help! i got hornswaggled....

Tearjerky

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i had this transaction going in scionlife , a 6disc scion pioneer car stereo that i thought we had an understanding and that hes selling for $200. i said to myself, well thats not a bad deal and it is only 3 mos old which he claimed and comes from his 2005 scion tc. it took me more than a month!!! to receive the item after i paid him 4 days after we closed the deal. and guess what, when i opened the box and i find a single disc unit. b....s....t! i tried calling him and wont answer calls and when i had the chance to talk to him he initiated shouting profanities and wouldnt want to agree to send back money as i would send the item back. of course! he just made some...as i found out the cause of the delay was he found and bought a single disc from another scion member. i just want to know how would you handle this kind of situation? he lives in chicago, il 60630. police wouldnt have anything to do with this, wouldnt they? any suggestions? any kind would be of big help. thanks!
 
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I KNOW!!!

Hey just find out were he lives... show up at his front door, ring the bell and kick his a@@... Welp thats atleast what i would do to someone who just took my money and didnt hold up to there end of the deal. J/K That sux that this happened. I got robbed like that but of of ebay so i followed there procedures and got my money back. I wish i had some better info for ya but thats all i can say... IS KICK HIS A@@!!!!!!!!!

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How did you pay for it?

Paypal?

If so you could file through them and maybe get your money back.

If you sent a money order I think your out of luck, I know it sucks but sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

Sell it on E-bay and get some of the money back.
 
unfortunately, its postal money order(dang!). 4runna-sport...hahaha....i thought of that...yup i do have his phone and address!! am still trying to settle it...if hes still going to play hard...hmmmmm....hahahaha.....seriously, what else would be a good thing to do? any lawyers around?:)
 
Since it was purchased with a Postal money order and if it was sent via regular mail, see if the USPS will get involved for mail fraud. Couldn't hurt to try.
 
Yep, mail fraud...that's the big advantage of postal money orders. Hopefully you saved the messages where the seller indicated that the unit was a 3 disc changer.
 
Yup it's definitely mail fraud and is a federal crime. See below for some helpful info:

The Form:
http://63.222.159.194/repoform.htm

The Site:
http://www.fraud.org/

Internet Fraud:
http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

Fraud Bureau:
http://www.fraudbureau.com/

Web Police:
http://www.web-police.org/

Better Business Bureau:
http://www.bbb.org/

Regional BBB's:
http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_E.../United_States/

Canadian Regional BBB's:
http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/Count...s_Bureau__BBB_/



Helpful Tips:

If you must do business online, ask for references and make sure you get everything in writing.

Never pay for everything up front!

More Information:
MAIL FRAUD
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WHEN THE F.B.I. COMES CALLING...

You may be charged with:

MAIL FRAUD (18 U.S.C. 1341)

In layman's terms the definition of MAIL FRAUD is as follows:

It is a crime for anyone to use the U.S. mail, or any private or commercial interstate carrier (e.g. FedEx, U.P.S.), to carry out a scheme or plan to defraud (trick or lie) an individual or group.

In many jurisdictions to be convicted of mail fraud the Assistant U.S. Attorney (AUSA) has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the following items:

1. The person, conducted or attempted to conduct, a scheme or plan to defraud;
2. with the intent to commit fraud;
3. the person, directly or through another, used the U. S. Mail or private/commercial interstate carrier to carry out the fraud; and
4. the scheme involved false material representations.

Some actual cases:

1. Sending false financial statements through mails in order to secure credit, knowing that such statements are false, constitutes violation of 18 USC§ 1341.
Dranow v United States (1962, CA8 Minn)

2. Scheme whereby defendant sold certificates with promise to pay at maturity twice amount paid in, where defendant did not invest money received and had no income other than that paid by purchasers of certificates, was scheme to defraud.
Walker v United States (1907, CA9 Wash)

3. Mailing of any letter or writing by way of carrying out scheme is sufficient, although letter or writing itself may have been harmless.
Byron v United States (1921, CA9 Wash)

PUNISHMENT:
One may be found guilty of a felony, imprisoned up to 5 years, and fined up to $250,000. If a financial institution is involved, one may be imprisoned up to 30 years and fined up to $1,000,000. The punishment is per transaction. For example, if 8 letters are sent through the U.S. Mail and 10 packages are sent through FedEx, the potential punishment above is multiplied by 18.

Frequently, the Assistant U.S. Attorney (AUSA) will secure a Federal Indictment from a Federal Grand Jury and charge a defendant not only with mail fraud, but also with wire fraud, bank fraud, money laundering, and conspiracy to commit the aforementioned crimes. One should also be aware that since 1987 parole has been abolished in the Federal System. Expungement (removal of conviction from public records) is also not available.

This information was found at:
http://www.federalcrimes.com/mailfraud.htm
 
If I were you, along with persuing mail fraud, I would go onto the Scion Forum and let everyone know how you got cheated and by who you got cheated from. Perhaps he'll respond to that.
 
Good advice from everyone on the mail fraud route.

Even so, where does this guy live? If it is in my area, I would be happy to handle the situation for you. People like this need to be taught a lesson.
 
thanks for all your concerns.. i really appreciate it. i pmed him with the mail fraud..

"WHEN THE F.B.I. COMES CALLING...

You may be charged with:

MAIL FRAUD (18 U.S.C. 1341)

In layman's terms the definition of MAIL FRAUD is as follows:

It is a crime for anyone to use the U.S. mail, or any private or commercial interstate carrier (e.g. FedEx, U.P.S.), to carry out a scheme or plan to defraud (trick or lie) an individual or group.

In many jurisdictions to be convicted of mail fraud the Assistant U.S. Attorney (AUSA) has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the following items:

1. The person, conducted or attempted to conduct, a scheme or plan to defraud;
2. with the intent to commit fraud;
3. the person, directly or through another, used the U. S. Mail or private/commercial interstate carrier to carry out the fraud; and
4. the scheme involved false material representations. "

and just laughed about it, telling me what the heck was i thinkin about mail frauds, what did i think about the item that he sent me? was it for investment?

cleric, he lives in chicago, il.
 
I would go to the moderator on the Scion Life Forum with this before you hit their forum with it - hopefully the Mod will be able to sort it out with the other party before it comes to mud slinging.
 
Don't protect this moron's identity.. post his name and address and let the folks from the internet do the rest... ;) Or at the very least sign him up for a bunch of "questionable" personal ads and other sites so he gets bombarded with propositions! HAHAHA! Don't get mad, get EVEN! It's much more gratifying! :D
 
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Down in VA you can get a warrant called a "warrant in debt". It is specifically for when someone promises you one thing, tou pay, and they either give you something of lesser value than what you agreed to purchase OR the work done was of poor quality. Talk to a magistrate/judge/clerk of the court to see if this is in PA to. It doesnt matter where the person lives. He may be able to be charged in both areas as the fraud was intiated in his state, and you payed from PA. You can also sue him in small claims court. If he doesnt show, then you win by default. If he then doesnt pay, then a warrant can be issued for failure to comply with a court order and/or his paycheck can be garnished!

See....I love being a cop!

Shaun
 
thanks border!!! i might try and do that!! hes playing hard, telling me that he aint scared of what i was telling him. thanks a lot .
 

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