Hope for the best prepare for the worst.How are you prepping for the covid-19 virus.

[Jetboy]

You maybe right about entitled people but I have to disagree on the point that, if they are not infected and are not a public health risk then collectively quarantining them with sick people is wrong.Testing people is the only viable option.

I know people who are still traveling for leisure. They're completely self-absorbed entitled co-workers. One of them literally had a stopover in NY then came home, went to Costco and local grocery store directly from the airport and then visited her mother with MS. Not a person fleeing, just doesn't give a f about anyone but herself. She's exactly the type of person who wouldn't think twice about having a low level fever and not knowing what it was, taking some advil to pass the fever thermal checkpoint, and flying to a small town.

If they're not infected - all they have to do is stay home. That's it. It's not a hardship. They're not being quarantined "with" sick people. If they travel they might be. Getting on an airplane for 6 hours with a very high likelihood of being with a sick person is far more risky. I understand that they're bored being at home. But I'm not sure that's a good justification.

 

[Muzzle of Bees]

Ethical question: Lots of NYC residents are fleeing to small towns including my home town. Is it appropriate for small towns to reject medical treatment to them? The small towns do not have the medical infrastructure to handle out of town "guests" and their own local residents. They've publicly asked them not to come for that reason. Moab is a great example. They ask people not to come, they close all the hotels. Yet selfish *******s just keep going. So what is the answer?


My take is that it is perfectly rational and reasonable if the time comes to triage on the basis of whether that person is local or not in that scenario. Make it known publicly and locally. Signs at the airport. Personally - if I were the governor of western states, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, Hawaii etc. I'd set up at every airport with a quarantine holding area and anyone from NY, CA, or WA gets to spend the first 14 days as a guest of the state in a quarantine. I know Rhode Island is trying to do something like that unsuccessfully by stopping any car on the road with NY plates. Legal? Probably not. I'm not sure how else you keep those folks home. Maybe it's time at a national level require something like a visa for air travel and prohibit tourism for a few weeks.

The government should have forecast this behavior and prevented people from moving about, which would have saved us valuable time.

 

[xyzzy]

Considering "all unnecessary travel is discouraged" throughout the US at this time, the self-entitled clearly think they're different.

My wife's family has had a summer place in Barron County WI for longer than my wife's been alive and here's what that county has issued:

1. All unnecessary travel is discouraged throughout the United States at this time.

2.People with seasonal or recreational properties in Barron County are strongly encouraged to remain at their permanent residence. If seasonal or recreational property owners do travel into Barron County, they are required to self- quarantine for fourteen (14) days in order to stop COVID-19 community-to-community spread. Property owners must plan accordingly and bring 14 days of supplies with them. Self-quarantine does not permit shopping at local stores for these supplies.

3.All people residing (permanent or seasonal) in Barron County must comply with other restrictions, such as the Wisconsin Governor’s Executive Orders. Please be aware that there may be future health and travel restrictions.

4.Barron County has a large population of older adults and vulnerable populations. These populations are at the highest risk of COVID-19; it is our priority to keep people in Barron County healthy and safe.

5.Barron County is a rural community with limited healthcare capacity. It is important we take all precautions necessary as to not overwhelm our healthcare systems.

6.Barron County campgrounds will remain closed until further notice.

 

[spartacus]

If they're not infected - all they have to do is stay home. That's it. It's not a hardship. They're not being quarantined "with" sick people. If they travel they might be. Getting on an airplane for 6 hours with a very high likelihood of being with a sick person is far more risky. Presumably if they tested upon landing and one person on the plane was sick - then everyone on the plane should end up in quarantine for 2 weeks. Just like a cruise ship. You play stupid games - you win stupid prizes.

One of my co workers flew with his family from Denver to Maryland to be with his elderly parents. He wanted to get tested before he left but couldn't because of the lack of availability. He went to Maryland to help his elderly parents so they can stay indoors and not take any chances while he being an healthy adult could do so. I don't as a habit hypothesis about people's intentions or motives because without facts it just tends to muddle up things.

 

[xyzzy]

One of my co workers flew with his family from Denver to Maryland to be with his elderly parents. He wanted to get tested before he left but couldn't because of the lack of availability. He went to Maryland to help his elderly parents so they can stay indoors and not take any chances while he being an healthy adult could do so. I don't as a habit hypothesis about people's intentions or motives because without facts it just tends to muddle up things.

That would fall under necessary travel in my opinion.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.....

....In fact targeting a group of people based on origin is not only unethical but unconstitutional....

+1 Spartacus

 

[RoyBell]

Considering "all unnecessary travel is discouraged" throughout the US at this time, the self-entitled clearly think they're different.

My wife's family has had a summer place in Barron County WI for longer than my wife's been alive and here's what that county has issued:

1. All unnecessary travel is discouraged throughout the United States at this time.

2.People with seasonal or recreational properties in Barron County are strongly encouraged to remain at their permanent residence. If seasonal or recreational property owners do travel into Barron County, they are required to self- quarantine for fourteen (14) days in order to stop COVID-19 community-to-community spread. Property owners must plan accordingly and bring 14 days of supplies with them. Self-quarantine does not permit shopping at local stores for these supplies.

3.All people residing (permanent or seasonal) in Barron County must comply with other restrictions, such as the Wisconsin Governor’s Executive Orders. Please be aware that there may be future health and travel restrictions.

4.Barron County has a large population of older adults and vulnerable populations. These populations are at the highest risk of COVID-19; it is our priority to keep people in Barron County healthy and safe.

5.Barron County is a rural community with limited healthcare capacity. It is important we take all precautions necessary as to not overwhelm our healthcare systems.

6.Barron County campgrounds will remain closed until further notice.

And how are they going to enforce this?

 

[ElectroBoy]

And how are they going to enforce this?

They’ll probably just rely on how the current shelter at home / social distancing policies are handled. Most conscientious people obey, the sloppy ones can be warned and shamed into complying, and the real violators (after some pissed off neighbors report them) will be fined.

 

[xyzzy]

And how are they going to enforce this?

Call 'em up and ask if you need to know
http://barronsheriff.org/

 

[Charlievee]

My hometown is Bozeman, MT. My parent's neighbor is an example - retired New Yorkers, then they have all their kids come from New York to wait out the situation. In doing so they bring both spread of the virus and a lot more people to a small hospital system. And it's happening all over small town USA. I'm not going there because it's unethical to put small towns at risk even though it would be a great time to go hang out on my family's ranch. I'd also love to go spend some days cruising around Moab or Monticello.

I'd love to think that most people are reasonable and at least a little bit ethical, but I think there's a big portion of our population who are neither. And the only way in a me-first society to solve the problem is make sure that those people will not harm others by setting up a system where they can't even if they try. It's not okay to put the small town at risk.

Well hell. I thought you could just shoot them in Montana?

 

[Jetboy]

Well hell. I thought you could just shoot them in Montana?

As long as you follow the "Three S's" (locally known as the 3 S's of endangered species on your ranch) - Shoot, Shovel, Shut-up.

Unless you have a zoo with tigers - then you can skip the digging part apparently.

 

[RoyBell]

Call 'em up and ask if you need to know
http://barronsheriff.org/

No need for snarky response.

 

[Gamma Ray]

And how are they going to enforce this?

Do what teachers do when there's a big class trip where there's a hotel stay involved. Put masking tape on the door. If it's broken, then you've got to go home.

 

[sn_85]

Ethical question: Lots of NYC residents are fleeing to small towns including my home town. Is it appropriate for small towns to reject medical treatment to them? The small towns do not have the medical infrastructure to handle out of town "guests" and their own local residents. They've publicly asked them not to come for that reason. Moab is a great example. They ask people not to come, they close all the hotels. Yet selfish *******s just keep going. So what is the answer?

I used to live in Park City and honestly that first sentence seems like more of a year long thing. Whatever problems the New Yorkers had they brought it with them to Summit County. I don't know what Park City was like 20-30 years ago but whatever it was the tourists destroyed that ski town long ago. I still chuckle when I hear people talk about their amazing ski vacation to Park City or Vail. I guess if lodges and long lift lines are your thing then sure go for it.

It's no coincidence that highly trafficked ski towns in Utah and Colorado are being hit hard by coronavirus. Just too much in-traffic from major metropolis areas creating a giant burden and strain on small town medical facilities. Again, people bringing big city problems to small towns that just don't have the resources handle it.

 

[pDubs]

Why is this not in the Off Topic section?

 

[spartacus]

FDA approves emergency authorization of malaria drug to treat covid -19.
FDA issues emergency-use authorization for anti-malaria drugs amid coronavirus outbreak | TheHill

 

[RichinRidgewood]

My hometown is Bozeman, MT. My parent's neighbor is an example - retired New Yorkers, then they have all their kids come from New York to wait out the situation. In doing so they bring both spread of the virus and a lot more people to a small hospital system. And it's happening all over small town USA. I'm not going there because it's unethical to put small towns at risk even though it would be a great time to go hang out on my family's ranch. I'd also love to go spend some days cruising around Moab or Monticello.

I'd love to think that most people are reasonable and at least a little bit ethical, but I think there's a big portion of our population who are neither. And the only way in a me-first society to solve the problem is make sure that those people will not harm others by setting up a system where they can't even if they try. It's not okay to put the small town at risk.

Well hell. I thought you could just shoot them in Montana?

As long as you follow the "Three S's" (locally known as the 3 S's of endangered species on your ranch) - Shoot, Shovel, Shut-up.

Unless you have a zoo with tigers - then you can skip the digging part apparently.

Advocating murdering Americans because they are from another state. This is maybe the lowest point I have seen this forum go to.

 

[cb1111]

One of my co workers flew with his family from Denver to Maryland to be with his elderly parents. He wanted to get tested before he left but couldn't because of the lack of availability. He went to Maryland to help his elderly parents so they can stay indoors and not take any chances while he being an healthy adult could do so. I don't as a habit hypothesis about people's intentions or motives because without facts it just tends to muddle up things.

That would fall under necessary travel in my opinion.

Unnecessary and stupid because he doesn't know if he is "healthy."

A test is only a snapshot of the second in time that the test was taken. A second later he touches a doorknob...

 

[cb1111]

Ethical question: Lots of NYC residents are fleeing to small towns including my home town. Is it appropriate for small towns to reject medical treatment to them? The small towns do not have the medical infrastructure to handle out of town "guests" and their own local residents. They've publicly asked them not to come for that reason. Moab is a great example. They ask people not to come, they close all the hotels. Yet selfish *******s just keep going. So what is the answer?


My take is that it is perfectly rational and reasonable if the time comes to triage on the basis of whether that person is local or not in that scenario. Make it known publicly and locally. Signs at the airport. Personally - if I were the governor of western states, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, Hawaii etc. I'd set up at every airport with a quarantine holding area and anyone from NY, CA, or WA gets to spend the first 14 days as a guest of the state in a quarantine. I know Rhode Island is trying to do something like that unsuccessfully by stopping any car on the road with NY plates. Legal? Probably not. I'm not sure how else you keep those folks home. Maybe it's time at a national level require something like a visa for air travel and prohibit tourism for a few weeks.

This is a good question that many areas are grappling with.

No, it is neither ethical nor legal to withhold medical treatment in any case and certainly not based on residency.

Closing hotels/AirBNB and other transient locations (along with restaurants) will cut down on tourists, but unless you shut the roads, there is no way to stop the "snowbirds" (or reverse snowbirds) from showing up.

The problem, of course, is that the New Yorkers (and others from heavily affected areas) are trying to escape a problem but are really bringing the problem into more rural areas with less accessible health care.

So how do you keep the people isolated? The best and only way is to tell them "if you come to your second home here then we welcome you with two weeks worth of groceries and supplies, but please do not venture off your property. If you need medical attention, please call ...."

 

[Charlievee]

Advocating murdering Americans because they are from another state. This is maybe the lowest point I have seen this forum go to.

Panties a bit tight this morning?