Finally giving my 97's exterior some TLC

atalarico

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I've had my 97 for going on 6 years now and I've treated her exterior like garbage. It wasn't until I got a new DD (2016 Golf R) that I realized just how poorly I treated her exterior, but I'm trying to atone a little. Let me clear, I'm not expecting to get her to showroom shape at all since she's a dedicated mountain car now. I'm not going to spend a ton of money getting all of the scratches fixed only to put new ones on there, but I'm willing to put in some hours to at least get it back to a base level.

So, here's what I'm thinking. I know I need to clay bar it, and I have literally never waxed it either. I'm sure a compound and polish would be a good idea, but I don't have a buffer, and I don't want to invest in one. Can I still do either of those by hand, or is it going to take a very long time (like, over a few hours for just that step)?

Also, I don't have access to a covered space, and the 4Runner parks below trees. I can't guarantee that crap, figurative and literal, won't fall on to it while I'm working on it. How bad is that?

Considering all of that, would I be better off just paying somewhere to do this?
 
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Whether or not you should hire someone to do the detail job is entirely dependent on how nice you want the paint to look and how much time/money you want to invest in labor and tools along with what exactly the current condition of the paint is.

I get the sense that you don't want it perfect, just brought back up to an acceptable condition, in which case claying, a single stage polish, and sealant is probably the best approach. You definitely need to purchase a DA polisher to do the polishing part, which will run you $150 or so with the pads necessary - at that point it may already be worth it to you to pay a professional to do it, especially since you don't have an ideal working environment.

To give you an idea of results, this pic below is an 01 Camry owned by a family member that wasn't taken care of properly as far as paint is concerned, and that I did the aforementioned detail on, with the addition of a two stage polish and some other bits like headlight restoration. It's still not perfect, but since it's a daily driver it's fine, and looks better than 99% of other similar-age vehicles on the road.



If you have any questions about detailing just let me know...it's definitely a big hobby of mine to say the least.
 
Whether or not you should hire someone to do the detail job is entirely dependent on how nice you want the paint to look and how much time/money you want to invest in labor and tools along with what exactly the current condition of the paint is.

I get the sense that you don't want it perfect, just brought back up to an acceptable condition, in which case claying, a single stage polish, and sealant is probably the best approach. You definitely need to purchase a DA polisher to do the polishing part, which will run you $150 or so with the pads necessary - at that point it may already be worth it to you to pay a professional to do it, especially since you don't have an ideal working environment.

To give you an idea of results, this pic below is an 01 Camry owned by a family member that wasn't taken care of properly as far as paint is concerned, and that I did the aforementioned detail on, with the addition of a two stage polish and some other bits like headlight restoration. It's still not perfect, but since it's a daily driver it's fine, and looks better than 99% of other similar-age vehicles on the road.



If you have any questions about detailing just let me know...it's definitely a big hobby of mine to say the least.

Phenomenal info! I've been thinking about your response, and I am now wondering if I should just ante up and buy a polisher then. $150 isn't *that* bad considering how much I try to care about my paint now (especially on the Golf R). It sounds like more than just a one-time use thing too and that I can can use for years to come.

I kind of like having the 4Runner be my practice paint for the Golf R, so this might be a good exercise for me. So, really, what it comes down to now is your advice on my driveway situation, and if a stray leaf or stick would totally ruin an in-progress detailing task. I know that would be the case for something like painting a car or applying a ceramic treatment, but I simply don't know much about clay and polishing (other than what I've read about the actual process of doing it).

It's not like leaves constantly fall, but I'd hate to have a random breeze come through and ruin an hour of work (if that's how sensitive this kind of work is). I can also pull most of my front hood into the garage we share, but that's about it, and it's pretty low clearance for accessing the roof.

Thanks!
 
As long as you make sure any debris is removed before you begin polishing each section you should be fine there...a leaf or stick won't hurt anything as long as you remove it before working a section of paint.

The only potential issue I can see is time constraint, since polishing is quite time consuming, especially for a first timer. You would ideally have to do the entire process in one day, starting with wash and clay, then a single stage polish and sealing the paint. It's definitely do-able, but I definitely recommend watching plenty of YouTube videos on detailing as well as potentially performing the wash/clay/polish/seal process on a small section of the truck beforehand to familiarize yourself with the process and tools. A great YouTube channel to check out is Ammo NYC, with tons of info on all types of detailing, and there are many more beyond that.

If you have any questions about the process or products I use let me know and I'll be happy to point you in the right direction. A polisher is definitely a great tool to have, since you can use it to speed up regular waxing sessions in addition to polishing.

Phenomenal info! I've been thinking about your response, and I am now wondering if I should just ante up and buy a polisher then. $150 isn't *that* bad considering how much I try to care about my paint now (especially on the Golf R). It sounds like more than just a one-time use thing too and that I can can use for years to come.

I kind of like having the 4Runner be my practice paint for the Golf R, so this might be a good exercise for me. So, really, what it comes down to now is your advice on my driveway situation, and if a stray leaf or stick would totally ruin an in-progress detailing task. I know that would be the case for something like painting a car or applying a ceramic treatment, but I simply don't know much about clay and polishing (other than what I've read about the actual process of doing it).

It's not like leaves constantly fall, but I'd hate to have a random breeze come through and ruin an hour of work (if that's how sensitive this kind of work is). I can also pull most of my front hood into the garage we share, but that's about it, and it's pretty low clearance for accessing the roof.

Thanks!
 
[MENTION=55192]atalarico[/MENTION], you can use my place if you want, I don't really care, PM me if interested, I'm off I-25/Yale area.

I saw a few mobile detailing ads on Denver CL btw, I've been thinking about using one myself to give the paint some love as well.

In addition to what [MENTION=86041]Mc1337sauce[/MENTION] said, Autogeek.net seems to be a site with a mountain of detailing info that I've been trying to learn from off and on
 
I definitely forgot to mention Autogeek, they are certainly a fantastic resource as well - I believe they do YouTube videos also if you'd rather watch than read.

You have to be careful when it comes to mobile detailers; make sure they have a solid 4+ star rep on Google, Yelp, etc since there are many inexperienced ones out there who can easily ruin your paint...happened to a friend of mine and his 750iL, which was a rather expensive mistake.

[MENTION=55192]atalarico[/MENTION], you can use my place if you want, I don't really care, PM me if interested, I'm off I-25/Yale area.

I saw a few mobile detailing ads on Denver CL btw, I've been thinking about using one myself to give the paint some love as well.

In addition to what [MENTION=86041]Mc1337sauce[/MENTION] said, Autogeek.net seems to be a site with a mountain of detailing info that I've been trying to learn from off and on
 
I definitely forgot to mention Autogeek, they are certainly a fantastic resource as well - I believe they do YouTube videos also if you'd rather watch than read.



You have to be careful when it comes to mobile detailers; make sure they have a solid 4+ star rep on Google, Yelp, etc since there are many inexperienced ones out there who can easily ruin your paint...happened to a friend of mine and his 750iL, which was a rather expensive mistake.



The world of CL advertising...

What did they do to his bmw?


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Thanks for the info, all (and for the offer on the garage [MENTION=99383]amalik[/MENTION])!

The all day thing makes me wonder then since I know it's a no no to wash your car when it's sitting in the sun. Sounds like it's either do it in a garage or pay someone else. At this point, I might just wait to buy a polisher until I have a full garage to park in (medium term life goals).

Then again, how the hell is a mobile detailer going to do it if it's out in the sun too?
 
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What did they do to his bmw?


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To put it shortly, they set the polisher on the ground face down (you know that is the ultimate detailing sin from reading, I'm sure) and proceeded to polish the car with that dirty pad...afterwards looked like someone swirl-keyed the car in some places, and was swirled pretty badly pretty much everywhere else. It ended being incorrectable and required a full respray to the tune of over $10k (by a BMW certified shop). Of course, not all mobile detailers are bad, and honestly most are darn good especially if you don't care about show car results.

Thanks for the info, all (and for the offer on the garage [MENTION=99383]amalik[/MENTION])!

The all day thing makes me wonder then since I know it's a no no to wash your car when it's sitting in the sun. Sounds like it's either do it in a garage or pay someone else. At this point, I might just wait to buy a polisher until I have a full garage to park in (medium term life goals).

Then again, how the hell is a mobile detailer going to do it if it's out in the sun too?

There are precautions that can be taken to wash a car out in the sun - you really just have to keep it wet down, letting it air/sun dry is what you don't want. Polishing is a different story, since paint temperature is a big factor at that point. I'm a huge advocate for DIY, but in your situation I think I would lean towards having a reputable detailer take care of the truck assuming the price was reasonable (should only run a few hundred dollars to have it polished and all). I fear that you would get frustrated trying to get it done outside. I think if I were in your shoes and I did decide to DIY I'd do it a panel at a time - wash, clay, polish, and seal the hood one day, fenders the next, etc.
 
To put it shortly, they set the polisher on the ground face down (you know that is the ultimate detailing sin from reading, I'm sure) and proceeded to polish the car with that dirty pad...afterwards looked like someone swirl-keyed the car in some places, and was swirled pretty badly pretty much everywhere else. It ended being incorrectable and required a full respray to the tune of over $10k (by a BMW certified shop). Of course, not all mobile detailers are bad, and honestly most are darn good especially if you don't care about show car results.







There are precautions that can be taken to wash a car out in the sun - you really just have to keep it wet down, letting it air/sun dry is what you don't want. Polishing is a different story, since paint temperature is a big factor at that point. I'm a huge advocate for DIY, but in your situation I think I would lean towards having a reputable detailer take care of the truck assuming the price was reasonable (should only run a few hundred dollars to have it polished and all). I fear that you would get frustrated trying to get it done outside. I think if I were in your shoes and I did decide to DIY I'd do it a panel at a time - wash, clay, polish, and seal the hood one day, fenders the next, etc.



Good points, but now you got me intrigued by the idea of doing it in sections! I didn't know that was an option, and that honestly makes it seem like a less daunting task overall.

I guess I'd start with the roof and/or hood one evening, and then work my way down over the course of the week. The shade starts taking over the driveway with a couple hours left of daylight, plus the hood I could do in the garage.

Any tips on buying the supplies needed, or just go with the recommendations of the sites you guys have sent over? Locally I'm limited to Autozone, oreilly's, and advanced. Otherwise, I can buy other stuff on Amazon, but not get it until the weekend is over.

Part of my hesitation to just take it to the detailer I've been eyeballing for working on my Golf is that once I drop my car off, I'm stuck for the day. I dunno. It's a pickle.
 
Doing it in sections is not commonly done, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with it as long as you make sure you stay within the panel you are working or overlap onto adjoining ones during the wash and clay process to ensure you do not end up polishing paint that has not been cleaned and prepped properly.

I typically purchase professional grade polishes and waxes in larger quantities, but I steer my friends who are interested in DIY detailing toward their consumer versions. The best place I've found to purchase polishes and waxes is actually Wal-Mart, as their prices are typically the same or slightly higher than Amazon, but much lower than auto parts stores. Here's what I typically recommend picking up at Wal-Mart:

Meguiar's Ultimate Compound (aka UC, equivalent to professional line M105)
Meguiar's Ultimate Polish (aka UP, equivalent to M205, it is the second step polish, and brings back a lot of depth that a one step like M105/UC cannot)
Meguiar's Ultimate Wax (can't remember the professional equivalent offhand, but it is actually a sealant, which lasts far longer than any conventional wax)
Meguiar's Ultimate Car Wash (it's the bright yellow one)
Meguiar's Ultimate Quick Detailer (if you purchase a clay package that comes with a quick detailer, you don't need this)
Two 5 Gallon buckets (if you already have some, make sure they are clean before washing the car)
Spray nozzle for your hose (if you don't already have one)

Now, as far as things I would purchase from Amazon:

First section is everything needed for polishing and waxing, minus the aforementioned polishes and wax, as well as things that I assume you already have, like an extension cord. Do note that you may be able to purchase a bundle through Amazon or detailing-specific websites that comes up cheaper than this, and includes everything below except for the towels. Checking around to see what kind of specials are going on never hurts.

Polisher: http://amzn.to/29SAbj4
Backing Plate: http://amzn.to/2a3XIsV
Cutting pad: http://amzn.to/2a2eGxA
Polishing pad: http://amzn.to/2a8KfDE
Wax pad: http://amzn.to/29SAmuS
Microfiber towels: http://amzn.to/2a8Koaa

Second section is the wash and clay section:

Wash Mitt: http://amzn.to/29Wp30b
Clay Kit: http://amzn.to/2a8KCy3

Now here's the general process I would use to correct the paint on the body of the vehicle, doing one panel per day. If your truck is fairly dirty at the moment, wash it how you normally do a day before you start just to remove the excess dirt. Please don't use this as your only guide, though...I will link some good videos below for you to take a look at so you can familiarize yourself with procedures.

Washing:
1) Spray down the panel
2) In one five gallon bucket, put your wash mitt along with some car wash soap and fill with water, making sure to allow the soap to foam
3) Fill the other five gallon bucket with water
4) Take wash mitt, soap up the panel in question, rinse (note that you do want to overlap a bit onto the adjoining panels during this washing process)
5) Rinse wash mitt in bucket full of water

Claying:
1) Soap up panel again
2) Take clay bar and tear in half
3) Roll clay bar into a ball, and flatten like pancake
4) Begin to rub the clay bar with light-medium pressure on the panel. It it sticks, use quick detailer to spray down and lubricate the pannel
5) After claying the entire panel, inspect clay bar. If it is quite dirty, save aside to be used on dirty parts of the vehicle (underside of bumpers, rocker panels, etc). If clean, save in plastic bag for use on another panel.
6) Wash panel again with soap to remove any residue, rinse.
7) Dry with a soft towel that has some sort of pile, not a chamois. A microfiber towel can be used to dry if you don't have the type of towel I am talking about.

Polishing - watch lots of videos on how to polish, as it is a difficult process to explain in words without video or pics. However, here are the combos of polishes and pads I would use. You don't have to use a two step polishing process, but I do recommend it since you are doing only one panel at a time and should have plenty of time to take the extra step.

First step: Ultimate Compound, microfiber polishing pad (the fuzzy one), speed 5 or 6 on Porter Cable
Second step (optional, but recommended): Ultimate Polish, foam polishing pad, speed 6 on Porter Cable

Just a few tips on polishing: remove polish immediately, do not let it sit like wax; before turning on the polisher, make sure that it is flat on the paint, or you will sling product everywhere.

Waxing:
Use the polisher on speed 2 or 3 to wax the paint, using the red wax pad and the Ultimate Wax. Use same pattern as polishing. I recommend doing two coats to ensure good coverage, especially after a polish. Again, watch some videos on this process as well.

And now repeat on every panel! It might seem complicated, but once you watch some videos it'll make a lot more sense, and once you have some practice you'll be able to plow through detailing jobs. If you can post up some pics of your 4Runner's paint (similar to the Camry one I posted) I can give you some specific advice on how to tackle yours. Problem spots are typically the roof and hood as far as fading is concerned, as well as the rockers and lower doors since they often get tar stuck to them (removed fairly easily via WD40).

Here's a couple videos to get you started:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgeOXulAZC8 (this whole series is great, along with most of their other videos)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWmtLSQYbys (check out other videos on this channel for a lot of extremely in-depth videos and techniques, both interior and exterior)

That was a wall of text, so let me know if you have any questions or need any help; I'm always happy to assist!

Good points, but now you got me intrigued by the idea of doing it in sections! I didn't know that was an option, and that honestly makes it seem like a less daunting task overall.

I guess I'd start with the roof and/or hood one evening, and then work my way down over the course of the week. The shade starts taking over the driveway with a couple hours left of daylight, plus the hood I could do in the garage.

Any tips on buying the supplies needed, or just go with the recommendations of the sites you guys have sent over? Locally I'm limited to Autozone, oreilly's, and advanced. Otherwise, I can buy other stuff on Amazon, but not get it until the weekend is over.

Part of my hesitation to just take it to the detailer I've been eyeballing for working on my Golf is that once I drop my car off, I'm stuck for the day. I dunno. It's a pickle.
 
Thank you so much for the write up! I just wanted to mention that, but haven't had a chance until now!

So.... we're about a year in (almost) from [MENTION=86041]Mc1337sauce[/MENTION]'s epic steps and advice, have you followed any yet? :P

I've learned quite a bit from Autogeek, Ammo NYC, and others the last year, but still haven't bought too many products yet. Hoping to get a little 'detail' dirty this summer. Leaning towards an AIO correction than a multi-stage with the DA when I get there for the sake of time and the vehicle (20 year old 3rd gen).
 
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So.... we're about a year in (almost) from [MENTION=86041]Mc1337sauce[/MENTION]'s epic steps and advice, have you followed any yet? :P

I've learned quite a bit from Autogeek, Ammo NYC, and others the last year, but still haven't bought too many products yet. Hoping to get a little 'detail' dirty this summer. Leaning towards an AIO correction than a multi-stage with the DA when I get there for the sake of time and the vehicle (20 year old 3rd gen).

Sadly, no. The lack of a garage is killing me, but I saved his instructions to a word doc anyway. It will be one of the first things I do when I finally get a nice garage.
 

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