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I'm getting my daystar 2.5 put on. i plan on gettinga set of 285/75/16 wrangler mt/r's from a buddy for 300. they have about 50-60% tread left, so my question is how bad will i rub with the 285'S and the 2.5" on my 97'??? i will be sure to post pictures after the lift and hopefully with 285's unless someone talks me out of it.
 
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make sure you get the one inch diff drop when you use the daystar lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my friend is having new cv put in as we speak because of the angle the spacers put on the cv's. do it right the first time.

you can get the diff drop here
http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.ph...id=71&page=shop.browse&limit=30&limitstart=30

you may want to upgrade to longer break lines. also get new shocks and coils. your original ones will and are probably beat to hell. just giving you my 2cents from my personal experience. don't want to discourage you from lifting but its never as cheap or easy as you may think. I just don't want you to be disappointed with your decision to lift. hope this helps
 
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If you are going to get new shocks and coils you might as well get a taller spring instead of using spacers, it will definitely ride better.
 
What kind of rims are you using with it? Backspacing?

Personally I am going twith 255/85/16's when going 33's.
 
i have some 03 tundra limited rims. i dont know the backspacing but i think its the same as 5 stars or the seqouia rims maybe.
 
How is that? With a spacer lift, you retain the factory coil....which will give you a factory ride with the appropriate shocks.

You are stuffing the factory coil into a tighter space, which in turn "lifts" the vehicle. By doing this you will have a stiffer ride as well as lost suspension travel.

Here is an excerpt from sonoransteel.com

18. What about SPACER LIFTS, A spacer lift is where you insert a puck, spacer or some foreign object into or on top of your coil, to force the vehicle to sit higher off the ground. These can be made from plastic, steel, aluminum or polyurethane. Spacer lifts are what they are. It was my first lift and the rear spacers keep me happy for 6 months or so and the fronts for less than 9 months. If a spacer lift is the only thing you can afford, so be it. It is better than nothing, or is it? After you read the drawbacks of a spacer lift, maybe stock would actually "work" better off road.

Benefits of a Spacer Lift:
A. Lifts the truck 1-3" higher
B. Very Inexpensive

Downfalls of a spacer lift:
A. The biggest one is that they re-use your stock coils, which is not really a good thing if you are looking for a lift. 96-98 4Runners were 3/4" to 1" lower than the 1999 model year, 2000 was along the lines of 96-98 and 01-02 4Runners were the lowest yet, over 1" lower than the same model 1999 4Runner. When your starting out 1" to 2" lower your 2"-3" spacers are only going to get you 1" or so above a 1999 4WD 4Runner bone stock. Replacing the coils is a far better way to actually gain lift. Take a look at our front coil comparison for yourself. Also take a look at this photo showing all the different heights of 3rd Gen 4Runner coils, Obviously you can see only model 1999 is going to get the full advertised height increase. All other years will get less as the coils they were given by the factory are shorter. Same motor, model, wheels, etc.
B. Spacers placed inside the spring pack preload the coil for lift, make it live in a smaller area, by reducing the area it is allowed to live in you in turn reduce upward travel. So you now have less travel than stock, that is not a good thing when you start with so little. Also making the coil live in smaller area without adjusting your a-arms bump stops to compensate will over compress the coil and cause it to stack and fail at a very fast rate. Ask around and see how many people had coils sag or drop with spacers over time. Spacers placed outside the coil pack, these typically add material to the very top of the assembly only and increase the shock length which will lead to excessive droop, if not used with the very short factory stock (black) Toyota shocks as the 96-02 4Runners do not have the droop stops of the 86-95 Trucks and 4Runners. This excessive droop will cause the outer CV to bind and literally rip the star out of the joint, resulting in a broken CV axle and a dead truck. Front shock length is critical on these vehicles. This can be fixed with limiting straps, but why not do it right from the beginning.

So with less travel because the coil will stack sooner, it seems to us that spacer lifts actually reduce the effectiveness of your vehicle off road. The purpose of our lift kits is to gain the lift without loosing any of the travel the factory provided, as they did not provide much to begin with. It's a cheap way to lift a truck, but don't expect much in the actual performance area. If you are looking for a long term solution, I would aim higher than a spacer lift. Our experience with front spacers. Our Experience with rear spacers.

Some more interesting Data about the lift these spacer kits give you. Company One Advertises: 3", Company Two Advertises: 3", Company Three Advertises: 2.5" and Our Kits set at 2.0" all produce the EXACT same front lift in the end. There is a point of no return on the Toyota IFS, you can only go so high or it self-destructs' all good lifts go to this height. Which can be called 2" by some or 3" by others.
 
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You are stuffing the factory coil into a tighter space, which in turn "lifts" the vehicle. By doing this you will have a stiffer ride as well as lost suspension travel.

Wrong. The spring rate of the spring does not change because it's length does not change. The spacer goes on TOP of the strut/coil. The extra weight of the spacer does not compress the spring anymore than it was prior to the install of the spacer. This is why the vehicle gains lift when you install the spacer. If the spacer compressed the spring, then it would not lift the vehicle. Those instructions that you listed talk about placing the spacer INSIDE the strut. This is not how the spacers are supposed to be installed (at least, that is not how I installed my Daystar spacers). They are placed ON TOP of the upper strut mount. I have been running coil spacers on my lifted vehicles for over 10 years and have NEVER had an issue. One vehicle that runs them gets wheeled hard very frequently.

The only way that you can possibly change the spring rate of your coil is to not properly extend your bumpstops when you lift the vehicle. This would allow overcompression of the spring which would cause it damage.

Also, you, in no way, lose suspension travel by installing a coil spacer on top of the coil along with appropriate length shocks...
 
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Just put lift on my 99 Limited. Spacers in front and coil springs (FJ80) that gave it about 3" lift. I will post pics soon but anyway I put on Nitto's 285 75 16 yesterday and they rub into sharp turn and probably on some good bumps. Either way rides great. Going to put on the diff drop kit asa I get some spacers and longer bolts for skid plate as I don't want to modify it. Anyone know where I can get those?
 
Just put lift on my 99 Limited. Spacers in front and coil springs (FJ80) that gave it about 3" lift. I will post pics soon but anyway I put on Nitto's 285 75 16 yesterday and they rub into sharp turn and probably on some good bumps. Either way rides great. Going to put on the diff drop kit asa I get some spacers and longer bolts for skid plate as I don't want to modify it. Anyone know where I can get those?

A diff drop kit from Toytec includes all the extra spacers and bolts for the skid plate to go back on correctly without modification
 
Wrong. The spring rate of the spring does not change because it's length does not change. The spacer goes on TOP of the strut/coil. The extra weight of the spacer does not compress the spring anymore than it was prior to the install of the spacer. This is why the vehicle gains lift when you install the spacer. If the spacer compressed the spring, then it would not lift the vehicle. Those instructions that you listed talk about placing the spacer INSIDE the strut. This is not how the spacers are supposed to be installed (at least, that is not how I installed my Daystar spacers). They are placed ON TOP of the upper strut mount. I have been running coil spacers on my lifted vehicles for over 10 years and have NEVER had an issue. One vehicle that runs them gets wheeled hard very frequently.

The only way that you can possibly change the spring rate of your coil is to not properly extend your bumpstops when you lift the vehicle. This would allow overcompression of the spring which would cause it damage.

Also, you, in no way, lose suspension travel by installing a coil spacer on top of the coil along with appropriate length shocks...

These spacers they are talking about are pre-load spacers that go in between the coil and top plate, not top plate spacers like you are referring to. Did you even read the excerpt that he posted? Have you built anything that can compare to what Steve from Sonoran has built?
 
These spacers they are talking about are pre-load spacers that go in between the coil and top plate, not top plate spacers like you are referring to. Did you even read the excerpt that he posted? Have you built anything that can compare to what Steve from Sonoran has built?

The OP was asking about the Daystar 2.5" kit. This is the only 2.5" kit that Daystar has listed on their website for his vehicle:
http://www.daystarweb.com/productdetail.php?productID=537

None of the products on that page are coil spacers that are placed anywhere but ABOVE the coil (above the strut mount on the fronts and above the coil on the rear). Those spacers do NOT sit between the coil and the upper strut mount. Here is a quote from the link I provided above:
"Top-Mount design, meaning that our components bolt to the top of the factory strut assembly. This type of leveling kit does not preload the factory coil spring, so factory ride quality is maintained, and installation requires only simple hand tools."

Here is a picture of a similar spacer (shorter Daystar) installed on a 98 4R:
P1020454.jpg~original

(notice the location of the spacer)


Yes, I read his quote.

Yes, I have built suspensions and many other products for other vehicles (everything from axle swaps and gear installs to bumpers and swingouts).


Spacers do adversely affect ride quality, making the ride stiffer than stock.

I suppose that is your opinion, but I disagree.
 
I suppose that is your opinion, but I disagree.

Aside from body lifts, there is no way to add height without sacrificing some sort of ride quality. Some people call it "firmer" and see it as a benefit, but it's still stiffer. Since spacers aren't meant for vehicles used off-road, they have less of an impact on day-to-day ride quality, but it's definitely still a factor.
 
Since spacers aren't meant for vehicles used off-road,

You have got to be kidding me?!?! Not meant for offroad? Why is that?

BTW, I've wheeled this jeep for the past 10 years running all sorts of different suspension setups and almost always use coil spacers to achieve the height that I want and have NEVER had an issue:
1445882397_l.jpg~original


Coil spacers are absolutely meant for and are perfectly safe to use in an off road vehicle.
 
The OP was asking about the Daystar 2.5" kit. This is the only 2.5" kit that Daystar has listed on their website for his vehicle:
http://www.daystarweb.com/productdetail.php?productID=537

None of the products on that page are coil spacers that are placed anywhere but ABOVE the coil (above the strut mount on the fronts and above the coil on the rear). Those spacers do NOT sit between the coil and the upper strut mount. Here is a quote from the link I provided above:
"Top-Mount design, meaning that our components bolt to the top of the factory strut assembly. This type of leveling kit does not preload the factory coil spring, so factory ride quality is maintained, and installation requires only simple hand tools."

Here is a picture of a similar spacer (shorter Daystar) installed on a 98 4R:
P1020454.jpg~original

(notice the location of the spacer)


Yes, I read his quote.

Yes, I have built suspensions and many other products for other vehicles (everything from axle swaps and gear installs to bumpers and swingouts).




I suppose that is your opinion, but I disagree.

I stand corrected.
 
You have got to be kidding me?!?! Not meant for offroad? Why is that?

BTW, I've wheeled this jeep for the past 10 years running all sorts of different suspension setups and almost always use coil spacers to achieve the height that I want and have NEVER had an issue:

Coil spacers are absolutely meant for and are perfectly safe to use in an off road vehicle.

Yes, they are safe to use... you are putting words into my mouth if you are implying I said otherwise.

The performance of spacers off-road is sub-par at best. They provide no benefits other than ride height. Spacers are great if you are just an occasional recreational off-roader... Hence why I had spacers first.
 
They provide no benefits other than ride height. Spacers are great if you are just an occasional recreational off-roader... Hence why I had spacers first.

You cant be serious. They provide lift, which allows the use of larger tires which gives you diff clearance.....helping you clear obstacles. The spacers achieve the same results as longer coils. How is their performance "sub-par"???

Please list a specific downfall to using spacers over coils...

Yes, they are safe to use... you are putting words into my mouth if you are implying I said otherwise.
I am just reading what you type. You said: "Since spacers aren't meant for vehicles used off-road"
 
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