moot on the 2k5 V6 though...

When it comes down to it, I'd still rather have the 4Runner and that is not a biased opinion.
 
Sac State said:
It just seems strange that Nissan is using the same V6 in all of their vehicles. Pathfinder, Z, Frontier, etc. And they all have different HP numbers. Seems they are posting HP in direct correlation to its targeted competition.
Hitman said:
Interesting thought... but what would make Nissan's V6 better than Toyota's V6?


Toyota makes a good V6. It gets the job done. Nissan just does better. The VQ series receives awards and praise from automotive experts. Search around the net, read up on the technical aspects. "Nissan needs more VQ V-6s because it
 
Sac State said:
What hostility? :confused:

You said it was faster than a V8 Runner. Ok.

I was simply stating what Edmunds said. Personally, I couldn't care less about a couple of tenths from 0-60

I relayed my experience with Nissan products. Unthreatening

You seem to portray in your post that the Nissan is better because it goes .2 secs faster. I didn't buy my Runner to play Nascar. So I said if you want to go fast, there are other options to go fast. My opinion, not hostile.

I didn't portray Nissan as better or worse, I simply made a statement from the Edmunds review. If you took it that way, then that's in your mind..... not what I was thinking (or portraying)

I asked an open ended question about padding HP numbers, since in reality, HP makes the advertsiment look good, it does very little for actually moving the vehicle. And since the mfg's are rabid about HP numbers, some mfg's have been accused/proven of padding the numbers.

You obviously knew about Mazda inflating their HP numbers (Miata) so what would make you question Nissan? If you can't provide even one example of a Nissan vehicle with inflated HP ratings, then why even bring it up? Smells like sour grapes to me.

It just seems strange that Nissan is using the same V6 in all of their vehicles. Pathfinder, Z, Frontier, etc. And they all have different HP numbers. Seems they are posting HP in direct correlation to its targeted competition.
Hmmm.... do you really think it's the same engine in all Nissan vehicles? The Pathfinder uses a 4.0L V6. Did you ever wonder why they call the Z a "350 Z"? Because it has a 3.5L V6. It's not the same engine....

But in defense of Nissan (and others), it's quite easy to take that same 3.5L engine and tune it differently for specific applications. HP numbers are as easy to change as different intakes/exhausts, cam profiles etc... If they have an engine that can serve many different applications, why not use it and rate it accordingly?
 
Bluto said:
Toyota makes a good V6. It gets the job done. Nissan just does better. The VQ series receives awards and praise from automotive experts. Search around the net, read up on the technical aspects. "Nissan needs more VQ V-6s because it
 
From what I've read the Nissan 3.5 and 4.0 are indeed the same engine, the 4.0 is a stroked 3.5. Now, I now from experience that stroking an engine is not always good for reliability.

Koz
 
Koz said:
From what I've read the Nissan 3.5 and 4.0 are indeed the same engine, the 4.0 is a stroked 3.5. Now, I now from experience that stroking an engine is not always good for reliability.

Koz

Not 'stroked', but an updated design.

And the 3.5 is an redesigned 3.0.
 
Hitman said:
Okay, let's take this one step further....

If Nissan does in fact make a better V6 than Toyota, who's to say that Nissan's V6 isn't also better than Toyota's V8?

It is all opinion. How do you define 'better." Toyota has come a long way with the V6 1gr-fe. And the V8 has been around since 1990 in the LS400?
 
Koz said:
"That extra size, combined with the switch to body-on-frame design, added over 500 pounds of additional curb weight, so last year's 3.5-liter engine wouldn't have had enough grunt to get the job done. Nissan responded by adding stroke to the 3.5 and creating a new 4.0-liter V6."

Right from the above link!

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/d...d=104745?tid=edmunds.h..insideline.promo.2g.*


Koz


So 10.6 mm more stroke is the only difference between the 2 engines? How about the valvetrain, compression ratio, pistions, engine management, and induction system?

Did Nissan change the stroke and leave everything else the same?


The new Avalon uses a short-stroke variant of 1GR-FE 4.0L V6 in the 4Runners. 3.5-liter 280 hp and 260 tq. So is the 'stroked' 4Runner engine bad?
 
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Koz said:
From what I've read the Nissan 3.5 and 4.0 are indeed the same engine, the 4.0 is a stroked 3.5. Now, I now from experience that stroking an engine is not always good for reliability.

Koz

Exactly, it is the same engine with modifications.
 
If the Avalon's 3.5 is a de-stroked 4.0 that is the opposite of what Nissan did. From what I understand the Toyota 4.0 is NOT a stroked 3.4, but a completely new design. That is a BIG difference. To stroke an engine is the CHEAP way a manufacture can get around a new redesign to make more power. Now, a de-stroked engine is the complete opposite, which creates a more reliable/stronger engine. You stated that the Nissan 3.5 was actually a 3.0 redesigned. If that
 
The Nissan VG/VQ series engine has been a 10 best for 10 years running, I've owned them and I can say that the obvious reason it gets picked is because it is reliable and performs, the Toyota V6 that falls into the competitive slot with that engine is just as reliable but is no performance winner, sure it's fast but back to back it's puts down slower times.

The engines are more of the overall package and they can only pick 1, Nissan has had their share of problems with it, just like any new design but they have also had years to perfect it, give Toyota time, remember Nissan has to catch up to Toyota and Toyota is way ahead.

Im more into the whole package, if all you got is faster times, and more HP then you got nothing, the 4Runner has always been the bar everyone else has been trying to reach and still that bar sits high, HP numbers are what the average customer looks at but please .02 seconds, that much time make it a drivers race as with many cars, do you really think people go to buy an Audi TT or a BMW 325 and go hey the Hemi Grand Cherokee is faster, nah I'll buy the Jeep, never gonna happen, the only place the Pathfinder will win is straight line racing, plan and simple.

Now as far as Nissan misleading people with HP numbers and times, yes they have done it but always leave a cushion so as not to kick themselve in the ass, the 02 Altima had 240hp, 03 had 245, now the 05 has 250hp, they all dyno around the same HP when stock, same goes for the Maxima when they dropped the 3.5 255hp VQ into it, still dynoed in the same area as the 02 V6 Altimas and the same goes with the current Maxima and SE-R Altima, their al around the same HP, it really gets confusing, comes down to the gearing.

The Pathfinder in 2001 got the 3.5 VQ and Nissan siad it was 7.5 seconds to 60, all the mags got 9 seconds, the Infiniti Q45 was suppost to be 5.9 to 60, mags could only get that number with brake torque, the average consumer is not gonna beat their cars like that, real world numbers where mid 6 seconds to 60, that car never sold well next to the LS430, which had lower HP numbers and put down faster times.

Same shit with the Sentra SER, was never as fast as they officially said it was.

Now back to the Pathfinder, back to back I could point out tons of minor defects I don't like on the Pathfinder, just for comparison they say quality is in the price, price out 2 loaded models and the 4Runner just up substantially, but their is a major quality gap between the 2 units, 4Runner is just way ahead of the Pathfinder, I tend to lurk on some of the Pathfinder boards, nothing like the 4Runner boards and the problems popping up are not worth owning, some guy is already going into arbitration cause his trans is slipping cause it was underfilled from the factory and now they just want to give him a quick fix, it may only last til the warrant is done.

Nissan is a good product but their cost cutting is not the best move, their spending all their money to offer cars with the highest performance numbers and then the attention to detail is crap, the carpeting looks like it was cut with a dull knife, I do know they have some of the worst interiors, their plastic is hard and the fabric seat quality is just bad, they make Fords look good, you can take a Nissan apart with your hands, Toyotas are welded, glued, bolted, crazy work is gone into sealing up the cars, Nissan figures if it looks good from a distance no one will notice.

Toyota was smart, they offered a braod line of cars that where reliable and quality but slow, they built their Corporation up and now their taking those slow quality vehicles and just putting bigger engines in them.

Now it's very possible that the Toyota 3.5 could take the throne away from the VQ for the 10 best engine.
 
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