How old are your tires? - The Truth Behind Paul Walker's Crash (???)

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So I read this today .... What do you guys think?

The Truth Behind What Caused Paul Walker's Fatal Crash - The Drive

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The red-over-black Carrera GT was the right color combo and had a famous owner in its history: Graham Rahal. It also had only 3,500 miles on the odometer, making for a highly desirable example. He had just taken delivery of the car that week. Paul, as big of a gearhead as he was, had never been in a Carrera GT before. It was a Sunday, so the large office park was all-but-deserted save for AE’s small section of parking lot.

“Just once around the block.”

"Everyone wanted to hang Paul and Roger out to dry as their speeding scapegoats. The tires were a footnote to an exaggerated story, and it became a missed opportunity to teach a very real lesson."

Once around the block was all it took to kill them both. The 3,500 mile Carrera GT was shod with its original tires. They, like the car attached to them, were 9 years old.

Roger lost control of the Carrera GT at an estimated 90 mph, and hit a tree.

The mainstream media, and indeed many automotive-focused web sites, simply couldn’t wait to report on the irony of the situation, that someone known for playing a character who drives crazy is killed in a supercar doing double the speed limit in an office park.

I was distraught the first couple of days, but honestly, all I could think about was how the crash happened, and I just kept going back to that day at Spring Mountain. This was a super low-mileage car. Roger was a really good driver. There were no other cars around or last-minute obstacles to avoid. It had to have been on original tires.

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I’ve been to that office park, and*I know that corner, and you can take that corner at 90 mph in a ****ing Prius, as long as you have tires that aren’t 9 years old. In a Carrera GT you could take it at 90, one-handed, while sipping a Venti Latte. I’m not saying you should be legally allowed to rip around an office park at 90, but from a technical sense, the actual*cause*of the crash was trash old tires. “Unsafe speed for the conditions” may have been the ticket Roger would have gotten if a cop stopped him, but that’s not what caused the accident.

I know no one wants to hear this, but I’m going to say it: Roger was a great driver, and actually quite conservative. And if he had a new set of tires on the car, that crash wouldn’t have happened, because 90 mph on that corner is nothing for a Carrera GT. With old tires, it’s not like you get oversteer or understeer, and you then correct, and back it down. They seem fine one minute, you hit the brakes or turn the wheel, and then they are just gone. You’re a passenger. Or, at least I was, back at Spring Mountain in 2012.

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Tire age has a complete direct impact on longevity. Anything over 6 years needs to be replaced. If you ever buy new tires always search the year and week they were made to ensure they aren't already old. Most places like discount tire and the like don't hold tires long so the ones you buy are likely only 3-12 months old


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I think I found the problem.

Roger lost control of the Carrera GT at an estimated 90 mph, and hit a tree


Go ahead and hit a tree at 90 MPH with new tires and see if it makes a difference.
 
I think I found the problem.

Go ahead and hit a tree at 90 MPH with new tires and see if it makes a difference.

In plainer English the article would translate as he was driving, lost control while making a basic turn (yes at 90) AND THEN while sliding out of control he hit a tree.

The author at no point says hitting the tree but with different tires would have resulted in a different outcome.

It's an interesting piece if you read it, especially if you read the comments section below which has plenty of testimonials.
 
Going anywhere close to the speed limit would have definitely had a different outcome.

Sorry but blaming the tires or the make of the car is just an attempt to justify the bad driving choices and hot dogging.

I live in the area and there are way too many young guys and girls who constantly are driving at crazy speeds thinking they are the fast and the Furious. doing 100+ on the 14 weaving thru the lanes while most traffic is at 70 - 75.

It's just ironic who it was that time that it caught up to.
 
Those guys died that day because the driver lost control of the car doing 90 mph in a parking lot. End of discussion. Tires weren't a determining factor.

People can be stupid. Just look around.
 
I totally believe that old tires reduce the handling capabilities of a vehicle, i have experienced this first hand. From street to off road, the new rubber will out perform the old hard tires any day.
 
Plausible.
I'd buy into the idea, but that's only one of the contributing factors--along with all the other old components on a car that has realistically sat still for most of it's life since rolling off the line.
He's simply pointing out that tires are the most important, and the only part of the car that directly connects the car and the road; and that the questionable (lack of) maintenance on a "museum/showqueen" ought to be equally considered along with the speed/ability/recklessness of the parties involved.

His theory applies to everyone in general. I'm a tire guy, and love putting the latest/greatest summer tires on boring cars such as my DD. Used to have a few sets of rcomps for various friend's cars when we autoxed.

If there's one thing to take away from the article, it is to remind yourself to inspect your tires regularly, rotate that spare into the rotation, and look for the tell tale signs of dry rot, irregular tire wear etc.
 
If I ever have to use my 9 or 10 year old spare, I'll drive really slowly. Maybe 45-55 max depending on where I am. Don't need a blowout.

I had a great idea for replacing the spare on the cheap if you don't include it in the rotation. Find a used or worn out tire of the same size that's destined for the trash, and pay to have it mounted on the spare rim. It doesn't need much tread as long as it's not too old. The slight difference in diameter compared to a fully treaded tire won't be a problem for emergency spare use.
 
So I read this today .... What do you guys think?

The Truth Behind What Caused Paul Walker's Fatal Crash - The Drive



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a reasonable explanation.



as to the actual question. they are OLD. I just had a sidewall give out on my 35's. just a leak, but a quick leak. once I discovered it was coming from a crack in the sidewall, off it came, and the spare in its place.

checked the DOT date code, the tire is from 2002. 14 years, 40% tread remaining.

I have new tires ordered, I just hope I don't lose another one before they get here. or worse, that it happens at freeway speeds...
 
Saw that article too. I believe it was a combo of bad tires and careless driving. Business parks aren't intended to go 90MPH in, but at the same time, the tires may have been a reason he lost control of the vehicle.
 
Bottom line: Stupid Kills. Tire age is easily remedied as is reckless and imprudent driving.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
Going anywhere close to the speed limit would have definitely had a different outcome.

Sorry but blaming the tires or the make of the car is just an attempt to justify the bad driving choices and hot dogging.

I live in the area and there are way too many young guys and girls who constantly are driving at crazy speeds thinking they are the fast and the Furious. doing 100+ on the 14 weaving thru the lanes while most traffic is at 70 - 75.

It's just ironic who it was that time that it caught up to.

Southern California much have changed in the last year or so, or the 14 must be the "slow highway" in that area. No one on the 5, 10, or 15 are doing anything less than 80mph unless they want to be run off the road.
 
I agree 100%. The driver was more than capable of handling that car, but on an old tire that's more brittle, its going to break away much quicker and much easier than new tires.


I just saw that they are making new tires for the old XJ220. Some of the super cars just sit and new tires aren't made for that specific size, so when a new owner wants to test the car out, he finds out as they may look good.. they can and will kill you.

Bridgestone Is Developing a Brand-New Tire for the 1992 Jaguar XJ220 [Update: So Is Pirelli!] | Car and Driver Blog

Remember that next time you see a Countach on the road...
 
I guess most of the people responding on how stupid the driver was must have never owned a "performance" car.
 
I guess most of the people responding on how stupid the driver was must have never owned a "performance" car.

Or we were smart enough to pay attention to how old our performance tires are and save the showing off for a closed course track.

Darwin was in full effect that tragic day for the driver and passenger.
 

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