JohnsD90
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Yeah i wish they would bring that here, but what i really want is the diesel Scirrocco in that blue, that is in my top 3 cars, it is just a perfect combo, sporty, economical, and looks so sweet.
Hybrid Battery Replacement Rate...wow!
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This guy knows more than all of us about how to setup an electric car:
YouTube - Electric Drag racing: White Zombie
Notice at about the 6 minute mark, he switches to Lithium based packs.
I would like some info on how his car runs during the winter.
JohnsD90
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Yeah, unlimited torque on a brushless motor, limited only by the battery, they are quick off the line. Notice the 2nd and 3rd gen 4runners at 6:47
Thai
Elite Member
Toyota and Honda are apparently investing quite a bit of money into making it sustainable. Again, i have not seen any data out there to claim that Toyota is throwing these used batteries in the dumpster at Walmart. As the article clearly stated, NiM batteries from Toyota and Honda are fully recycled at the end of its life.
Again, FYI:
"Nickel metal hydride batteries are benign. They can be fully recycled," says Ron Cogan, editor of the Green Car Journal. Toyota and Honda say that they will recycle dead batteries and that disposal will pose no toxic hazards. Toyota puts a phone number on each battery, and they pay a $200 "bounty" for each battery to help ensure that it will be properly recycled."
JohnsD90
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It costs them $200 a battery to recycle, you actually get paid for a PB battery when it is shot, that is quite a large difference there.
Uneek
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Toyota is paying you $200 for the battery. Whatever it costs to recycle the battery is probably factored into the price of the hybrid and/or the replacement battery pack.
Just wait til theives get word of the "bounty", they'll move from sawing off cats from under Toyota trucks and SUVs to grabbing packs out of Priuses and other Toyota hybrids.
Just wait til theives get word of the "bounty", they'll move from sawing off cats from under Toyota trucks and SUVs to grabbing packs out of Priuses and other Toyota hybrids.
SkylineGTRracer
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I see don't see why the Greenies have adopted the diesel. UPS is now researching diesel hybrids in their trucks. CAT also has some hybrids. I have however seen insurance companies sell the batteries back to the manufacturers out of totaled hybrids. I think they will eventually bring those fomented cars the diesel Scirrocco, the polo, etc but they will have the DPF's that annoying urea injection and so on.
SkylineGTRracer
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That'll be a sight to see. I wonder how heavy the battery is.
JohnsD90
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Toyota also denied the accelerator problem, lied about ground clearance on the 3rd gen and also on the the approach and departure angles too.
They can be recycled, but the cost is much higher than to a PB battery. Therefor the only way for these batteries to be recycled is through the government incentives and from Honda and Toyota themselves. And again i will say, the technology isnt developed enough yet for there to be a solid recycling industry for NIHM and NICAD batteries.
The current small US TDIs aren't Bluetech, thus no urea injection. If Greenie means, having a vehicle with great fuel mileage, tons of torque, option to run a non-foodstuff-domestically-produced fuel, then so be it. Additionally, if another Katrina-like event happens, finding diesel is much easier compared to the hordes of cars that require gas. Diversity in my fuel sources (gas truck, diesel car), or having a Plan B is always preferable then being single-threaded in my opinion...YMMV.
SkylineGTRracer
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By Greenies I mean the A-holes that rip off suv wipers and vandalize them. I agree Diesel is a more efficient fuel and when I drive the PSD I got a bad look from a bunch of hippies at school saying I was killing the planet. hybrids are ok but I'd rather have a diesel truck or car (truck preferably). I must have been thinking of the Mercedes diesel than because they do have the urea injection. and of course diesels can run on alot of fuels. but I was pointing out when will the hybrids like the prius, camry, and all other hybrids move to diesel if they really wanted to save fuel.
JohnsD90
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If i ever caught one of those assh*les's ever did that to any of my cars, or if i ever saw them do it to someone elses, i would beat the shit out of them. Kids at my school don't say shit about the tdi jetta, if they did i would tell them to go f*ck themselves. What is a PSD?
I'm guessing PowerStroke. I think the reason you don't see many diesel/electric hybrids is that a diesel engine reaches peak efficiency at a constant RPM...so the constant stopping and starting of a diesel engine of the diesel/electric hybrid may only be close to the efficiency of a gas/electric hybrid (gas having the lower build cost, plus all the usual US barriers to diesel).
SkylineGTRracer
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PSD is Ford powerstroke. Well I go to a college so you run into a lot of different people with different ideas and opinions. I really don't get the whole vandalism part and it pisses me off to. so far it only happened once at my school.
SkylineGTRracer
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your right about the whole diesel hybrid concoction plus I think it would be bad on both the batteries and the starter motor. still I think there is promise if their was more research.
Thai
Elite Member
Well, you guys got me interested in the VW TDI...and found this long-term test of the VW Jetta TDI: 2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI Long-Term Test Introduction Edmunds Inside Line
Fuel economy averaged at 34 mpg, which is similar to a Camry Hybrid. Not sure about the price difference, but i would probably get the Camry Hybrid (or Fusion Hybrid) over the Jetta TDI due to Camry/Fusion being midsize vs. econobox.
Yeah, but the TDI fuel economy is nowhere near Prius.
Fuel economy averaged at 34 mpg, which is similar to a Camry Hybrid. Not sure about the price difference, but i would probably get the Camry Hybrid (or Fusion Hybrid) over the Jetta TDI due to Camry/Fusion being midsize vs. econobox.
Yeah, but the TDI fuel economy is nowhere near Prius.
JohnsD90
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As i said earlier, EPA rates diesel MPG's pretty low. This diesel thing is a debate in itself due to the 10 year old MKIV Jetta ALH TDI's getting 47 to 52mpg's while the new ones get about 10 less. Read this thread, especially post 14, something seems ass backwards in the EPA. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=279199
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Thai
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John, once again, READ what is posted. The MPG is from ACTUAL mpgs recorded by Edmunds long term test. It coincides with EPA ratings.
Thai
Elite Member
Well, sure, your old TDI may get better mpgs, but at what cost? More emissions? less power? I don't know. I am possibly in the market for a fuel miser...and there is no way i am touching a used VW. So, i am looking only at new vehicles at the moment.
