Brick Sprickly
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No, it's more like he doesn't like what other people say so makes antagonizing/trolling posts.
Go back and look for yourself. He doesn't even post about 4runners.
GM leading the way with EVs. No more gas cars by 2035. Can Toyota be far behind?
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No, it's more like he doesn't like what other people say so makes antagonizing/trolling posts.
Go back and look for yourself. He doesn't even post about 4runners.
I don't think anyone is denying that the M3P is fast and I don't have any qualms with Tesla, I just think they limit the driving experience and fun of modifying cars.
Every Tesla is only fast as what you paid the dealership for. So someone can go buy their Plaid+ S, M3P, or whatever but it won't be going much faster than that. You could have bought a clapped out fox body for 1000 and drop a twin turbo texas speed 427 in it and run laps around model s's all day. It comes down to personal preference.
I wouldn't mind a commuter car like that. Personally, I think its rather dangerous to sell cars that do 0-60 under 3s to a bunch of commuters but whatever.
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ElectroBoy
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Nobody Special
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The fact that people ignore the fact roads are paved with oil (asphalt/Bitumen) or which gasoline/diesel are basically byproducts of each other says a lot.
Concrete is expensive and takes long, but lasts longer.
Then the fact it takes about an average of 7/9 gallons of oil per vehicle tire.
Enter tires made of orange peels
New Tires Made of Oil from Orange Peels | Earth 911
Time to build more nuclear plants as some states have issues keeping power on without the increased load of charging vehicles.
Law of averages comes into play there.
Solar really isn't an answer as if you passed a solar farm where a pine tree farm once was, you can understand the clear-cutting and the rise of temperatures due to the radiation absorbing properties of the color black which is the color of solar panels.
Some Massachusetts Forestland Is Being Clear-cut To Put Up Solar Farms
Going solar isn’t green if you cut down tons of trees.
Down to Earth: A choice: forests or solar panels?
Utility-Scale Solar Vs Trees: A Fight that Shouldn’t Exist | EarthTechling
The Photovoltaic Heat Island Effect: Larger solar power plants increase local temperatures
Researchers discover solar heat island effect caused by large-scale solar power plants
Harnessing the sun with the blackest paint in the world
Large wind and solar farms in the Sahara would increase heat, rain, vegetation
(If rain falls where it didn't, like a desert, it will not fall where it used to, plains/cities.
Then we move into WATER WARS. :rain:
Nobody is paying attention to that yet, and desalination plants should be being built on the coasts and perfected at an increased pace, but they are not.
The real solution would be depopulation. :tape2:
Say via a virus, sterilization or war. :naughty:
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Nobody Special
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I took off over 13 years for financial independence.
It really wasn't a loss.
Nothing changed.
Discussions are useful.
Some people slowly learn pros and cons from them.
Nobody Special
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Electrified rails in one lane of a road would be an option.
Hop into the lane to charge, hop out when you need to go your own way.
But what will we be paving our roads with if not oil?
Roofing materials?
RAC?
Rubberized Asphalt Concrete (RAC)
ElectroBoy
Banned
Yeah, oil is actually a very precious commodity for industry, consumer goods, and medicine. And we burn up most of what we extract. Maybe we’ll be left with more as transportation and power generation practices change.
Those solar farm/forest issues are disturbing. But so are many other land use issues like oil and mineral extraction in national forests, BLM land, or national monuments in Utah (Bears Ears NM, Grand Staircase-Escalante NM). Or clear cutting forests for lumber in Canada or the PNW. Or clear cutting forests in other parts of the world to grow food, coffee, or poppies for cocaine.
From what I’ve read, most of the citing of solar farms is on private land. Capitalism and personal freedom vs public good comes into play here. Pros and cons, complexities, that’s why we have regulations and governments who we’ve hopefully elected intelligent people to, locally and nationally, in order to balance and decide the best course. And for us to get involved by voting their asses out when they don’t perform.
Nobody Special
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And they will probably dump the excess in waterways or burn it or something.
Most of those "private" farms need to be approved by municipalities, so they are in for it if they get their cut. Always follow the money, and you will find the motivating factors behind most everything.
Earth is just a giant recycling facility. In another 2,000,000 years, a map will not look the same.
She plows everything under eventually, new stuff "grows" from all the tectonic activity. That and erosion are the two major factors in "sea-level rise". It is just like how sediment displaces water behind a dam and decreases capacity. (And they are NOT maintaining sediment as they should be. $$$$$)
The real fact of the matter and root of most issues is the global population explosion.
Sad but true.
Modern medicine does so much to allow humanity to exist past our 30's and 40's (in the quest for immortality????)...
King Tutankhamun ruled for almost 10 years and passed on at 19....
ElectroBoy
Banned
Population problem... amen.
What’s interesting about oil production exceeding demand was what happened last year. Producers couldn’t sell enough or store enough, didn’t want to shut down wells because of possible damage when restarting, nobody was buying, so the price of futures contracts actually dipped below $0 for a while. Take my oil, please.
Oil for Less Than Nothing? Here’s How That Happened
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
LandCruiser
New member
I just hate electric cars. They are heavy and handle like trash.
I don’t care how fast Elon can make one of his poorly built Teslas accelerate, they are just miserable to drive.
Think of a 4Runner, just heavier and more ponderous.
And West needs to get off its cross and stop it with the eco-nonsense if countries like India and China and the entire African continent have absolutely no desire to go green, given they now make up 2/3 of the world population.
I don’t care how fast Elon can make one of his poorly built Teslas accelerate, they are just miserable to drive.
Think of a 4Runner, just heavier and more ponderous.
And West needs to get off its cross and stop it with the eco-nonsense if countries like India and China and the entire African continent have absolutely no desire to go green, given they now make up 2/3 of the world population.
Well, coal in finished and they say oil is next. Even in countries like China and India, EVs are becoming more and more popular (gas prices are much higher in India, for example). It is just a matter of time, before oil demand (the portion of demand due to gasoline) drops more and more. Since we hardly drive, our gas usage only comes into play in the summertime and early autumn weekends. I think we put in 3,500 miles on all our vehicles combined these past 12 months.
Like it or not...it is happening. Join the EV/hybrid movement or not...it is happening. There is zero doubt about that. Even Toyota is working with Quantumscape to develop better solid-state batteries, and Toyota is super conservative. GM/Fiat-Chrysler/Ford are all funding their EV programs with today's high-profit SUV/truck cash. Everyone is doing it. I am usually pretty resistant to change but am good now.
Like it or not...it is happening. Join the EV/hybrid movement or not...it is happening. There is zero doubt about that. Even Toyota is working with Quantumscape to develop better solid-state batteries, and Toyota is super conservative. GM/Fiat-Chrysler/Ford are all funding their EV programs with today's high-profit SUV/truck cash. Everyone is doing it. I am usually pretty resistant to change but am good now.
ElectroBoy
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I’m not an early adopter of any new technology. I like to let others shake out the bugs before I spend big bucks. Weight, handling, quality, total cost of ownership are all important
I wonder how many 4R forum members also drive EVs and can provide some of their experiences, pro and con.
I wonder how many 4R forum members also drive EVs and can provide some of their experiences, pro and con.
thennen
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Much of the push toward EV is from uneducated and under-informed (or misled) people who believe that man-made global warming is a real thing. Many or most of those people think that EVs will help return the global climate back to 'normal' by reducing ICE emissions. But man-made global warming (or climate change) is not provable. According to scientists, there have been numerous ice ages throughout Earth's history. Mankind hasn't participated in any of them - the earth has warmed and cooled all on its own, with assistance from the sun. And since accurate thermometers haven't been in widespread use for more than 100 years, and accurate recordkeeping even less, we can't even accurately measure our own recent climate history.
So while arguments can be made for the pluses of EV technology, using 'climate change' as a reason has no provable or demonstrable science behind it. Get an EV if you think it will help, but don't try to convince people of your beliefs unless you can provide real facts to support them.
So while arguments can be made for the pluses of EV technology, using 'climate change' as a reason has no provable or demonstrable science behind it. Get an EV if you think it will help, but don't try to convince people of your beliefs unless you can provide real facts to support them.
Nobody Special
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I've driven a few different EV's. Even the prototype Toyota hydrogen vehicle at least six years ago. There was no model name on it. I think it became the Mirai just with some body changes.
Toyota flew in engineers to do basic maintenance on them.
The cost approaching $1M/ea at the time.
The torque is fun in EV's though.
Nobody Special
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Correct.
This makes it somewhat easy for people to learn the cyclical nature of ice ages.
Milankovitch Cycles and Glaciation
There are a few questions you can ask those who bought into this that will show you what they really know.
One is to have them explain how and when NYC was covered by a glacier, and why it retreated before industrious man was around.
Sea level rise is another angle, which involves displacement under the surface of the oceans and from erosion from land.
Reservoir sedimentation and what to do about it. |
https://acwi.gov/sos/faqs_2017-05-30.pdf
One solution is to end "planned obsolescence".
IPhone users should understand this well...
When I have an Android that is five years old and does all I need it to do.
(I went from Blackberry, to iPhone and Android switching back and forth, then woke up after "BATTERY GATE" and will no longer use Apple.
(Though Android phones are made obsolete by speeds and such... Like you never saw ads on Youtube with a 3G phone, now with 4G and 5G, you see plenty of ads)
ElectroBoy
Banned
I guess there will always be climate deniers.
But what if they are wrong and scientists are correct?
Carbon dioxide levels and climate change: Is there really a controversy?
But what if they are wrong and scientists are correct?
Carbon dioxide levels and climate change: Is there really a controversy?
Ray Dunakin
Senior Member
Who the hell wants to waste time sitting around in some town waiting hours and hours for your battery to charge?? Especially during a vacation trip when your time is extremely limited already. When I travel I never stop anywhere for longer than it takes to fill my tank, except at night when I'm camped in the middle of nowhere.
Also there's no way there will ever be charging stations at all the remote little podunk farming communities etc. that I rely on when I'm traveling in places like Nevada.
Ray Dunakin
Senior Member
It doesn't matter, because there is no "cure" that isn't worse the disease.
ElectroBoy
Banned
Well, however much we complain about it, “the times they are a changin’”
We will adapt.
We will adapt.
thennen
New member
Saying, “I guess there will always be climate deniers” is nothing more than a slam at a group of people with whom you disagree.
As for the what-ifs, I’m not going to spend the precious remaining time I have on this Earth running in fear from what-ifs. If there’s no science to prove man-made climate change, then it’s wrong to promote it as a proven truth, especially to the point that laws are made and lives are controlled. If there IS science to prove it, I’m all ears.
