Experience with fitting 17x9 wheels needed

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I just got back from test fitting some 17x9 Fuel Hostage wheels for my 2008 SE and I ended up holding off on the purchase. The tech over at 4wheelparts who installed them said they would rub the body mount under any flex. Additionally, he turned the wheels for me to show where the rubbing occurred on the fender liner and it was significant. Not only the liner needed trimming, but some of the fender itself. I'm no stranger to trimming the liner as I did quite a bit in my '04 4runner with the same tires and 17x8 Helo wheels.

I have the daystar 2.5 lift and the BFG 255/75/17 MT. I'll also be installing a 1.25" BL this Sunday. I'd like to hear from anyone with 17x9 wheels to gauge how much they trimmed and whether they had body mount rubbing. If the rubbing was minimal/tolerable I'm going back to get those wheels!!!

the wheels had the following stats:
backspace: 4.5
offset: -12mm

Thanks

Oh...I have to say...Damn, those wheels looked AMAZING with my setup.
 
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I believe most use a 4.5 bs 0 offset wheel. I don't know much about wheel measurements to know how much that would affect fitment, but do know that's what I've seen others run. I will say that I'm running 255/75/17's (love the size btw for a 32" tire) on stock wheels with 1.25" wheel spacers. I have about 2.25" lift in the front and with just the fender liner moved forward, I experience no rubbing at all. Also, I've never heard of rubbing the body mount until you step up to 33's. Maybe it's the offset, I don't know, just giving you my experience.

Don't guess you'd have any pics with the wheels mounted?
 
ARK_SWAMP_RIDER said:
I believe most use a 4.5 bs 0 offset wheel. I don't know much about wheel measurements to know how much that would affect fitment, but do know that's what I've seen others run. I will say that I'm running 255/75/17's (love the size btw for a 32" tire) on stock wheels with 1.25" wheel spacers. I have about 2.25" lift in the front and with just the fender liner moved forward, I experience no rubbing at all. Also, I've never heard of rubbing the body mount until you step up to 33's. Maybe it's the offset, I don't know, just giving you my experience.

Don't guess you'd have any pics with the wheels mounted?
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ASR, thanks for the response...see with your 1.25 wheel spacer I'm guessing your setup sticks out as far as the wheel/tire combo that I'm trying to run. So I'm thinking pulling the liner forward and a little mud flap trimming is all I'd need to make them fit. I was surprised by the body mount rubbing comment too. I'm also thinking that the change in fender design from 03-05 to 06-09 has anything to do with additional fender rubbing...
 
I have been running Raceline Renegade 6 wheels 17X9 4.5 with a 0 bs with no spacers and never rubbed on my body mount.

All I did is trim the inner fender liner and removed my front mud flap.
 
mysticz said:
I have been running Raceline Renegade 6 wheels 17X9 4.5 with a 0 bs with no spacers and never rubbed on my body mount.

All I did is trim the inner fender liner and removed my front mud flap.
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Thanks mysticz! I'm thinking my offset might be the issue then?

Here's a crappy last minute picture I took as I was walking out of the install bay..


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What's the difference between these two wheels' specs:

Fuel D531 Hostage - Black by Fuel Off-Road
Fuel Hostage Wheel, 17 in x 9 in
6x5.5 Bolt Pattern
5.0 in Backspace
Hub Centric = Yes
Offset = 1mm

&

Fuel Hostage Wheel,
17 in x 9 in
6x5.5 Bolt Pattern
4.5 in Backspace
Hub Centric = Yes
Offset = -12mm

the latter was the one I tried on today...would the first one impose less rubbing?
 
I don't know enough to say the difference between those. The 1.25" wheel spacers I believe put the wheel in the same (or very close) position as the 4.5 bs wheels. I'm just not sure what the offset does to that. I'm pretty sure there's not any difference in clearance with the old vs new body, only shape of the fender well (i.e. body mount shouldn't be affected).
 
The first one should impose less rubbing.
As an example, I just installed 17x8.5" wheels with 0mm offset, 4.75" B.S. with the common 265/70/17 Duratrac, it clears the body mount by less than a half inch at full lock(stock ride height for now).

Any more negative offset will obviously push the wheel out, but also closer to the body mount at full lock.

Should be fine, but with the 17x9 1mm wheel, be sure to check the upper a-arm for clearance.

And for reference, the stock sport wheels with 1.25" spacers sit pretty much the same as a 0mm offset wheel. So a 9" will extend inward and outward .75"
Christian
 
A 255 is going to look kinda balloned out on a 9in wide rim considering the tire is only 10in wide itself personally a 17x8 with a 4.5 backspace and 0 offset is a perfect match for the 4runner with a leveling kit spacer lift or even coilovers

Or even a 17x8 with a 5.187 backspace with +20mm offset
this is what I am running right now no rubbing at all with 265/70/17s with a DS 2.5/1.5

From what I know is that first rim you posted 5.0 backspace 1mm offset might come real close to the upper a arm if you decided to upgrade to 285's

Diagram explaning offset and backspacing http://www.fourwheeler.com/techarticles/wheels/129_0602_wheel_backspacing_etiquette/photo_01.html
 
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ARK_SWAMP_RIDER said:
I was just thinking of the queston asked, want thinking of tire size on the rim. Hamilton is right, that's a wide rim for those tires.
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yeah it's pretty wide as the tire specs state that it should be used with wheels up to 8.5 inches wide. The Jeep community uses 17x9 wheels with this tire consistently with no problems, the only issue would arise if I aired down.
 
ckiesz said:
The first one should impose less rubbing.
As an example, I just installed 17x8.5" wheels with 0mm offset, 4.75" B.S. with the common 265/70/17 Duratrac, it clears the body mount by less than a half inch at full lock(stock ride height for now).

Any more negative offset will obviously push the wheel out, but also closer to the body mount at full lock.

Should be fine, but with the 17x9 1mm wheel, be sure to check the upper a-arm for clearance.

And for reference, the stock sport wheels with 1.25" spacers sit pretty much the same as a 0mm offset wheel. So a 9" will extend inward and outward .75"
Christian
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Good point Christian, the first option would have been much better to have ordered the first go around. I'll just play it safe and wait for the Pro Comp 7005 in 17x8 to get back in stock. Thanks for posting your experience!



hamiltonj2w1 said:
A 255 is going to look kinda balloned out on a 9in wide rim considering the tire is only 10in wide itself personally a 17x8 with a 4.5 backspace and 0 offset is a perfect match for the 4runner with a leveling kit spacer lift or even coilovers

Or even a 17x8 with a 5.187 backspace with +20mm offset
this is what I am running right now no rubbing at all with 265/70/17s with a DS 2.5/1.5

From what I know is that first rim you posted 5.0 backspace 1mm offset might come real close to the upper a arm if you decided to upgrade to 285's

Diagram explaning offset and backspacing Wheel Backspacing Offset Diagram Photo 1
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Thanks for the insight, your thoughts were what I was thinking would be the case...the negative offset is for sure putting my in the danger zone for body mount rubbing. I'll take your advice and look for 17x8 wheels with 0 offset, but damn, every manufacturer seems to be going towards 17x9's nowadays. And the Pro Comps are soooooooo back ordered right now, it's ridiculous.
 
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04 Sport w/17x9

Ok well I will describe my install of 17x9 +10. I took off original 17x7.5" +30 stock wheels/tires on 2004 sport and put on 17x9+10. Now, the tires (265/65 17)are flush with the most outer part of the mud flap. In other words stance grew about an 1 1/2" with no spacers needed. The back spacing was about 5 3/8". The wheels and tires look amazing where they are without major or even minor adjustments. If you are up in the air about the math, schematics of how it would lay out - re-read what I put down and build from there!!:
 
Here's mine with 17x9 -12 offset. Tires are 265/70/17 Falken AT3's. Had to pull the fender liner forward and trim the bottom of the front bumper cover. Also had to trim the mud flaps. No rubbing other than those items.

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Cisco Kid said:
Here's mine with 17x9 -12 offset. Tires are 265/70/17 Falken AT3's. Had to pull the fender liner forward and trim the bottom of the front bumper cover. Also had to trim the mud flaps. No rubbing other than those items.



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What sliders are these, looking great!
 
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