G-wagen V. Runner

jacal

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Thai,

You own both (jealous!)...personally I cross shopped the g-500 with the 4runner. I noticed a few things overall that lead me to my 4runner decision as an only vehicle. But I still see (and desire) that g-500 residing at my local MB dealer far to close to my home.

I was wondering, could you post a short comparison between the 2? I'm mostly interested in
Ride: city & hwy
Off-road: performance on difficult fire roads incl washboard at med-high speeds, difficult slow rock-creep, etc
Capacity: cargo, storage etc, comfort for passengers
Gas consumption,
Liveability stuff like that.


Thanks,
J.
 
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jacal said:
Thai,

You own both (jealous!)...personally I cross shopped the g-500 with the 4runner. I noticed a few things overall that lead me to my 4runner decision as an only vehicle. But I still see (and desire) that g-500 residing at my local MB dealer far to close to my home.

I was wondering, could you post a short comparison between the 2? I'm mostly interested in
Ride: city & hwy
Off-road: performance on difficult fire roads incl washboard at med-high speeds, difficult slow rock-creep, etc
Capacity: cargo, storage etc, comfort for passengers
Gas consumption,
Liveability stuff like that.


Thanks,
J.

You can probably find quite a bit of the information that you're seeking by searching some of Thai's older posts. I know he's posted that information already.
 
jacal said:
Thai,

You own both (jealous!)...personally I cross shopped the g-500 with the 4runner. J.

Note: i owned a 2002 4runner Ltd. 4wd (aka 3rd gen)

Ride: G500 is actually better on-road than my 3rd gen 4runner...possibly due to it's longer wheelbase and heavier weight. G is less bouncy for sure. Wind noise is surprisingly a bit better than 4runner despite boxy shape. Handling is about the same.

I did testdrive a 4th gen recently (2006 V8 4wd model). I am pretty sure that the 4th gen 4runner is significantly more comfy on the highway than my G. Wind noise is about the same. I think that if there was more windforce during the testdrive, the 4th gen would be quieter. Handling also favors 4runner, esp. if it has XREAS. My G feels more top-heavy around corners.

Off-road: For rocks & hillclimbs, the G is definitely better than my old 4runner. Over washboards, the G is also slightly more comfy.

As for the 4th gen, i have seen it off-road because we have several owners with one at our off-road meets. I doubt that 4runner can match G500 over rocks or hillclimbs. The ride over washboards probably favors 4th 4runner.

The G does beat 4th gen 4runner over most off-roading terrain due to it's three 100% lockers, solid axles, superior approach/breakover/departure angles, true ground clearance, underbody clearance (underbody of G is one of the cleanest of any SUV...nothing protrudes below frame), body clearance (rocker panel is higher), visibility (sit very high up with almost 360 visibility), and size. The G500 is about the same size as my 3rd gen 4runner...so, it can fit in tight places. Breather tubes (all 4) are located high up in the engine bay. The forged steel control arms are attached to the frame on the SIDE; thus, clearance over rocks is very good.

Cargo: G is actually quite big inside despite it's small size outside...cargo space is more vertical than horizontal. Cargo space is 45/79.5. This is slightly bigger than 4th gen 4runner.

Passenger room: G has much more room than my 3rd gen 4runner. It does have significantly less hip/shoulder room than the 4th gen 4runner because G is much narrower than 4th 4runner. Otherwise, legroom and headroom is better than any 4runner.

Interior quality: I do believe that the G is better than any 4runner in this aspect. I have soft-touch panels everywhere in addition to leather and wood. None of the panels are scratchable. I have carried some heavy & sharp stuff...scratches just get wiped off. Leather is soft & thick and has held up to punishment without any creases developing. This is actually even better than the Nappa leather in my old BMW M3. Wood panels are real, but look kinda fake.:( Stereo is quite good in G, far superior to my old 4runner and is easily on par with my brother's Mark Levinson system in his LX470.

However, to mix with the good, i have had 3 window regulator failures. This is a known problem with G. No fixes yet. Otherwise, i have not had any quality issues. Most factory quality mishaps have been fixed by end of 2003. My CD-ROM Navigation is truly pathetic when you compare with the systems from Toyota or Honda. Despite big cargo area, small storage space is at a premium, unlike the 4runners. Cupholders are OK, but certainly more of an afterthought. These are the price you pay for buying something that was designed in 1979!

Gas consumption: Oh boy, don't remind me! Definitely, any 4runner is much better than the G. I get about 10-11 mpg in city and 14.5-15 mpg on highway. Overall, with 75% highway driving, i am averaging 14.2 mpg.:( And it does require premium gas. I'm hurting these days.:(

Insurance cost: My G commands top-tier rate.:( It was a lot cheaper with my '02 4runner.

Overall, i love my G. It is both classy and rough & tough. It is unique...you don't see them everywhere. My G gets front parking at restuarants.:) I feel like Brad Pitt...without his good looks, Angelina (or Jennifer), and money!:D

And when 2010 comes along, there won't be anymore civilian G around. And right now, you can only get a G by special order through MB dealership. It won't be as popular on dealership showroom floors as before because sale volume has never been good with G (unlike LX and Range Rover). The main push from MB these days is the new GL-class.

However, if i were to start over, then i would not mind getting an '06 4runner. Or i would get GX470 with KDSS. Or FJ Cruiser. Would i get G again? Definitely, but with rising gas prices, i would probably hold off for now from buying any SUV. Maybe, i would get Lexus GS450h instead.:) Or a cheap off-roader like the new '07 Rubicon.

My opinion.
 
off road= g wagon all the way.

I love those things.

Hey Thai. You can do it all over..... I'll give you my 06 4runner for your G-500. Deal? :D
 
Mr. Lambdebois said:
off road= g wagon all the way.

I love those things.

Hey Thai. You can do it all over..... I'll give you my 06 4runner for your G-500. Deal? :D

Well, add in the fuel economy savings and lower cost auto insurance, it just might be an even deal!:D
 
Re: Re: G-wagen V. Runner

Interior quality: I do believe that the G is better than any 4runner in this aspect. I have soft-touch panels everywhere in addition to leather and wood. None of the panels are scratchable. I have carried some heavy & sharp stuff...scratches just get wiped off.

Very interesting about the durability of the interior panels. That brings to mind: any squeaks & rattles?

A friend and I feel we have been plagued by squeaks & rattles (our maximas, his muranos, my runner). Yet my wifes Jetta is solid 90% of the time. Strange, out of all the vehicles, the one that was abused most with the least "S&R" was my Ranger. Or maybe I couldn't hear them over the interior noise.


However, if i were to start over, then i would not mind getting an '06 4runner. I think that the '06 4runner is beautiful. Or i would get GX470 with KDSS. Would i get G again? Definitely, but with rising gas prices, i would probably hold off for now from buying any SUV. Maybe, i would get Lexus GS450h instead.:) Or a cheap off-roader like the new '07 Rubicon.

I am a new Runner owner, so I'll have to hang on to it for quite some time, but next time around the higher roofline of the gx470 would probably convince me. I need either an SUV or truck. My alternate was to buy a "soft-roader" or a high wagon, drive to the "parking lot" at the lake, then use a bush truck to finish the rest of the ride. Surprisingly it just didn't make much of a case for itself. And it seemed like although we could carry our stuff in the bush truck, most likely some people would be walking in behind it (only a couple km, but no fun in bugs or rain etc).

Thanks for the comparo - and I loved the videos.


J

J
 
Re: Re: Re: G-wagen V. Runner

jacal said:
Very interesting about the durability of the interior panels. That brings to mind: any squeaks & rattles?
J

Well, i do have one squeak since i bought it new 2 years ago. One corner of the wood panel around the COMMAND center is squeaking. I don't have the heart to let MB techs tear apart my center console to fix it. The squeak is not bothersome because it's not always there and the radio drowns it out at mild volume.

My passenger seat is rattling a bit within the past 2 months or so. I think that this is probably due to something loose. My truck has been abused (off-roading) recently so this is probably the culprit. In addition, i don't think that my tires are well-balanced. Thus, i may consider upsizing to 32" BFG AT KO anyway.
 
I forgot to mention that my G is also almost twice the price of a 4runner Limited! So, taken in that context, the 4runner is definitely a great buy (and bargain)! You get excellent capability, practicality, and Toyota reputation.:)
 
Price is always a factor. I looked at a beautiful used G-500. It was "around" $65K Cdn. It was narrower then I wanted. Ultimately the 4Runner was half that. Again, this isn't the same catagory of truck, just how it worked out for me.

I would have loved a hand built G, but our local MB dealership already tried to "gouge" a friend with his C-class on a couple major items. That lost them credibility in my mind. In addition, the G is so unique that I actually counted that as a point against it (again for what I needed/was looking for).

On the other hand, the G feels like your own personal tank.



J
 
If you were to look at a used G500 in the future, then i would stay away from 2002 and early 2003 G models. I would look at 2004 and later models...very clear improvements were made after 2003.
 

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