First offroad with my new baby

jhmoore

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Am a couple weeks into owning my first T4R and first off-road capable vehicle. To be clear, I am *not* an off-roading guy and I am *not* experienced with off-roading. I'm someone who has spend years jealously eying unpaved roads while out on nature photography trips... and now I'm going to try to learn how to safely get down some of those roads...

I'm in San Diego, so to kick it off, I thought that I'd just do a day trip out to Anza-Borrego Desert State Park and "see if I could get the thing stuck." I was *kidding* about that last part... ;-)

Had two trails in mind--one short & easy, one longer & less easy... though still theoretically rated as an easy trail.

Font's Point -- 4 miles of sand road that is deep sand in a couple places. Some people try it in regular cars. Some people make it in those regular cars... some don't! No problem there and a fun first drive with my youngest, who was very excited to go give it a try. How I ended up with a 10 year old who is gung-ho to pile into the 4Runner and go just about anywhere, so long as all the windows are rolled down and we're cranking the Eagles, I have no idea!

Sandstone Canyon -- something like 10-11 miles out Fish Creek Wash, then the canyon itself. We got a couple miles up the wash... with me occasionally thinking, "dang, I hope my stock tires are OK for this!" or "wow, that was deep sand" or "uh, should that be WET?"... up to around the wind caves area, when we came across three Jeeps... two of them working at winching out the third, which was up to its frame in mud on the driver's side.

We stopped and talked with them and checked out the mud. MUD?? In Anza-Borrego Desert in summer??? And decided that maybe being 10+ miles up a wash BY OURSELVES wasn't a great idea, so we turned back.

Got back out OK.

Thoughts on the adventure:

1. Are my stock tires OK for something like that wash?
2. I've been out and about in nature a lot over the years, more on foot, and absolutely know to check the forecast when in any kind of canyon or wash... but it never occurred to me to check whether there had been RECENT flash flooding. It turns out that Fish Creek Wash flash flooded and was a river just four days ago... thus the mud. Note to self: recent past may be as important to check and immediate future.
3. I can see the advantage in traveling in packs. Friends with winches seem like good friends to have! Having been forced to watch one of the Jurassic Park movies over the weekend, the three Jeeps kind of reminded me of a pack of velociraptors...

Some photos...

2nd to last photo: I didn't really plan on mud... oh, well, guess the mats will need cleaning now!

Last photo: I stopped at a self-service car wash on the way home... power sprayed the back hatch a ton because dirt kept washing out of it... yet this morning, there was still dirt that had managed to find its way down to the back step!
 

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Did you air down your tires at all?

I did not. Fish Creek Wash was more “real” than I expected it to be. Need to learn under what conditions to air down and to what PSI, and figure out how to get air back in. I plan on driving back to Eureka Dunes in Death Valley (from the north) and to the Patriarch Grove (Ancient Bristlecones) later this month, so should figure out if necessary for those and prepare by then...
 
I love this thread for a couple reasons but mainly because you're asking how to do it correctly rather than going gung ho, you're starting small and working up, and you seem to have the common sense trait. That alone will get you a long ways.

Following this thread. I'm very familiar with the outdoors such as yourself, do a lot of outdoor photography, any basically learning all over again. Years ago I built a Jeep and learned how to make it work over time. My 4r is new to me so starting fresh with a more mild rig.

Great thread and post!

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I did not. Fish Creek Wash was more “real” than I expected it to be. Need to learn under what conditions to air down and to what PSI, and figure out how to get air back in. I plan on driving back to Eureka Dunes in Death Valley (from the north) and to the Patriarch Grove (Ancient Bristlecones) later this month, so should figure out if necessary for those and prepare by then...

An all terrain tire would help, airing down will help, and you can get an inexpensive small compressor from harbor freight to get air back in. Stick around and keep reading on this site and you’ll be spending money on all kinds of stuff soon enough...

Oh and Welcome!
 
Sounds like you had fun.

I just put my new tires on today. That said, I was amazed at what I was able to do in the stock tires. With only airing down, a lift and air locker helped on the most recent trip. I was able to do all the cleghorn offshoots on the stock tires when we went out. No issues in Gorman either.


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Nice! I would defiantly do some reading and research on the forums. I myself just last week too my 4 runner beach driving for the first time.

Defiantly will want some all weather mats, I strongly recommend the Husky's over weather tech. Better build and design and cheaper.

All Terrain tires are must I would go with a LT tire over a P
Get the basics recover strap, some shackles tire gauge and compressor set up. I have seen a lot of Viair compressors used. I am still shopping myself its an option but I haven't picked on yet.
 
Great stuff! We are loading up next month to head out west and hit some forest service roads and trails in our new and first 4Runner. We have always looked at renting Jeeps and decided we'd rather put that money in to some good AT tires for our own rig. :) We'll take it easy until we get the feel for it, but adventure awaits friends!
 
Defiantly will want some all weather mats, I strongly recommend the Husky's over weather tech. Better build and design and cheaper.

+1 for Husky liners over weather tech. The huskies I have look brand new after just a quick pressure sprayer wash despite being over 3 years old. Plus they are form fitted better than weather tech IMO.
 
[MENTION=68953]jhmoore[/MENTION] It's great to see you getting out and having fun with the temp tags still on. [MENTION=91899]Jhalko[/MENTION] gave you some great advice. Get some AT tires and a cheap air compressor and the 4runner will take you as far as you are willing to go. There are so many tire choices and tons of info/threads on here, just pick which one suits your needs best. I got 25k out of my OEM tires and probably took them places I shouldn't, but the AT tires are the best upgrade you can make. As for the air compressor I got this one at Pep Boys 3 years ago when I first bought my 4runner and it has served me very well and is still going strong. They often have coupons and discounts on it as well.

(Looks like it's currently on sale for $60)
https://www.pepboys.com/product/details/9357343/00387

Welcome to the Club! :lookout:
 
Nice! I would defiantly do some reading and research on the forums. I myself just last week too my 4 runner beach driving for the first time.

Defiantly will want some all weather mats, I strongly recommend the Husky's over weather tech. Better build and design and cheaper.

All Terrain tires are must I would go with a LT tire over a P
Get the basics recover strap, some shackles tire gauge and compressor set up. I have seen a lot of Viair compressors used. I am still shopping myself its an option but I haven't picked on yet.

You do a lot defiantly...

:lol:
 
I got a hundred bucks a piece for the stock tires, after 400 miles, from a local tire shop. Cooper AT/3s replaced with a C rating. Peace of mind with a tougher tire was my first priority.


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Great pics, John!

For the places you went, stock tires are fine. Off-road tires would be better of course, and will get you to more places and out of more situations.

Trail conditions in the desert can change a lot on any given trail depending on the time of year and recent weather.

Definitely gotta watch the weather, past/present/future, to avoid problems with thunderstorms in the summer. Even if the trail is currently dry, it may be very washed out and rough if a storm came through recently.

Sounds like you are taking the right approach to developing your off-road skills -- using your head, not being over-confident, not "biting off more than you can chew."
 
Nice pics! Thanks for sharing. What none of the Jeeps has their vehicle “posed” with one of the front tires up on a rock or something? Good thing none of the other Jeep brethren saw that! I have read about the Anza area, how far out of San Diego is it? I am here in Arizona.
 
Welcome,

That was a great post! My advice is as follows :horn:

1) Use the search function for this site as the 5 gen has been around long that most anything you want to do to it has been done.
2) Yah, the tail gate bleeds dirt, no way around it and no way to mitigate it that I have found. I can rinse until I get clear water and still find dry dirt the next day. Never mind the spots on the back glass as it is a spot magnet.
3) Posting with pictures you take makes the site happy :art:
4) Group travel is your biggest safety net (as you saw).

Best of luck!
 
John, Welcome. If you want to get a feel for your rig you might want to take an off road driving class. check out "Badlands off road adventures".
They have classes in Anza Borrego and in Gorman.
Look at there web site.
I'm not associated with them.
 
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