help me with new head unit!!

4x4Runner09

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I would like to improve overall sound quality in 2000 limited 4runner. Also would like it louder.

Im on a tight budget:(

If I just get a new head unit will it make any significant difference in sound quality. Plus I would get more features.

If I just replace the head unit, what are some some good manufactures to go by...
Pioneer..Sony???

Should I just look for the one with the most wattage??
Do I really get what I pay for?

Thanks a ton boys!
 
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Hi 4x4Runner09

Here is my opinion, other may think otherwise. Please take into consideration that I know nothing of the 2000 Limited's stock sound.

Getting a new head unit is (can be) the first step. Keep in mind though that if your 2000 already came with a CD player, just replacing the head unit MIGHT not make much of a noticeable difference.

Stock sound systems on recent vehicles are usually matched, to a certain degree, to a vehicle's interior acoustics. These systems usually give a nice sound at low volumes but get ugly when you turn up the juice because of a lack of power.

A new head unit with the stock speakers wont get you much further down that road unless the stock unit was grossly underpowerd. Be advised that most head units advertise 50 Watts and more per channel but can most of the time only supply a decent 15 before distorting like crazy. Nevertheless these will play somewhat better than stock units.... Also, car manufacturers sometimes include additional gadgets on speaker wiring such as passive crossovers, filters and such that can be incompatible with the new head unit.

I have personnaly installed 4 and 6 speaker systems in various old cars ( 91 Corolla, 87 T-Bird, 88 Cougar, 89 Caprice ) that I have owned and the stock speakers were never up to the challenge. I have NOT tried this on a 2k+ vehicle though, things probably have changed.

Beware my friend, audio tinkering will take you on a slippery slope. One thing I have noticed is that factory systems are balanced and once you change a component for a better one ( IE head unit ), the shortcommings of the rest of the system components become brutally apparent. This triggers the desire to replace said components to compensate and so on.....and thats how you end up with a tricked out stereo.

To sum things up, if you change the head unit, you will probably be wanting an external amp in the following week, and possibly a subwoofer the week after that.....so be prepared to repress the urges if the budget does not allow it. If you are a neophyte, keep posting in the forums or find a trustworthy retailer to help you.

Hope this helps... I know I sound pessimistic but dont let me get you down !
 
allright cool thanks for the info!

seems like Im better changing out the speakers first before a new headunit???

What will be more expensive?

Also what sizes speakers will I need and where?
Should I replace all 4?

Anyone know of WEST COAST AUDIOSOUND in Mission Viejo, Orange County.

The guys there seem pretty cool and they'll give me free installation. Or they just overcharging for the price of the producs to compensate the installion?? hmmm


Thanks!
 
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Bacdef said:
Hi 4x4Runner09

Beware my friend, audio tinkering will take you on a slippery slope. One thing I have noticed is that factory systems are balanced and once you change a component for a better one ( IE head unit ), the shortcommings of the rest of the system components become brutally apparent. This triggers the desire to replace said components to compensate and so on.....and thats how you end up with a tricked out stereo.


Truer words have nay been spoke!!:arrow:

4x4, as Bacdef said, there is an ongoing debate about whether to replace the headunit or the speakers first. A good headunit is going to run you a minimum of $200-250 (I believe) and really solid speakers can go for around 250 for all four if you know where to look. I got my set of Alpine Type-R's (pretty much top of the line for a moderate price range) by searching on Yahoo Shop and Pricegrabber.com AFTER doing my research on Crutchfield. I've said it a million times--do your research on Crutchfield, buy elsewhere, unless you plan to do the install yourself. Crutchfield WILL save you some money by sending you all the extra materials they'll have in a stereo shop (adapter, etc) but if you head towards the upper price end, you'll save more by buying everything seperate from low-ball internet shops that provide little information, but are PERFECT if you know what you want and don't need a lot of stats, etc that can easily be found on Crutchfield.

But I digress; either way, you're NOT going to be happy if you just replace one or the other. A new HU will probably leave you with distored stock speakers made of paper that can't possibly handle the extra power the new HU is trying to deliver. If you add speakers ALONE, then they'll be UNDERPOWERED by the stock HU. You CAN get around this by throwing in an amp, but they're not exactly cheap either (check out the Alpine V-power 4-ch amps on crutchfield, or see the link in my sig). However, even if you add the amp, you're STILL going to be aiming low because aftermarket HU's have extra sound forming features that--once again--can't be handled (for the most part) by stock speakers, and stock head units just won't do your new aftermarket speakers the justice they deserve.

Why is there still an argument? Because neither is good. It's just the lesser of two evils as opposed to being the better of two goods. Yeah, you'll have something better, BUT you'll be less than impressed--your money won't seem to have done you any justice. It'll only be when you complete the system that you'll be truly happy, as was the case with me...it took months and a couple different tries with various components, but by God I love my stereo and there's nothing better than making yourself deaf cruising down the highway with high quality sound :D -- You'll get high quality sound at HIGH or LOW volumes with a complete aftermarket system, and in my opinion, sound quality is of the utmost importance.

So where do you go from here...well you'll need two sets of speakers:
One pair of 6"x9" speakers and some spacers for the front because the stock openings are weird. Spacers aren't hard to find, so don't let some stereo shop give you the runaround and convince you they HAVE to fabricate them for $100 or more EACH!! -- They've tried that with several other members!!
One pair of 6"x6.5 or 6.75" speakers for the rear. Brackets will be necessary here too. The .25" difference is somewhat arbitrary...there's no real difference unless the brackets will only accept one size. You should really replace all four...I don't think I've heard of anyone doing otherwise.

Lastly, with regards to the shop you were asking about...Check Crutchfield and compare prices. Crutchfield is kind of the upper end in terms of prices, so if these guys are much higher, they're definitely really expensive. Free installation is a great benefit (depending on whether or not they're providing free installation parts as well--that can be a serious deal-breaker).

I hope this helps. If you want more info, check my thread or search around for it all bro. Good luck!!
 
GOOSE: Thanks a ton for the info....and youve gota a bitchin system. Id love you hear it! Where do you live? Did you install all that yourself??

Anyways, I completly understand what your trying to tell me.
Im just in highschool on a tight budget.


So today I went ahead a bought a new headunit.
Sony Xplod CDX-R3000
http://www.xplodsony.com/products/?CATEGORY=CD&MD=CDX-R3000


I paid $139.00 for the headunit plus $15 for the mountain bracket cuz the stock headunit is massive! AND free installation!

This is all Im going to do now untill I get some more money, then i'll invest in speakers, and who knows maybe an amp and sub?




Otherwise, with just replacing the headunit it does make a difference.
It sounds more clear and gives it more powere when turned up louder. So im happy for now....even though im dying to upgrade more:mad:

Ill will get a picture of the headunit too!

Thanks a ton!
Oh yah...does anyone have this model???


MAtt
 
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4x4Runner09 said:
So im happy for now....even though im dying to upgrade more

Told ya :D

The next logical upgrade would be replacing the front speakers, since those are the ones you hear the most as the driver.

As for the CDX-R3000, its spec sheet mentions that only one preout is available on this unit (selectable between sub and full range mode). This means that you will be able to hook up only ONE external amp to this deck. Keep this in mind when planning your next upgrade. Other than that, Sony has a solid reputation in mobile electronics so its a good choice.

I have some X-Plod components in my current system that I have transferred from previous installations and they are still going strong. The X-Plod line is good bang for the buck, but dont count on impressing hardcore audio freaks with those :P

I am in the process of doing this myself ( see my other thread ) and I cant wait to turn the system on, I started tinkering on Friday and it feels like an eternity :).

Enjoy your new sound !
 
4X4RUNNER09,

:iagree:

Looks like you're getting some "sound" advice from the forum members. You gotta believe a guy like Goose with a system like that. I want to ride with Goose just to see how all that stuff works.

The neat thing about car stereo is you can keep adding and changing a little at a time and then sell your old stuff on the forum or ebay to get some cash back.

One brick at a time builds the house......
 
Yes thanks everyone for the "sound" advice!!

Yahh..I've heard lots of good things about Sony and there prices and looks you cant beat!

Im not worried about putting 2 amps in my car probably because I never will. Im not going to deck this thing out professionally...

I'm also NOT trying to compete with anyone either.

My next step would be replacing the speakers...probably again with Xplods!
OR I will get an amp and sub.

But I'm really happy with just my headunit now...it did make a difference...bigger than I thought!!


oh yah...heres my old unit on ebay...hehe
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2478981449



thanks
 

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