Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac's

Cold doesn't relate in any way to the temperature outside. It just means that the tires haven't been driven and thus heated up from ambient temperature.


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Sorry, I missed your post right before mine where you already explained this. Thanks for your patience though!

To come to 42, I just was stepping the rating down 32 per 1 PSI until I came to the exact rating on the OE Limited tires. I got 32 by just dividing the difference between the 40 and 45 rating by 5. So "just below 45" as per their instructions also works. Maybe you're not supposed to just divide up the PSI like I did, and 44/45 would be a better way to go?
 
The C load range tires have a max PSI of 50. Running 44-47 doesn't seem right to me, unless you are towing...a lot.

I have mine around 35 and they seem to be wearing fine.
 
Not that 3psi is very significant, but the reason it's not 44psi is that the linked chart is not using the de-rated load capacity of the stock standard load (P) tires. When passsenger tires are used on an SUV, their load capacity is officially reduced 10% to help offset the higher loading or rougher treatment they might get than when used on a car. It's a comparison against that de-rated number that produces 44psi for LT265/70/17.

Okay so based on 10% we should do

1945 * 1.10 = 2139.5

Load Index 118 @ 45 = 2050
Load Index 118 @ 50 = 2270

2270 - 2050 = 220 / 5 = 44

2050 + 44 (+1 PSI) = 2094
2094 + 44 (+2 PSI) = 2138

45 + 2 = 47

So limited PSI should be set to 47? Is that right?

That's 5 more than I got without the +10% load capacity and would put me at the high end of the "+10-15 PSI" generalization.
 
So limited PSI should be set to 47? Is that right?

That's 5 more than I got without the +10% load capacity and would put me at the high end of the "+10-15 PSI" generalization.

That's waht I figured if you compare stock 32psi with same load for C load Duratracs. But the manual says the following about replacing tires:

"Check that the number given by dividing the maximum load by 1.10 of
the replacement tire is greater than 1/2 of the Gross Axle Weight Ratings
(GAWR) of either the front axle or the rear axle, whichever is greater.
For the GAWR, see the CertificationLabel. For the maximum load of the
tire, see the load limit at maximum cold tire inflation pressure..."

biggest GAWR: 1560 kg = 3439 lbs /2= 1719.5 lbs
For Duratec C max load/1.10 = 2245.46 lbs
For E load it’s 2904 lbs

So as long as tire inflation supports 1720lbs it sould be fine. In other words at 32 psi Duratrac should support minimum required load.


Oh and I looked at stock Duelers - it says that max inflation is 40 psi but load rating is for 44 psi.

Confusing, eh?
 
Concerning balancing issues with the Duratracs I've had mine balanced when I bought them 2 years ago and never haver had an issue since and I have my weights on the inside of the tire.

With proper tire pressure I would set it at whatever is wearing your tires even since that's the point of proper tire pressure. I run my Duratracs (C load) at 36psi and are wearing great so far. With a 5th gen it probably would be more due to the 5th gen's 700lb weight increase over a 3rd gen.
 
Okay so based on 10% we should do

1945 * 1.10 = 2139.5

Load Index 118 @ 45 = 2050
Load Index 118 @ 50 = 2270

2270 - 2050 = 220 / 5 = 44

2050 + 44 (+1 PSI) = 2094
2094 + 44 (+2 PSI) = 2138

45 + 2 = 47

So limited PSI should be set to 47? Is that right?

That's 5 more than I got without the +10% load capacity and would put me at the high end of the "+10-15 PSI" generalization.

The 10-15psi rule for same size works well but the details can get complicated.

No, the de-rating would lower your final air pressure if you followed it strictly as you would be trying to match a lower number. Is 1945 the load capacity of the LE tire at door sticker pressure? In any event, it would be that number divided by 1.10, however, I was just pointing out where the 44psi number came from and that a couple of psi here and there aren't real important.

Actually, using the linked Discount tire chart produces a psi more like 41 using the same de-rated method for 265/70/17. Since this chart produces lower numbers, I'd say skip the de-rating if using it. There are three tire standards organizations and while their numbers are very close to each other, they're not identical. Also, looking at various load/inflation tables, the load capacities of passenger tires of the same load index but different sizes shows slightly different numbers from tire to tire that seem to get a bit less consistent as you move away from max capacity, making me wonder if the linked chart is averaged. Maybe it's based on a newer method. Any of that could explain the slightly different load capacity numbers on the Standard Load (P) chart linked here, but, in any event, using load index with LTs can get confusing since a change in load index can mean either a size change or a load range change within the same size. With Ps, you know a change in load index means a change in size. I find the linked chart harder to use than just a regular load inflation table.

Back to your tire. You listed load index 118, I guess you have a load E and I'm presuming it's in the stock size which is 245/60/20, right? Using the above chart and assuming 32psi door sticker pressure, it looks to me like a de-rated method puts you at about 37psi (seems odd, but that's what it looks like). Using familiar load tables, about 41psi. Something to consider, though. You may have noticed that the load capacity of the LE stock tire is significantly lower than the 265/70/17. Might seem odd to have that much difference, but it's a higher speed rated tire with a nylon cap ply that offsets much of that difference so you're dealing with a little more than just adjusting for listed load capacity.

In other words, I'd still just use the 10-15 rule if the new LTs are same size.
 
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Actually, using the linked Discount tire chart produces a psi more like 41 using the same de-rated method for 265/70/17. Since this chart produces lower numbers, I'd say skip the de-rating if using it...

Back to your tire. You listed load index 118, I guess you have a load E and I'm presuming it's in the stock size which is 245/60/20, right? Using the above chart and assuming 32psi door sticker pressure, it looks to me like a de-rated method puts you at about 37psi (seems odd, but that's what it looks like).
In other words, I'd still just use the 10-15 rule if the new LTs are same size.

Thanks for your in depth reply! That is correct about the stock rims & tires, but I picked up a pair of 17" steel FJ Cruiser rims. The tires I put on are Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac LT265/70R17E1. They say 118Q on the side. I was trying to use the Load Index from the OE tires on the 20" rims to calculate the PSI of my LT tires on the new 17" rims. From the Discount Tire PDF I thought I was calculating it the right way to get 42, but it sounds like if we used the de-rating it would be lower - but you're saying probably better to stick with the higher PSI rating.
 
I just wish they made the 17" Durarac in a 275. I've run these tires for years on my Tacoma in a 285 but really don't want to go that big on the new 4runner. I know I could get a 275 but that would mean stepping up to an 18" wheel. Decisions, decisions.
 
I just wish they made the 17" Durarac in a 275. I've run these tires for years on my Tacoma in a 285 but really don't want to go that big on the new 4runner. I know I could get a 275 but that would mean stepping up to an 18" wheel. Decisions, decisions.

I had to make the same decision. 275 would have been nice.
 
Thanks for your in depth reply! That is correct about the stock rims & tires, but I picked up a pair of 17" steel FJ Cruiser rims. The tires I put on are Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac LT265/70R17E1. They say 118Q on the side. I was trying to use the Load Index from the OE tires on the 20" rims to calculate the PSI of my LT tires on the new 17" rims. From the Discount Tire PDF I thought I was calculating it the right way to get 42, but it sounds like if we used the de-rating it would be lower - but you're saying probably better to stick with the higher PSI rating.

OK, dealing with 265/70/17 as the stock and new tire makes things a lot simpler. The side of your tire should read 121/118, with 121 being the relevant number (118 is for dual use). So using the Discount Tire chart I get 46psi straight from the chart or 41psi de-rated. 44psi is about in the middle and the 10-15 rule comes out looking pretty good once again. LE owners could use the stock tire size and chart to justify running less pressure but I commented on why I think that reasoning may be flawed and that using 10-15 should still be considered.
 
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Awesome! Thank you JB. So in the end it turns out I should have just listened in the first place and gone with 44. I thought the extra weight of the Limited might make a small difference, but it's relatively minor over the TE.

I'm still not following in regards to inflating for the highway. Does 44 incorporate the ideal PSI for highway or am I supposed to go up to the higher end - like 47?
 
Ive read some reviews on some sites that the Duratraks are very difficult to balance and keep balanced. True or false?

Once mine were balanced correctly, with a load force balancer, they have been very nice. They do have more road feel than you would expect for a tire this beefy. And some mornings they feel out of balance till they warm up or something, but that always goes away.
 
Awesome! Thank you JB. So in the end it turns out I should have just listened in the first place and gone with 44. I thought the extra weight of the Limited might make a small difference, but it's relatively minor over the TE.

I'm still not following in regards to inflating for the highway. Does 44 incorporate the ideal PSI for highway or am I supposed to go up to the higher end - like 47?

You're good to go but I wouldn't talk you out of adding pressure if you wanted to. There's a lot of load reserve in the stock tire spec and the idea of that much reserve is to take care of most of the circumstances that are likely to come up, with room to spare. If you were going to load up and drive 85mph across Texas in the summer, some extra pressure would be a good idea. Keep in mind, you're running a tire that shares some attributes with dedicated snow tires, and attributes have tradeoffs, but normal highway stuff, no problem.
 
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Alright, filled my tires up to 44 PSI today and reset the MPG monitor. Can't believe it, but I'm getting 22 MPG with city driving so far. With the OE tires I was only getting 17 MPG. I'm taking a long highway trip later this week so I'll have to see how much of an improvement LT tires filled up really make after some more driving.
 
Got them on my TE and I noticed a little rubbing on slow turns. I have the Overland 2.5 setup. I do like the ride though. SO MUCH BETTER than the OE tires. Ready for the move to Portland now.
 

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