Florida School Shooting

[BrianSD_42]

I know that owning a car isn't an inalienable right given to us by the constitution

Not trying to pick on you but I assume upon second thought you realize that unalienable rights are not rights granted by the Constitution or the government. They are unalienable. That is the whole point.

For example:

they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

These natural rights are not "granted by the state" or the church but are instead unassailable rights given to every human who chooses to embrace or sieze them from their oppressors.

With that said the writers of the Constitution were careful NOT to include the language of unalienable when writing the actual bill of writes amendments to the Constitution. I take this to mean that the right to bear arms is not necessarily unalienable.

 

[Beaumont67]

FIRST:
Most of these school shootings, come from Single Mother &/or dysfunctional families.
- kids don't develop boundaries or learn empathy / single mothers don't do it...spelling future Trouble maker boys
- because many FM's today think, "I don't need a Man in my Life, to have a baby" / due to Govn. Welfare system
- Chris Rock once said, "you can drive a car with your feet, but its not a good idea"

Definitions - Empathy has many definitions that encompass a broad range of emotional states, including caring for other people and having a desire to help them; experiencing emotions that match another person's emotions; discerning what another person is thinking or feeling; and making less distinct the ...

SECOND:
ADHD Medication - aka Speed targeted to public school boys, is at epidemic levels to control young boys into female order of increased focus / started in the 1980's & continues today.

Ritalin is the common name for methylphenidate, classified by the Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule II narcotic—the same classification as cocaine, morphine and amphetamines.1 It is abused by teens for its stimulant effects.

THIRD:
Elimination of Male teachers in public schools & vanishing role models...important in young male development.

VIDEO:
Pieces of Hate: Episode 1 - Single Motherhood...An Ear for Men, founder Paul Elam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQS1Ho9LDxM

 

[Off-choader]

FIRST:
Most of these school shootings, come from Single Mother &/or dysfunctional families.
- kids don't develop boundaries or learn empathy / single mothers don't do it...spelling future Trouble maker boys
- because many FM's today think, "I don't need a Man in my Life, to have a baby" / due to Govn. Welfare system
- Chris Rock once said, "you can drive a car with your feet, but its not a good idea"

Definitions - Empathy has many definitions that encompass a broad range of emotional states, including caring for other people and having a desire to help them; experiencing emotions that match another person's emotions; discerning what another person is thinking or feeling; and making less distinct the ...

SECOND:
ADHD Medication - aka Speed targeted to public school boys, is at epidemic levels to control young boys into female order of increased focus / started in the 1980's & continues today.

Ritalin is the common name for methylphenidate, classified by the Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule II narcotic—the same classification as cocaine, morphine and amphetamines.1 It is abused by teens for its stimulant effects.

THIRD:
Elimination of Male teachers in public schools & vanishing role models...important in young male development.

VIDEO:
Pieces of Hate: Episode 1 - Single Motherhood...An Ear for Men, founder Paul Elam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQS1Ho9LDxM

great points i agree with everything but chris rock, this is also chris rock “ “I want to live in a world where an equal amount of white kids are shot every month” he continued “I want to see white mothers on TV crying”. ”

 

[ndcent]

Liberals: Gun violence is problem.

Conservatives: Well there’s like lots of motor vehicle deaths also what are we going to get rid of cars, lol maga.

Liberals: Funny you bring up motor vehicles, how about varying degrees of licensing for owning various firearms like with motor vehicles and insurance requirements.

Conservatives: uh no, bc maga and like center fires and a random bumper sticker slogan.

 

[Off-choader]

Liberals: Gun violence is problem.

Conservatives: Well there’s like lots of motor vehicle deaths also what are we going to get rid of cars, lol maga.

Liberals: Funny you bring up motor vehicles, how about varying degrees of licensing for owning various firearms like with motor vehicles and insurance requirements.

Conservatives: uh no, bc maga and like center fires and a random bumper sticker slogan.

Very close except I am conservative and my argument is, It's the bill of rights so suck it. Your solution sucks and heres your sticker slogan: don't tread on me bro

 

[Bodhi327]

Florida

If the police or FBI documented this kid he would have been flagged when he tried to purchase a gun. There are loop holes than can be closed, I have no problem with that but how many guns are in this country that have not killed someone. Once again a riot shot gun would have done much worse. So here is what happens, lets say Trump creates some of the toughest laws....States will turn around and take em to court. What about California?? They do whatever they want anyway.

 

[jordanrb81]

Not trying to pick on you but I assume upon second thought you realize that unalienable rights are not rights granted by the Constitution or the government. They are unalienable. That is the whole point.

For example:


These natural rights are not "granted by the state" or the church but are instead unassailable rights given to every human who chooses to embrace or sieze them from their oppressors.

With that said the writers of the Constitution were careful NOT to include the language of unalienable when writing the actual bill of writes amendments to the Constitution. I take this to mean that the right to bear arms is not necessarily unalienable.

yeah, it was late at night pretty sure an "or" would have made that sentence sail a little further. you right.

 

[jordanrb81]

If the police or FBI documented this kid he would have been flagged when he tried to purchase a gun. There are loop holes than can be closed, I have no problem with that but how many guns are in this country that have not killed someone. Once again a riot shot gun would have done much worse. So here is what happens, lets say Trump creates some of the toughest laws....States will turn around and take em to court. What about California?? They do whatever they want anyway.

while I agree with your sentiment I am not sure of the time line. in theory he could have bought the gun first at 18 and then over the last year, because now he is 19 said all the crazy things. I don't know how this particulars series of events played out. signs were missed that's for sure. the kid needed mental help perhaps up to and including being institutionalized. I still think the problem is the shooter not the weapon.

 

[BackOff]

Uber dropped the kid off at the school dressed in black with a rifle case...no red flag there either. Come on...really. No chargers against the driver.

We...well I do anyway, use the 'car deaths' as an example that's there are plenty of things out there to be scared of.
Even talking about the number of men, women and children killed in the name of God is a big no, no. Look that up for yourselves... No ban of religion.

We live in a disenchanted, drugged society now.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...1-6-m-over-next-decade-report-says/880887001/

Hell, in Oregon we still have open carry in all but a few cities.
I remember when Obama was out here for a school shooting, I think it was and was freaked out about it.

I believe in our constitutional rights but just like everything humans go to the extreme.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

We humans seem to have a hard time finding common ground any more... its just fight, fight, fight.
Maybe its always been like that, idk.

 

[RCFJ]

Liberals: Gun violence is problem.

Conservatives: Well there’s like lots of motor vehicle deaths also what are we going to get rid of cars, lol maga.

Liberals: Funny you bring up motor vehicles, how about varying degrees of licensing for owning various firearms like with motor vehicles and insurance requirements.

Conservatives: uh no, bc maga and like center fires and a random bumper sticker slogan.

Very close except I am conservative and my argument is, It's the bill of rights so suck it. Your solution sucks and heres your sticker slogan: don't tread on me bro

Lol he's got you pegged choader. Can you quote us some more bumper stickers - "bruh"?

 

[jordanrb81]

so call me crazy, or a jerk but i was suddenly reminded of this scene

The Newsroom Season 1 Episode 6 'Bullies'

The page views offset the ratings drop.
Is there any way of knowing if LollypopLollypop is 10 years old? Or a basset hound?
The reason basset hounds have such long ears is so they can waft up the scent when they're hunting. -
Is there any way of knowing? -
No.
Is there any way of knowing if LollypopLollypop - and SurrendrDorothee are the same person? -
No.
Who posts comments on the Internet more, - people who are content or people who are incontent? -
Mackenzie: Discontent. -
What? -
It's discontent, not incontent. -
It's about 30-1 incontent.
- Discontent.
Final question: In your wildest dreams, can you imagine Walter Cronkite saying LollypopLollypop as many times as I have in the last 10 minutes?
Not unless he was in an a cappella doo-wop group, no.
He wasn't. Here's what I'd love. You want to join the discussion, fine. I want to know your name, age, occupation, - and level of education.
- Oh, God. The thing about the Internet is it's a populist tool.
Populists have names, too. William Jennings Bryan, Will Rogers, me. - Will. - Unless you're Deep Throat or in the Witness Protection Program, anonymity is cowardice. You're in a mob. You're lobbing smack from the cheap seats.
Don't we have bigger fish to fry than the--
Yes, but we can fry more than one fish at a time.
And how could we possibly verify someone's name, - age, occupation, and level of education?
- Neal?
We implement a third-party verification service.
All you had to say was, "We can't" - and the conversation would have been over.
- So it is possible?
It's what the IRS uses when you're filing online.
Talk to me, Tonto.
- We can do it if you want. -
Oh, I want.
Won't the result be that nobody posts comments on our website anymore?

First of all, oh, no. What will we do without feedback from SurrendrDorothee? And second, the result will be our website will ghettoize every other website. The result will be civility in the public square and a triumph of populism. I'm going to single-handedly fix the Internet.
- What could possibly go wrong?

 

[LandCruiser]

Lol he's got you pegged choader. Can you quote us some more bumper stickers - "bruh"?

The constitution describes inalienable rights.

Gun ownership is one of them.

I shouldn't justify owning guns to liberals any more than I have to justify my free speech. It's how this country has been, currently is, and will continue to be.

 

[RCFJ]

It's how this country has been, currently is, and will continue to be.

Unfortunately.

 

[83Mule]

First, if the original purpose of the 2nd was that firepower equal to the potential Tyrant is required to insure Freedom, why would anyone say the police can have full auto guns and the Citizens should be denied even a Semi-Auto? Second, if We already conceded to laws and conditions that limit guns and yet they have not been used by the FBI or other departments through ineptitude and stupidity, WHY would we be asked to replicate and add to those laws and believe for a minute it would solve anything? The Liberals are asking for these very things......to which I say ''Go to Hell''.:hand:

 

[SaulG]

Lucky the assclown had no skills but he's a punk with "mental" issues everyone ignored or overlooked,so lets blame the scary AR15 or the NRA or _______________.
Wonder how many victims actually bullied him at all? Looks to be premeditated murder and he was caught in said act. Get a rope and save the state a lot of money.

 

[hikenbike]

Dude, no one ever mentioned banning or taking away your guns... A person with a violent history or a sketchy background, shouldn't be allowed to buy an assault rifle.

If every black man went out right now and bought an AR-15, they’d be banned by Friday.


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[Bodhi327]

If every black man went out right now and bought an AR-15, they’d be banned by Friday.


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That’s a new low for this thread. Racist and narrow minded.

 

[ndcent]

“The same people that said 13 and 14 year olds were perfectly mature enough to date Roy Moore are now saying 17 and 18 year olds are too immature to have opinions on gun control.”

 

[99problems]

The Texas Tower shooting is an interesting example because we know that the guy had been to the hospital beforehand complaining about his own mental health (specifically how he was having increasingly uncontrollable violent urges). From his Wikipedia page:
"
Medical history[edit]

Prescription vials at Whitman's home.
Investigating officers found that Whitman had visited several University doctors in the year before the shootings; they prescribed various medications for him. Whitman had seen a minimum of five doctors between the fall and winter of 1965, before he visited a psychiatrist from whom he received no prescription. At some other time he was prescribed Valium by Dr. Jan Cochrum, who recommended he visit the campus psychiatrist.[53]

Whitman met with Dr. Maurice Dean Heatly, the staff psychiatrist at the University of Texas Health Center, on March 29, 1966.[54] Whitman referred to his visit with Heatly in his final suicide note, writing, "I talked with a Doctor once for about two hours and tried to convey to him my fears that I felt come [sic] overwhelming violent impulses. After one visit, I never saw the Doctor again, and since then have been fighting my mental turmoil alone, and seemingly to no avail."[43]

Heatly's notes on the visit said, "This massive, muscular youth seemed to be oozing with hostility [...] that something seemed to be happening to him and that he didn't seem to be himself."[55] "He readily admits having overwhelming periods of hostility with a very minimum of provocation. Repeated inquiries attempting to analyze his exact experiences were not too successful with the exception of his vivid reference to 'thinking about going up on the tower with a deer rifle and start shooting people.'"[56]
"

I believe he even left a note asking for an autopsy to be performed, which found a tumor that may or may not have played a role in his actions (not for me to say). Ultimately it's now just another sad story mixing gun violence and mental deterioration.

 

[LandCruiser]

I believe he even left a note asking for an autopsy to be performed, which found a tumor that may or may not have played a role in his actions (not for me to say). Ultimately it's now just another sad story mixing gun violence and mental deterioration.

I can tell you right now that a brain tumor in the right spot can lead to hostility and paranoia.