Front End Parts

dogojoe96

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Well my factory ball joints and tie rods are finally too bad to ignore and need replacement. I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for and I want to use good replacement parts. I have had good results with Moog in the past.

So I'm looking for some reviews for these parts (longevity and price).
 
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Well my factory ball joints and tie rods are finally too bad to ignore and need replacement. I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for and I want to use good replacement parts. I have had good results with Moog in the past.

So I'm looking for some reviews for these parts (longevity and price).

I went for the beck/arnley for tie rods inner and outer, end links for the rear, and ball joints on all 4. I have moog tie rod sleeves. honestly moog and b/a are probably just the same quality. all of my b/a parts except for the endlinks were greaseable. My endlinks for the Front came from a Different manufacture and they were upgraded with blue polyurethane bushings and a blue grease boot; great quality but I don't have the boxes anymore so I am not sure to the manufacture. all of my parts came wrapped beautifully and the boots were held on with circular metal rings.


Bottom line I would recommend picking up b/a or Moog from rockauto. Rockauto also has a forum discount, 30 bucks or so for bjs. Some will tell you only oem for ball joints but I say hogwash... maybe on a gen 3... maybe... but I'm sure kidv or somebody else will chime in with a ruling on that but Moog and b/a offer grease-able Ball joints where as OEM are sealed I believe. Big fan of grease-able........ stuff..... :whip2:
 
Thanks for the reply. All my parts must be factory because none are grease-able. Hard to complain when I have 267,xxx miles on them. I too am a
"Big fan of grease-able........ stuff..... "
(who wouldnt?!?!?)

How long have you had those font end parts on? Can you speak for thier longevity? Ive read about guys who are yet to do ball joints years after replacing them and Ive known guys whose last only a year or two.

Also how do I get the forum discount from rockauto? They are the best price for all the parts I need.
 
They have been on my truck about 8 months and no issues but they did fix A LOT of issues. before she use to wander now I can go about 1/2 mile at 70 not touching the wheel. Tie rods are great, I came within minor adjustments just using a tape measure and my eye to garage align it to to get her to the alignment shop. Oh on a side note the B/A ball joints have nipples on the boots that allow for excess grease to shoot out. so if you get trigger happy on the grease gun you wont blow the boots out on the B/As, same on the tie rods


B/As also took the BJ spacers with no grief whatsoever. They are at a happy angle and show no sign of wear. GET THE TORQUE SPECS for the castle nuts on the BJs I stripped out a castle nut using the good-n-tight method.

I did find the B/As lacking just a little on the amount of factory grease, I topped them off after install.:thumb:
 
If you live in the US just get OEM parts. Yes they are more pricey but like you said you get what you pay for. If I didnt have to pay shipping and taxes and exchange from US currency to Canadian currency I would be getting all OEM parts no questions asked.
 
I can't resist to weigh in a bit here... I ran a Napa store for a bit, and if you want to go there, they have (usually) three options for chassis parts: Master Ride, Napa Chassis, and Altrom. All three options are available if you're going to a corporate store, or close to a distribution center. If you visit a privately owned store, they may have to order in the parts for you.
Master Ride is the same thing as Moog. Usually the cheapest of the three to buy from Napa.
Napa Chassis is made by Spicer, and is more expensive. I also believe it's a better part. They're (usually) re-engineered, so the parts are stronger than the Moog/Master Ride oem-equivalent parts.
Altrom is Napa's import line, and is the OEM part. Pricing should be between the Master Ride and the Napa Chassis.

If I was the Undercar Rep for Napa, I'd be able to tell you how any of these fit with Beck/Arnley. I only know how Moog fits into it, because we were competing with O'Reilly's down the street. What to I use? My '92 Gen2 has Master Ride parts going under it right now. I'm working on getting it out of the driveway and using it a bit, before sinking a lot of money into it. But my '06 F-150 has Napa Chassis control arms replacing the factory ones, since the Napa ones have a greaseable ball joint that is serviceable, and the factory one is only a complete unit and isn't greaseable. Again, that's the re-engineering that they do.

I agree you get what you pay for, but I would rather not spend a ton until I know I'm not replacing an engine, transmission, axle, etc.
 
I just put Beck/Arnely upper & lower BJs on my 95, they came marked 555 & MiJ.
I believe that indicates same mfg, if not spec, as OEM.
They came with plugged holes & zerks, roughly $30 each.
My 95 likely originals were zerked, I just feel like repeating, "don't grease the ball joint to the point you blow out the boot". A little goes along way, if you don't fill the boot the first time.

If you hold off on the work a couple years, I'll let you know how mine last. The original 555 lasted 20 years and could've gone further, on a largely non-abused truck. I hope to shave some time off that, and get them dirty.

I sent back some AC Delco's Pros due to a shipping schedule foobar on their part, pretty blue boots, 25% more money.

I replaced my originals simply because they were loose turning in most positions, then binding at the extremes, 20 years old, replace now rather than in the desert.

I used a large and small pitman puller to remove U&L BJs (you can borrow from many autoparts stores) , you will hear how hammers are tool enough but I disagree with nicking a bunch of stress risers on the expensive & hard to find ( good, anyway) steering knuckle.

Beating directly on the ball joint sucks because the angles and clearances are not very hammer friendly, and the fact both Control arms move takes a lot of the Force out of the the blows. Heat can be a useful idea but the grease and the boot burn up to make a major messy stink before the heat really does much good. My truck is low corrosion , so maybe I got off lucky with the potentially overmatched pitman pullers doing ball joint duty.

While the tie rod ends are fairly easy to check for looseness in the usual way (rock the wheel while grasping each joint)

also notice that there is both a Pitman arm (hanging from the steering assist box D side), and an associated idler arm & bracket on the passenger side.

My idler arm was slightly loose (alignment shop declined to do the alignment over it), hard to tell with out a helper, but hanging on the center link like a bench press and shaking did reveal it. You can buy the whole idler arm assembly anywhere from $14 to well over $100 and up & up, but internally the wear parts are only two bushings and a grease seal, which you can shop around and get from Toyota all for under $10 total. I'm going to try that route, will post if I get in there and become frustrated or disappointed.

It's interesting to note there is a screw on top of the power steering box designed to adjust steering play if the steering wheel feels somewhat vague
 
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Thanks everybody who chimed in on this one, it was what i was looking for and why I love this forum.

I ended up ordering all moog parts from rockauto and found a discount code that worked.
[MENTION=119664]HanginInUtah[/MENTION] that was super helpfull, I steered clear of my local Napa for this project because I was yet to read your post. Ball joints from them ranged from $12 to $88 and I just didnt want to jump to either extreme.

It's interesting to note there is a screw on top of the power steering box designed to adjust steering play if the steering wheel feels somewhat vague
that is something I may have to play with when I get everything put back together with new parts and see how it is. It is hard to diagnose steering slop or bad ball joints when the last 4 years part of my communte was on 10 miles of crappy county roads, even the past year and a half that I have lived in town, we have some poorly maintained roads and my tires have been wearing nice and even. Somewhat iconic because they have worn the best out of any vehicle I have had, even with those having new front end parts.
 

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