EddieV4runnin
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I wonder if 2016 MY will be included in the Recall on the future
Fuel Pump Recall
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15' SR5 4WD on the list.
Has anyone found a cost effective self fix for this? The dealership is charging $607 for the parts and another few hundred in labor. $1k fix if I don't want to wait.
We got family to worry about driving around. Any help or direction would be much appreciated.
If I've overlooked a thread on the forum about a fix then feel free to noob shame me, it's deserved. I will walk down the stairs of shame for you. :bounce:
Has anyone found a cost effective self fix for this? The dealership is charging $607 for the parts and another few hundred in labor. $1k fix if I don't want to wait.
We got family to worry about driving around. Any help or direction would be much appreciated.
If I've overlooked a thread on the forum about a fix then feel free to noob shame me, it's deserved. I will walk down the stairs of shame for you. :bounce:
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thennen
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You can go to Toyota’s website and enter your VIN to see if you fall within the recall. But the fuel pump recall is very recent, I believe. Plus, recalls are covered by the manufacturer.
El Dusty
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2015 SR5 owner here as well. There is no alternative to paying the stealership or your shop to replace the pump currently. Mine is recalled and pushing 95k miles and really not happy with their handling the situation. The original recall was published in January so it is older than some people think.
It get even better for us with 15' models as there is no "estimated remedy availability timing" if you have a 15' 4Runner. What a ****ing joke....
https://techinfo.toyota.com/techInf...echinfo/html/prelogin/docs/cp/20TB02tofaq.pdf
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thennen
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From the link you attached:
Q2: What is Toyota going to do?
A2: Toyota is currently preparing the remedy. When the remedy becomes available, any authorized Toyota
dealer will replace the low-pressure fuel pump with an improved one FREE OF CHARGE.
Now, I suppose there's no way to avoid paying the dealership to replace your fuel pump if your vehicle isn't included in the recall. Is that what you're wanting to do - just have them replace it apart from the recall?
I don't believe I've ever heard of an automobile recall that required payment from the owner.
Thank you. Yup, mine is 100% on the recall still with no fix.
Seven hells.... this is so frustrating we got kids in these vehicles!
Being that they are not offering a solution yet, we are left driving our vehicles with an unsafe fuel pump. Our only choice is to fix it ourselves and pay up, because they still have no found a solution for our year and model. Therefore they can't give us anything free yet.
thennen
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If Toyota hasn't formulated and provided an approved solution yet, then your dealership doesn't have one either. They can't run ahead of Toyota and offer you their own fix to a factory recall. The vehicle will still show as needing the recall work done. Not sure what Toyota might do if the dealership logged it as "recall" work without approval.
If they're offering to just throw in another fuel pump, and you feel unsafe enough that you're willing to pay for it, go for it. I wouldn't if it were me.
El Dusty
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Im sure at some point the remedy for the '15 will be out and I will be waiting until that is available at my local dealership. Im not concerned myself with the pump as I have put 80k plus on the vehicle without so much as a hiccup from the fuel system.
I was letting [MENTION=572674]eskewsy[/MENTION] know that if his dealership is offering to replace the pump at his expense then that is currently the only option. Although as mentioned I think it would not fix the recall as it would just show up as service work and not a recall procedure...
Something really isn't adding up for sure though. If the fix was that easy they would have the pump swap for the '15 listed with a date for the recall remedy. Something beyond just a fuel pump is wrong with the '15s is the only conclusion I can come up with as its set aside from all other years and models. Will be giving the Toyota recall number a call early this week to dig deeper.
thennen
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I agree, if it's a simple issue of a bad lot (or several), you'd think the subsequent pumps would be problem-free and usable. So maybe there's more to it.
ElectroBoy
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True. If anyone is anxious for a quick DIY fix:
- Do you know the specifics of how to identify a bad vs good fuel pump (part number, serial number, lot number, date code, manufacturer, etc)?
- Do you think dealers have a stockpile of “good” fuel pumps on hand and are willing to sell you one?
- Will the dealer certify to you that it will satisfy the recall and your warranty?
If you’re not sure of the answers, it’s best to be patient and let this play out per Toyota’s replacement schedule. Kind of like the Takata airbag recall.
Bimmer-Bob
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You can't pay to have it fixed because there is no fix yet. And when there is a fix, you won't have to pay for it.
El Dusty
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The '15 4runners have been neglected from the repair schedule with only a TBD date after 5 months of waiting. A dangerous airbag can be avoided by driving with extra caution, the unavoidable risk of a component like the fuel pump failing on almost 2 millions vehicles should be handled differently and should be subject to class action IMO. They know the dangers of a failure (crash & death) and they haven't advised people to stop operating. They refused to provide related crash and death data as well so we are left in the dark as to the actual risk.
Vehicles being added and removed from the recall list is only adding to the lack of faith in their ability to decide what is not safe or defective. I work in a similar Eng industry and faulty designs are taken out of service and repairs or replacements provided with all haste. Like another posted, he has kids riding around in his car that he knows could fail. We have industry standards for a reason and Im sure this is in violation on the mechanical and legal side so even when a solution is provided it will not be the end.
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thennen
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While most of what you say may be true, ElectroBoy is still correct in his response to someone saying they need to get this handled themselves. You can't fulfill the conditions of a recall outside of the stated recall parameters. You can replace parts, but you can't satisfy the conditions of the recall. You may even provide yourself a false sense of security by unknowingly swapping in a defective fuel pump.
I do disagree with this, though: "A dangerous airbag can be avoided by driving with extra caution". Ever been in an accident that wasn't your fault? Did you attempt to avoid it? And the curious thing - out of about 63 million recalls, only 8+ million airbags have been replaced, and that recall was issued in 2016. I imagine the majority of that is just negligence on the part of the owners.
El Dusty
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I agree on the differences between recall and elective replacement of the defective parts.
My issue was with him stating the we just need to be patient and wait just like the airbag recall. The airbags are a safety feature not a function of the daily / normal operation of the vehicle. My argument is that it’s not ok to sit and be patient, however poorly I stated it previously.
Again my opinion but it is not acceptable to allow defective & crash prone vehicles to be operated ever. Every day is another risk not only to us driving them but to Toyota for having such a slow and relaxed response...
I agree that something isn't adding up. It's very hard to find any sort of information on what to do or how to make sure my rig is and will stay safe.
Looking forward to your update, and thank you for taking the time to call the recall number to dig.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's a faulty fuel pump, technically couldn't I buy an aftermarket fuel pump (pay for it) and have it installed?
I rather be safe than wait for Toyota's legal team to decide what their most cost effective next move is.
Lester Lugnut
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You can, but it will be on your dime; not Toyota's and who is to say the aftermarket pump is any better.
Bimmer-Bob
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Which aftermarket fuel pump? Is there such a thing? And if there is, it’s probably a copy of the OE part and likely has the same defect. And what is that defect, by the way? None of us know. How can we or anyone else fix what’s wrong, if we don’t even know what it is?
In any case, I really think you are grossly exaggerating the risk. These types of recalls are very common these days, and are done out of an abundance of caution. There are lawyers and regulators somewhere imagining the worst case scenario. This recall is affecting cars at least as far back as 2013 - do you really think millions of Toyotas are going to have LPFP failures in the next couple of months? Even if your pump did go, you would be far more likely to just get stranded than have a catastrophic outcome.
In any case, I really think you are grossly exaggerating the risk. These types of recalls are very common these days, and are done out of an abundance of caution. There are lawyers and regulators somewhere imagining the worst case scenario. This recall is affecting cars at least as far back as 2013 - do you really think millions of Toyotas are going to have LPFP failures in the next couple of months? Even if your pump did go, you would be far more likely to just get stranded than have a catastrophic outcome.
