Grand Cherokee and 4Runner--a personal report

Dennis

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I've recently sold a 99 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) and bought an 06 4Runner. Both are top-of-the-line Limited models with most of the options. The 4Runner arrived eight weeks ago and the Jeep left about three weeks ago. This puts me in a good position to compare the niggling details of the two. My Jeep was not the current generation, of course, but you can interpolate.

I bought the 4Runner rather than upgrading to the next generation Jeep mainly because I like to try different brands and not get stuck in a single manufacturer's vibe. The Toyota reputation for reliability was also appealing, although my personal experience with Jeep has been fine. Also, although I love the small size of the WJ for maneuverability (especially off-road), I seem to carry a ton of stuff back and forth from the mountains. The 4Runner is roomier.

Another reason I bought a 4Runner was because it performed much better on the freeway. I use my SUV for commuting from the San Francisco bay area to the mountains near Lake Tahoe. The Jeep was terrific off road and fine around town, but it was out of its element on the freeway. The steering never feels great and the handling dangers of an SUV loom large. The 4Runner feels at home on the freeway and even curvy roads (I have X-REAS).

The Jeep was absolutely fantastic off-road. I participated in several events as well as exploring on my own, and WJ flat-out amazed me. Its 4WD drive system is simply unstoppable on anything I'm brave enough to tackle. The rocks it can swallow leave a lump in my throat. You have to go with experienced guides to urge you on or you'd never believe what it can do.

I strongly believe that the 4Runner can hold its own with Jeep in the dirt, but I don't actually have the experience yet to prove it. (Summer is coming!) I have tried it in deep snow, and it performed very well. It is a little fussier than the jeep, because I had to manually lock the center differential to get unstuck, whereas the Jeep would lock it automatically. Nevertheless, the 4Runner got through the drifts just fine.

As I got to know the 4Runner, I observed that Jeep tries harder to be an upscale vehicle. Even in 99, it had things like seat and mirror memory tied to the key fob, full electric adjustability on the passenger seat, and automatic gas-cap unlock that aren't available at all on the 4Runner. I think this is because Toyota has this Lexus thing going and they don't want to dress the 4Runner up TOO much. If you want that luxury stuff, step up to Lexus.

There are a few places where the 4Runner seems deficient, both in general and specifically by comparison to the Jeep. The high floor pan makes for a rather weird seating position, but I think I can learn to tolerate it. Stranger, the design seems to targeted to people with no toes. Both front and rear passengers get no toe space. This is not uncommon in rear seats, but it is the first time I've ever found it in the front seat. Even the driver suffers a bit because the gas pedal is really low. It hits my foot about midway--as though I had no toes.

Other obvious failings: The backlit LCD panel in the dash is way to hard to read--particularly if you're wearing sunglasses. That thing is an abomination. And the clock set buttons sit right there next to the mode/reset buttons so it is way too easy to change your clock accidentally. I don't like those pin-point things, but this is ridiculous.

Another great irritant of the 4Runner is the running boards. They may help children and old ladies get aboard. They may help you reach the roof rack (although not the rear, where you usually need to work), but they are constant pain in the butt for normal people. I can't figure out a way to get in and out easily. If I step in with my inboard foot as usual, I get my pants dirty on the outboard leg. I can step up with the outboard leg first, but then I need a handhold to swing in and that doesn't work very well if I'm carrying something. I don't think the running boards improve the look either, so I intend to take them off this summer. After seven years with no running boards on the Jeep, I can't see what their purpose is.

I also hate the electric shift of the transfer case. The Jeep didn't have a 2WD option, but when you shifted into low range it happened right now--no waiting for invisible gremlins to signal you that it was okay. The Jeep also offered a neutral position which is good for towing. (Did you ever get stuck? You will!) The new generation Grand Cherokee gave up this feature as well, though, so I guess I have to get a Lexus for a manually shifting transfer case!

In spite of these details, though, the 4Runner shines with greatness. I gave up the lovely Jeep 4.7 liter engine, but the 4Runner 4.0 V6 is up the task in every situation I've met so far. It gets 10% better mileage than the Jeep (or the Toyota 4.7 V8) and really leaves the Jeep V6 in the dust. The feel of the 4Runner drive train is wonderful. Jeep has updated their drive train in every way since mine was built, but even so I think it would be hard to match the 4Runner.

Finally the ride, steering, cornering, shifting, and general demeanor of the 4Runner are simply much more sophisticated than the Jeep. I love driving the 4runner. I recently rented a Highlander for a week, and think the 4Runner surpasses even it in all driving aspects. The 4Runner (with X-REAS) is simply amazing in this regard. I'm looking for a long and happy relationship with this vehicle.
 
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I hated the running boards for some of the same reasons. After lifting my 4Runner I found that I can slide right past them when getting out. I may eventually install a combo slider-step
 
Nice write-up Dennis.

I've had many Toyota trucks so I'm used to the seating position and the high floor pan. But I do realize this a little when driving another vehicle.

I've also owned a JGC and did not have any problems with it as unbelievable as that sounds and it was a really nice truck for 1996. But the 4runner should be very reliable and Toyota has come a long way with this generation 4runner. IMO it is leaps and bounds better than my '97 4runner and is the best in it's class now as far as I'm concerned.
 
I recently traded my '01 JGC for my '06 4runner sport and even though I never do much offroading, I have to agree with this write-up. I loved my JGC and hated to part with it but now that I have had my 4runner for awhile I'm really not missing it all that much. One other thing I can add to the write up: the seats in the 4runner are much more comfortable and supportive than what I had in my JGC. The JGC seats always felt like a big fluffy chair, which was fine for short trips but they always took their toll on my back after any length of time.
 
General, I agree with you on the seats. I didn't mention it because the Jeep seats actually didn't seem uncomfortable to me even on trips. They just felt funny, like an old couch with a broken spring.
 
They just felt funny, like an old couch with a broken spring

LOL, that's a very good analogy. They seemed way too soft and "squishy" to me and I always ended up with a stiff and sore back after a trip that lasted any longer than an hour or so.
 
I had a JGC Laredo rental a few months ago that was brand new. It was a decent car, but nowhere near the quality of my 4Runner. The seats were uncomfortable and the interior was made of cheap materials. The things that I really liked were the quiet ride and all in one key. I agree that the Jeep tried to mimic a luxury vehicle!

My parents owned a 1994 JGC Limited and a 1996 JGC Limited. Both vehicles were major problems. The 1994 had a leak in the back and the 1996 had a transmission and electrical problem. The 1996 was sold 6 months after it was purchased for a 1996 4Runner Limited!
 
I still look back at my 02 GC fondly. I loved the seats and my passengers always complemented me on the comfort. Had it not been for reliability issues and my dealership being sold, I'd have kept it. I miss the off the line acceleration. I had the 4.7 V8 and it was rare for me to not be able to outrun other drivers. But I'm growing to love the 4Runner. I'll never be sold on the dash design... the winged look of the center and the amber lights utterly disgust me but the exterior update for 06 was enough for me to overlook the interior.
 
exokomp-- Matters of individual taste aside, Toyota is not really known as a giant in the world of styling. :artist:

Ignoring looks, the thing that distinguished my GC by comparison is superior ergonomics. There are way too many annoying design quirks in the 4Runner. On the other hand, it has that wonderful sophisticated road feel that I just didn't get from Jeep. I'm still looking forward to testing its ability in the back country.
 
The great Jeep migration. I had a 2000 JGC Limited V8. I traded it 2 months ago for an 06 SE V6. Here's my comparison.
JGC pros: Nimble, Soft ride, Quiet ride below 60mph, Power to spare, Great in snow, Good head clearance, Good front view of road.
JGC cons: Terrible repair record, Wanders on highway, Rear passenger seats not comfortable. Front defroster doesn't melt snow on lower part of winshield, Rear end whines at 60+ mph, left front pillar obstructed my view and I almost hit a pedestrian.
Went through 4 pairs of front rotors until Chrysler changed to Dodge calipers.
SE pros: Sure footed on highway, all around fairly quiet ride, more comfort for rear passengers. Just as nimble as the JGC, Superior braking. V6 has plenty of power. Truck has a solid feel. Sure footed over bumpy roads and potholes. Good gas mileage. Good looking body style. Toyota is known for good repair record. Air conditioning cold and good fan speed. Ground clearance is good.
SE cons: Dash display that shows MPG, fan speed and temp is way too dark & difficult to read. Difficult getting in & out using the nerf bars without getting pants dirty. I switched to Toyota boards I bought off ebay and it is a little bit better. I think it's an issue with the ground clearance and the raised floor in the cabin.
You have to step up while tucking in your head.
Lastly, I find it difficult to judge the right side of the SE, but I've only had it 2 months.
As a point, it seems common for the Toyota dealership to overinflate the tires. Mine were at 46 lbs, Drop them to the recommended pressure and the ride improves.
Overall, I have sentimental reasons to miss the jeep but I feel that the 4Runner is a better truck. Just my opinion.

06 SE Titanium
 
I still own a grand cherokee. I bought it new and have 194 k miles on her. 12-years old. I am very attached to it. But I also like my T4R for obvious reasons.

Owning one teaches you how to work on motors :D because you have to!
 
Three months further along

Just thought I'd update my opinion with the perspective of another three months ownership.

The driving position doesn't bother me at all anymore. In fact, I like it. I still don't like riding in the passenger seat because of cramped toe space, but I don't do that too often.

I still find the ergonomics a bit lacking--particularly that unreadable LCD panel with the clock, etc. A guy at the dealer showed me a nice accessory clock he bought at an auto parts store that was actually readable!

The on-road performance of the vehicle impresses me more and more. I got the V6 for the mileage and it has been good. I still haven't taken it off-road on anything really challenging, but it feels great on the moderate stuff. I love driving this thing.

I took the running boards off a while ago and that was a vast improvement. It is now much easier to get in and out and the 4Runner lost that overweight minivan look. I can't imagine why Toyota fits these as standard.
 

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