first oil change - new 4runner - before 10k?

[jakobe]

I got a new '22 TRD Off Road and I got a total of 4 oil changes to be completed at 10k mile intervals through toyota dealership. I just called in to see if I have the freedom to use those 4 oil changes whenever I want or if I gotta come in around the 10k mile intervals. Turns out I can freely use them... soo question..

To me it seems crazy to wait 10k miles for an oil change even for full synthetic. Should I want to change it prior to 10k on the new rig? Am I wasting an oil change? I'm at 6k miles now.

Input appreciated.

 

[Harrisnc]

I change my oil and rotate my tires every 5k. Easy to remember. I usually do the first oil change at 1500 or so for breakin. Probably not needed but gives me piece of mind.

 

[02SE]

I like to get the oil out fairly early on a new engine. I did mine at 1k miles. There is always some break-in material caught by the oil filter. Which is easy to check with the cartridge filter on the 5th gen.

I also did the oil change myself, as I don't need some overly enthusiastic lube-tech kid stripping my skidplate fasteners, or over-torquing the cartridge filter cap.

Endless accounts on here of stripped skidplate bolts, and over-torqued filter caps, by dealership lube-tech hacks.

Back when I was a mechanic at a Toyota dealer, it was rare to find a lube-tech who took pride in doing it correctly.

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

I do mine every 5k


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[jakobe]

I change my oil and rotate my tires every 5k. Easy to remember. I usually do the first oil change at 1500 or so for breakin. Probably not needed but gives me piece of mind.

Do you use fully synthetic and still change every 5k?

 

[seatia]

I like to get the oil out fairly early on a new engine. I did mine at 1k miles. There is always some break-in material caught by the oil filter. Which is easy to check with the cartridge filter on the 5th gen.

I also did the oil change myself, as I don't need some overly enthusiastic lube-tech kid stripping my skidplate fasteners, or over-torquing the cartridge filter cap.

Endless accounts on here of stripped skidplate bolts, and over-torqued filter caps, by dealership lube-tech hacks.

Back when I was a mechanic at a Toyota dealer, it was rare to find a lube-tech who took pride in doing it correctly.

:bravo:


I always do the first change at about 200 miles and then at a 1000 miles. Mobil1 is fine. Walmart has 5qt jug for $25.00
Cheap insurance.
Freshly machined surfaces wear in to each other and shedding metal particles are part of that procedure.
The cleaner the oil, the better.
I also change the drain bolt to a magnetic one. Amazing how much it catches.

 

[Whippersnapper02]

I did my own at 5K miles. People wait until 10K without issues.

 

[Planetcat]

I will do a full oil and diff fluid change when I hit 1,000 miles or so on my 2022. It can't hurt, and I won't be surprised to see metal shaving coming out of the diffs and even engine oil (if I can see it). But I'm ocd about breaking in my motorsport vehicles and cars. Peace of mind that the factory lubes and new parts slag is gone and clean, high quality oil going forward.

 

[jakobe]

I will do a full oil and diff fluid change when I hit 1,000 miles or so on my 2022. It can't hurt, and I won't be surprised to see metal shaving coming out of the diffs and even engine oil (if I can see it). But I'm ocd about breaking in my motorsport vehicles and cars. Peace of mind that the factory lubes and new parts slag is gone and clean, high quality oil going forward.

diff fluid change that early seems overkill.

 

[FoxtrotRomeo]

diff fluid change that early seems overkill.

I would tend to agree. However, peace of mind is in play. And, BMW M-cars say to change theirs after 1k miles or so....just sayin...

 

[Whippersnapper02]

diff fluid change that early seems overkill.

It is.

 

[bill444]

I would get it changed every 5K miles or every 6 months, which ever comes first.

IMHO, oil is cheap and 10K miles is an unnecessary gamble if you intend to keep your truck for a long time. Even if you're only going to keep it 100K-200K miles, you're still reducing the odds of minor problems in later years.

While a lot of people go extended intervals on certain maintenance items with no reported issue, they are often not keeping their vehicle long enough to prove that out one way or the other.

Keep in mind the dealership is most likely using bulk oil (not Toyota's Mobil 1 formula or a premium brand). I would not use that oil for extended intervals.

 

[Mark4runnar]

I have a 2014 with 145,000 miles on it, and just picked up a TRD PRO in March.
I do the first oil and filter change at 2000 miles and then at 5000. From that point fwd I do oil and filter every 5000.

I have recently been talked out of using dept store Mobile 1 (by the gang in this forum - lots of data and a poll that shows its a top choice) The fact base is convincing - the dealer sold Toyota Brand 0/20 is made by Mobile, but does not contain the same additives as the Toyota dealer supplied 0/20.

I use Toyota OEM oil filters, and switched out the plastic oil filter holder / housing for the aluminum OEM part. To be fair the plastic one on the 2014 was showing wear after about 10 oil filter changes ~ 45,000 miles, as a result of doing oil and filter changes. I had read about them becoming fatigued / stripped and wanted to avoid a nightmare of not being able to get it off.

As you see above - dealer lube guys are lees than careful when dong a oil change, over torquing - filter housings / casings, drain plugs, and of course "stripping the bolts that hold the skid plates" in place.

So.... I do my own work --- I feel blessed, because I have a killer garage / guy cave, and actually like doing small projects. It's also good to get underneath the 4runner and check all fluids, and easy to access components like the air filter ----just avoids surprises.

Hope that helps------ and congrats on the new 4runner!

 

[bill444]

I have recently been talked out of using dept store Mobile 1 (by the gang in this forum - lots of data and a poll that shows its a top choice) The fact base is convincing - the dealer sold Toyota Brand 0/20 is made by Mobile, but does not contain the same additives as the Toyota dealer supplied 0/20.

As you see above - dealer lube guys are lees than careful when dong a oil change, over torquing - filter housings / casings, drain plugs, and of course "stripping the bolts that hold the skid plates" in place.

So.... I do my own work --- I feel blessed, because I have a killer garage / guy cave, and actually like doing small projects. It's also good to get underneath the 4runner and check all fluids, and easy to access components like the air filter ----just avoids surprises.

+1 on DIY for an oil change, using the Toyota oil, and everything else Mark said.

I found that I can order the oil via parts.toyota.com for pickup at my local dealer at a significant discount. Not all dealers linked from that site offer the same discount so I had to use some trial and error to find the best one. I also had to figure out what part number my specific dealer will actually fulfill. (They will only sell by the quart part number - 002790WQTE01 for $5.88, YMMV)

It's more expensive than the Warren oil with a Walmart/Amazon/Kirkland label. Although, it's actually cheaper than the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5 quart jug on walmart.com and cheaper than some oil sold at auto store chains.

 

[Hammer0313]

I got a new '22 TRD Off Road and I got a total of 4 oil changes to be completed at 10k mile intervals through toyota dealership. I just called in to see if I have the freedom to use those 4 oil changes whenever I want or if I gotta come in around the 10k mile intervals. Turns out I can freely use them... soo question..

To me it seems crazy to wait 10k miles for an oil change even for full synthetic. Should I want to change it prior to 10k on the new rig? Am I wasting an oil change? I'm at 6k miles now.

Input appreciated.

If your at 6k miles I would change the oil; I did my first at 2300 miles and the oil filter had fine metal particles in it, looked like glitter in the oil there was so much. When the engine is new is sheds metal as the moving parts get married together.

 

[Ezlife45]

LIke several others, I'm on a 5K interval. The oil comes out black at 5K. I can't warm up to a 10K interval unless like the wife's old Benz that held 9 qts of oil for a 3.5L engine.

 

[nglayton]

That engine will last 200k pretty much no matter what you do with the oil. (short of running it dry)
By then most of you will have gotten bored and traded it off for the next 'new' fad

Blackstone oil report

 

[seatia]

I have a 2014 with 145,000 miles on it, and just picked up a TRD PRO in March.
I do the first oil and filter change at 2000 miles and then at 5000. From that point fwd I do oil and filter every 5000.

I have recently been talked out of using dept store Mobile 1 (by the gang in this forum - lots of data and a poll that shows its a top choice) The fact base is convincing - the dealer sold Toyota Brand 0/20 is made by Mobile, but does not contain the same additives as the Toyota dealer supplied 0/20.

I use Toyota OEM oil filters, and switched out the plastic oil filter holder / housing for the aluminum OEM part. To be fair the plastic one on the 2014 was showing wear after about 10 oil filter changes ~ 45,000 miles, as a result of doing oil and filter changes. I had read about them becoming fatigued / stripped and wanted to avoid a nightmare of not being able to get it off.

As you see above - dealer lube guys are lees than careful when dong a oil change, over torquing - filter housings / casings, drain plugs, and of course "stripping the bolts that hold the skid plates" in place.

So.... I do my own work --- I feel blessed, because I have a killer garage / guy cave, and actually like doing small projects. It's also good to get underneath the 4runner and check all fluids, and easy to access components like the air filter ----just avoids surprises.

Hope that helps------ and congrats on the new 4runner!

But this is from Mobil's website for those that have reservations concerning Walmart.

Shouldn't overthink this oil stuff, any synthetic with a timely change schedules will surely yield stellar results.

Mobil Site
Is the Mobil 1™ oil sold at Walmart the same?
“I have a question about the 5-quart Mobil 1™ motor oil jugs I buy at Walmart. Is the oil in the 5-quart Mobil 1™ 5W-30 jugs the exact same oil that is in the 1-quart containers sold elsewhere? I ask because I have heard that Walmart gets a cheaper formulation made to their specs in order to allow them to sell for less and you do not get the same quality of oil when you buy it. When I compared the labeling on the 1-quart containers at Advance Auto Parts to the 5-quart jug I got at Walmart, I noticed that the 1-quart container says ACEA A1/A5 B1/B5 and the 5-quart does not say ACEA at all. Both have the HTO-06 and are, I believe, both API SN and ILSAC GF-5. Frankly, I doubt that any company would risk their reputation by packaging a different product for a chain store under the same name but I thought I would ask.”

Paul Sceva, Plainfield, Illinois

Answer
You are right: The formulation and quality level of our motor oils are the same wherever the product name is the same, regardless of the package size in which it is sold. The difference in ACEA claims you are referring to sound unfamiliar to us. Was it the exact same product in both cases?

Is the Mobil 1™ sold at Walmart the same | Mobil™.

 

[sneal4600]

I changed my initial factory fill in our 2022 Trail at 2500 miles after a short break-in period. The oil and filter did not show obvious wear metals. I just changed it again after a trip from AZ to MI and then AZ to OR which put on 10,000 miles. Although the oil was dirty, the highway miles did not blacken the oil significantly. I would say 7500-10,000 intervals would be safe. A blackstone report would verify that.

DIY vs dealer: DIY is much more enjoyable knowing your 4Runner is not being pawed at by someone who may/may not know how to change oil. It is a little more cumbersome with the skid plate, but not bad overall. I do wish Toyota would not use the plastic oil filter housing. That looks to be a weak point.

 

[bill444]

Mobil Site
Is the Mobil 1™ oil sold at Walmart the same?

Never heard of the Walmart stocked Mobil 1 being different. Glad to know it's the same.

I think the comparison was being made to Toyota's oil, made by Exxon Mobil, vs. the Mobil 1 product. The oil made by Exxon Mobil with the Toyota label has a Toyota-specific additive package. I don't know that the additive is necessarily better. It's just what the engineers at Toyota designed for their engines.

I honestly don't know why Toyota makes it available for sale to the public since the service departments likely do not use it. I only use it when the price is about the same as something else I might buy. I don't buy a new vehicle often but I will pay extra for Toyota's oil for the first few oil changes on a new engine. I do assume this is what comes in the engine from the factory in Japan.