GM leading the way with EVs. No more gas cars by 2035. Can Toyota be far behind?

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GM Announces Goal to Eliminate Gas and Diesel Vehicles by 2035

Other GM news announced late last year that it will produce 30 new EV models by 2025.


https://media.gm.com//media/us/en/g...s/us/en/2020/nov/1119-electric-portfolio.html

DETROIT General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) Chairman and CEO Mary Barra revealed that the company will offer 30 all-electric models globally by mid-decade. Forty percent of the company’s U.S. entries will be battery electric vehicles by the end of 2025. Barra also announced an increase in GM’s financial commitment to EVs and AVs today to $27 billion through 2025“ up from the $20 billion planned before the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.
“Climate change is real, and we want to be part of the solution by putting everyone in an electric vehicle,” said Barra. “We are transitioning to an all-electric portfolio from a position of strength and we’re focused on growth. We can accelerate our EV plans because we are rapidly building a competitive advantage in batteries, software, vehicle integration, manufacturing and customer experience.”

https://www.gm.com/electric-vehicles.html
 
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I would not pay attention to what GM is doing. In fact I would probably do the opposite. The place is run by idiots and recently they broomed a whole bunch of Management (again). Every time this happens in the US automotive companies the people who have the experience to get things done are gone and the product gets worse and worse.
 
As much as I hate the idea of EV's, I wouldn't mind an American...ish company do well from it. They were the first big manufacturer to try it, at least on a larger scale, back in the early 90's.
 
Maybe they've fixed the problem of long charge times? Maybe they plan to have battery stations where you just swap in a charged battery pack and continue your trip.

Today, if you're out on the trail and happen to run out of fuel (dummy), you can just grab the 5-gallon can you brought with you, or call a friend to bring some. What about a totally electric 4R? Will there be the equivalent of a 5-gallon can of portable electricity?

While EVs are becoming popular, and they have their benefits, having access to physical fuel, plus the ability to easily transport it, is perhaps the biggest plus in my view.
 
GM: "EV's are cheaper to build, there are fewer parts, no emissions development/testing etc. so if we sold them at the same price or more as our gasoline cars we could make more money"

Public: "EV's suck. They take forever to recharge which means you cannot go on long trips with them and there is limited or no infrastructure to support them. In fact they are such crap you cannot unload them without a government subsidy."

GM: "Ok here is how we will do it. We will tell the government that the world is going to burn up in a huge fireball and all of the babies will die if we dont mandate EV's for everyone. We will make trillions and trillions of dollars and the stock prices will go through the roof and Ill be able to buy a bigger cabin on Lake Huron."

Public: "Didn't you hear what we said before? EV's suck and it will take decades to create the infrastructure to support them. BTW you are well aware that most electricity comes from fossil fuels and nuclear energy right?"

GM: "But we will make alot of money"

Public: "Yeah and if you make stuff people dont want to buy, the Pontiac Aztec and Buick Rendezvous come to mind, then the public will have to bail you out again after you flounder in debt and screw your suppliers out of all the money you owe them"

GM: "So whats your point?"

Public: facepalm



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There’s a lot of talk about range anxiety. But I don’t know if it’s that big of a deal. You can get 200+ miles now. Tesla is approaching 400 miles with the long range battery pack. I know people who travel on vacation, travel SF to LA, hit national parks, etc in an EV. You just need to plan your places and dining/break times to charge.

As far as an EV 4Runner, it could happen. GM is making an EV Hummer. Check out the embedded video.
2022 GMC Hummer EV Starts at $112,595, Cheaper Models Coming Later
https://www.gm.com/masthead-story/hummer-electric-truck-ev.html

It will be a new paradigm for driving. As far as running out of juice on the trail, imagine pulling out your solar panel, firing up your gas powered generator, cracking a beer, and waiting for your EV battery to charge up enough to drive out of there. We will adapt.
 
ElectroBoy said:
There’s a lot of talk about range anxiety. But I don’t know if it’s that big of a deal. You can get 200+ miles now. Tesla is approaching 400 miles with the long range battery pack. I know people who travel on vacation, travel SF to LA, hit national parks, etc in an EV. You just need to plan your places and dining/break times to charge.

As far as an EV 4Runner, it could happen. GM is making an EV Hummer. Check out the embedded video.
2022 GMC Hummer EV Starts at $112,595, Cheaper Models Coming Later
https://www.gm.com/masthead-story/hummer-electric-truck-ev.html

It will be a new paradigm for driving. As far as running out of juice on the trail, imagine pulling out your solar panel, firing up your gas powered generator, cracking a beer, and waiting for your EV battery to charge up enough to drive out of there. We will adapt.
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Your name says it all!
 
ElectroBoy said:
There’s a lot of talk about range anxiety. But I don’t know if it’s that big of a deal. You can get 200+ miles now. Tesla is approaching 400 miles with the long range battery pack. I know people who travel on vacation, travel SF to LA, hit national parks, etc in an EV. You just need to plan your places and dining/break times to charge.

As far as an EV 4Runner, it could happen. GM is making an EV Hummer. Check out the embedded video.
2022 GMC Hummer EV Starts at $112,595, Cheaper Models Coming Later
https://www.gm.com/masthead-story/hummer-electric-truck-ev.html

It will be a new paradigm for driving. As far as running out of juice on the trail, imagine pulling out your solar panel, firing up your gas powered generator, cracking a beer, and waiting for your EV battery to charge up enough to drive out of there. We will adapt.
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Well, I would say this is one of many examples of how people in California think they know what is good for everyone in every state coast to coast because it's "good" for California. Which often it is not.
 
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I bet in the next 10 years, we will see huge improvement ts in charging grids, charging times, and battery range/technology. I'll be all in, without a doubt. I just need range and camper-towing capacity (so I may keep my diesel truck thing going) but I'll be more than happy to go that route. Even Ford just brought out their PowerBoost hybrid that gets 24 MPG and is more powerful than the EcoBoost 3.5L (which isn't slow at all).

GM is trying hard to be there when it all goes down. Oil burners (percentage-wise in new car sales) are destined for the history books, and that is not a bad thing. More manufacturers will have to go down this road or risk becoming a Montgomery Ward. I bought GM stock 4-5 months ago too. :bluejump:
 
Flyer said:
I bet in the next 10 years, we will see huge improvement ts in charging grids, charging times, and battery range/technology. I'll be all in, without a doubt. I just need range and camper-towing capacity (so I may keep my diesel truck thing going) but I'll be more than happy to go that route. Even Ford just brought out their PowerBoost hybrid that gets 24 MPG and is more powerful than the EcoBoost 3.5L (which isn't slow at all).

GM is trying hard to be there when it all goes down. Oil burners (percentage-wise in new car sales) are destined for the history books, and that is not a bad thing. More manufacturers will have to go down this road or risk becoming a Montgomery Ward. I bought GM stock 4-5 months ago too. :bluejump:
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Good call on that stock purchase. :hatsoff:
I’ll have this 5th Gen 4Runner for many years but I can see replacing my wife’s aging car with an EV. Change is sometimes very good.
 
So a few years ago AAA did this report that electric car batteries have 40% reduced efficiency/ range etc in freezing weather be normal weather. For those of us who spend 1/3-1/2 the year with the possibility of freezing temps that’s a big deal

This guy did a video on a winter road trip with his Tesla

We’ll see what improvements are out there, but I think in general the tech that they develop takes about 10 years to integrate into consumer use, so the current research on batteries is likely what we’ll see in cars in 10 years, unless they’re able to change that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UskzfQJt2Bc&feature=youtu.be
 
Syr4RinNC said:
So a few years ago AAA did this report that electric car batteries have 40% reduced efficiency/ range etc in freezing weather be normal weather. For those of us who spend 1/3-1/2 the year with the possibility of freezing temps that’s a big deal

This guy did a video on a winter road trip with his Tesla

We’ll see what improvements are out there, but I think in general the tech that they develop takes about 10 years to integrate into consumer use, so the current research on batteries is likely what we’ll see in cars in 10 years, unless they’re able to change that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UskzfQJt2Bc&feature=youtu.be
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Thanks for that link to the video. He drove a 2500 mile trip in the winter. Never got stranded. Used a lot of juice staying warm and charged more frequently. Charge during meal breaks and bathroom breaks. And it cost him $177.65. Sounds like a successful trip. He was pretty pleased.

Comparing to an ICE getting 30 MPG with gas at $2.50/gal that would cost $204.08. With a loaded 4Runner getting 15 MPG the cost would be roughly double, ~$400.00.
 
ElectroBoy said:
Thanks for that link to the video. He drove a 2500 mile trip in the winter. Never got stranded. Used a lot of juice staying warm and charged more frequently. Charge during meal breaks and bathroom breaks. And it cost him $177.65. Sounds like a successful trip. He was pretty pleased.

Comparing to an ICE getting 30 MPG with gas at $2.50/gal that would cost $204.08. With a loaded 4Runner getting 15 MPG the cost would be roughly double, ~$400.00.
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While this guy is doing algebra and geometry in his EV clown car to determine a route to the next deviant filled rest area with a charging station and trying not to let the his EV car shit the bed, everybody in the their gasoline vehicle is taking whatever road they want and enjoying the scenery.

In my recent trip to Florida I didnt take meal breaks. I had a cooler and prepared sandwiches etc. It’s a 4Runner so I packed whatever I thought I might need without thinking twice. I had beach chairs, luggage coolers etc. I got to my destination in South Florida in about 16 hours and the fuel economy was over 20 mpg and if I had slowed down a little I could have gotten 23mpg like I have done before. Each way the gasoline cost me about $120 on a 1200 mile trip.

Once again if EV’s were so great everybody would own one already. They would be selling like iPhones. Instead EV cars are more like flip phones and yeah there are some people who think flip phones are the greatest. Most of us think those people are like the weirdos in “You suck at Walmart” videos done by the guy “Fluffy”.
 
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Ok, wave of the future, maybe replace the internal combustion engine one day...sure...

ive got two words for you


OIL Companies


BOOM - i win :boxing:
 
My experience: EVS are selling quite well, though still a minority of vehicles. I see them every single time I drive somewhere, even with gas prices staying so low. I live in Colorado and they are quite numerous here. In my cul de sac of 7 houses, there are two EVs and one hybrid. My neighbor is thinking about selling his Pilot and MDX to get a Tesla. I don't one one but I am looking at the trucks down the road. The Tesla and Rivian developments are very very interesting. One diesel buddy just sold his Cummins RAM since resale valuation is insanely high here right now and trucks are flying off the lots. He is convinced he will get the Rivian. This is a Cummins guy since 1995 or so. So the shift will continue...like it or not. When oil prices shoot up, it will accelerate.

I spent a couple of years traveling to NJ for a large consulting/accounting firm. Most of the time was spent in the Montvale and Ridgewood areas in 2018/2019. The parking lots were huge and every month, someone or other bought a Tesla. Once one partner got one, it started a trend in the building, it seemed. There were a couple of Volts but the Teslas were starting to become a gang. Just by looking around, I think there are far more (per capita) here in CO though.

All my vehicles are gas guzzlers but we both work from home and have no daily commute. If I had a commute, I'd consider an EV or at least a hybrid. It isn't to save money- I know EVs are expensive but more to reduce reliance on oil and hopefully reduce overall emissions over the life of the vehicle. I can bet that Toyota will start the move very soon- to hybrids for sure, and eventually to EVs as well, in every line. Oil companies are making the shift as well, though rather begrudgingly.
 
Fear of change.
 

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In spite of all the nay sayers Tesla broke the mold and is a mainstream car company. Ev tech is here to stay. GM will be wise to get into the Ev tech and sales. It's market share will definately benefit.
 
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