Fuel economy

B4chacon

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Hi all,

My brother in law told me this last weekend that if I put on smaller tires on my 2006 4Runner, that I would get better fuel economy. Any truth to this?? I am currently using blizzak P265/65 R18. If I go to smaller tire, will this do any damage to truck suspension etc. Appreciate it, Ben.
 
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There is some truth to smaller tires giving better gas mileage. Generally they are lighter. In your case, just replacing the Blizzak tires would help. I have those as well and always lose 1-2 miles per gallon when switching to them. They seem to have a higher rolling resistance. How you drive makes the most difference though.
 
I would say that is perceived MPG gain. When adjusting tire sizes are you adjusting your speedometer to match?


I went from a well worn out 265-65-17 (Dunlop AT20) to a brand new 265-70-17 (BFG Rugged Terrain) and with my uncorrected mph, I “lost” ~2mpg.
 
Hi all,

My brother in law told me this last weekend that if I put on smaller tires on my 2006 4Runner, that I would get better fuel economy. Any truth to this?? I am currently using blizzak P265/65 R18. If I go to smaller tire, will this do any damage to truck suspension etc. Appreciate it, Ben.

I would go with a more narrow tread...perhaps 255/65/18s...that will certainly help, but not as much as you would imagine...the best you could try first would be to make sure your tire pressure is near the max.
 
First of all, the people who say "you drive a SUV, why worry about gas mileage?" are fools in my opinion. That's like telling a cancer patient not to go to the doctor because it's terminal anyway.

EVERYBODY can save $$$$ by being fuel conscious. It doesn't matter if you drive a Toyota Prius or a Hummer H2...there is a lot of cash money to be saved by being fuel conscious. There are things you can do to all vehicles, and ways you can drive the vehicle, that will save fuel.

My experience over all the years I've been driving and modifying 4x4s is that going up or down a size in tires is generally equivalent to about 1.5 MPGs. So, you could save some cash by downsizing a little. And for the average U.S. driver, 1 MPG = $20 per month. So the savings is significant.

The Blizzaks are a winter tire, right? Those have very soft rubber compound which is terrible for fuel economy. If you don't truly need the winter rubber, you should go with a HT tire or a mild AT tire and stick to the size listed on the door sticker. I personally would never go smaller than what's on the door sticker because then your odometer will be racking up miles faster than actual and that hurts your value in the long run.
 
First of all, the people who say "you drive a SUV, why worry about gas mileage?" are fools in my opinion. That's like telling a cancer patient not to go to the doctor because it's terminal anyway.

EVERYBODY can save $$$$ by being fuel conscious. It doesn't matter if you drive a Toyota Prius or a Hummer H2...there is a lot of cash money to be saved by being fuel conscious. There are things you can do to all vehicles, and ways you can drive the vehicle, that will save fuel.

My experience over all the years I've been driving and modifying 4x4s is that going up or down a size in tires is generally equivalent to about 1.5 MPGs. So, you could save some cash by downsizing a little. And for the average U.S. driver, 1 MPG = $20 per month. So the savings is significant.

The Blizzaks are a winter tire, right? Those have very soft rubber compound which is terrible for fuel economy. If you don't truly need the winter rubber, you should go with a HT tire or a mild AT tire and stick to the size listed on the door sticker. I personally would never go smaller than what's on the door sticker because then your odometer will be racking up miles faster than actual and that hurts your value in the long run.



2005 V6, TRD exhaust, AFE CAI S2 and a couple of other minor mods....Last tank with 265-67/17" Michelin LTX2, mixed city and road run of 125 miles at 70-85MPH, and ten miles in 4Hi to lube the front drivetrain calculated average at 19.3.

Agree the driving a T4R, you need to put realistic expectation on MPH
 
Depends on what is meant by smaller...

A SKINNIER tire will give you a very slight increase in gas mileage because there would be less rolling resistance. But you have to watch out that you don't decrease handling. They'd also be better in snow.
 
4R gets pretty darn good gas mileage already for having as much interior space, GVW and towing capacity. I drove a Lexus RX for years with less space and less towing capacity that got 19mpg at best. I get 21mpg in my Runner on a regular basis. I keep cruising speeds close to the lower limit (stay out of the fast lane) and take my time getting up to speed from a stop.

The biggest deciding factor in MPG is going to be your driving style.
 
Hi all,

My brother in law told me this last weekend that if I put on smaller tires on my 2006 4Runner, that I would get better fuel economy. Any truth to this?? I am currently using blizzak P265/65 R18. If I go to smaller tire, will this do any damage to truck suspension etc. Appreciate it, Ben.

What kind of MPG are you getting now?

I like to do everything I can to keep my MPG up there but you also have to have realistic expectations. There are other factors besides tire/wheel size that will affect MPG like where you live, how you drive, whether your vehicle is a DD or not, etc. Hils and slow, bumper-to-bumper traffic or stoplight-to-stoplight city driving will kill your MPG, it's just a fact of life.

Another question would be: How are you calculating MPG? The most accurate way to do it is to always fill the tank the same way, preferably at the same station and around the same time of day (although IMO that's taking it a little too far...) Divide miles driven by fuel needed to fill the tank and that will give you your MPG. Of course, that only works if your odometer is accurate.

The odometer calculates your miles driven by the number of times the driveshaft or transmission output shaft turns. When you switch to a smaller tire, the odometer doesn't know you've switched to a smaller tire, so it's going to over-report the number of miles driven (the smaller diameter means the shaft turns more for each mile driven.) This will mean that when you hand-calculate your mileage, you will say "woo hoo! My mileage went up."

Because lets say there's a 3% error: You drive 200 miles but the odometer shows that you drove 206. You divide 206 miles by the amount of gas used, say 12.5 gallons ,and you get 16.48. In reality, though, you only drove 200 miles so your actual MPG was 16.

It works in reverse if you go to bigger tires. Because the speed sensor doesn't know you are running bigger tires, it will under-report the number of miles driven. Same example as above, except that you've gone to a bigger tire. The odometer shows you've gone 200 miles but in reality, you've gone 206. To get the proper MPG what you would have to do is compare the odometer reading to something that measures distance more accurately like a GPS.

(of course, some here might say "how do you know your GPS is accurate?" but at some point you just have to stop being so picky and just go with what you have. ;): )

Once you've got the multiplication factor, just figure it whenever calculating your MPG. Fill up at 300 miles (as shown on the odometer) with 16.5 gallons? 300 / 16 = 18.75 MPG.

But let's say you've figured there's a 4% error due to running bigger tires. So you should multiply that 300 x 1.04 = 312 miles, divided by that same 16 gallons = 19.5 MPG.

Finally, Ignore the silly dashboard "computer", it's worthless for calculating MPG. If you want real-time MPG data, you can get a Scangauge or Ultra-Gauge. I use both of them, the SG is in my T4R and the UG is in my DD Mazda. (Nice thing about the SG is that you can program it to show your automatic transmission temp as well.)
 
The best way to improve your MPG is to drive with the rear window down all the time. It'll force you to use a light touch on the pedal or breathe the rotten egg exhaust. :-)
 
The best way to improve your MPG is to drive with the rear window down all the time. It'll force you to use a light touch on the pedal or breathe the rotten egg exhaust. :-)

False I actually dont mind the smell of sulfur. . .is that awkward?
 
First of all, the people who say "you drive a SUV, why worry about gas mileage?" are fools in my opinion. That's like telling a cancer patient not to go to the doctor because it's terminal anyway.

EVERYBODY can save $$$$ by being fuel conscious. It doesn't matter if you drive a Toyota Prius or a Hummer H2...there is a lot of cash money to be saved by being fuel conscious. There are things you can do to all vehicles, and ways you can drive the vehicle, that will save fuel.

My experience over all the years I've been driving and modifying 4x4s is that going up or down a size in tires is generally equivalent to about 1.5 MPGs. So, you could save some cash by downsizing a little. And for the average U.S. driver, 1 MPG = $20 per month. So the savings is significant.

The Blizzaks are a winter tire, right? Those have very soft rubber compound which is terrible for fuel economy. If you don't truly need the winter rubber, you should go with a HT tire or a mild AT tire and stick to the size listed on the door sticker. I personally would never go smaller than what's on the door sticker because then your odometer will be racking up miles faster than actual and that hurts your value in the long run.

Truthfully, it depends. I'm one of those "if you're getting a 4Runner why are you concerned about MPG" people, and have no issue admitting it. Realistically I could improve my gas mileage by not driving to work and longer in town jaunts (I live less than a mile from work and travel rarely more than 10mi a week or so.) So for me a 1mpg increase or decrease doesn't matter since I'm already getting crappy mileage from my driving habits...

But honestly, if you're that concerned and obsessed over 1~2mpg then you're being way too sensitive for the vehicle you're driving. a 1~2mpg difference can be affected by things as simple as tire pressure and ambient air temperature and your mood that given day. Thinner, slightly smaller tires will increase mpg once you adjust for the new diameter and speedo offset... but then you lose a lot in return as well. A lot of hardcore off-road rigs run street wheels for better gas mileage and speed gains (it looks silly but it serves the purpose) and they gain a larger increase in mpg because of that but again its a trade off.

Point being if you're looking for significant, repeatable, and effective increases in fuel mileage on a 4Runner you're more than likely just trying too hard. No argument about saving money though, we can use extra cash, it just depends on how much effort you want to put in for than extra 20 or whatever miles.
 
I got it. Buy a 4Runner, then promptly swap out the wheels/tires and replace them with those dinky donut spare ones. That may help.
 

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