I hope the 6th gen is not based on the 2016 Tacoma

03_4x4Runner

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I set in several of the new 2016 Tacoma's. I am not overly impressed. The seat seemed very low with my legs extended to reach the pedal. I like a higher seat more like setting in a chair. I paint on the sand colored Tacoma seemed very dull and not a very high quality finish. I did not really care for the dash layout. From the magazines reviews I have read the 3.5 has even less low end torque than the old 4.0 and needs to rev very high to make power.
 
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Has any 4Runner ever been based on the Tacoma? Pretty sure they're completely different platforms...
 
Give it a test drive, it drove great. The 4r weighs more but it is a pretty good bet that is the drivetrain. I would expect it to pick of some of the fortuner design elements as well, but hopefully not the awful bobsled seating.
 
I speculate...

Same drive-train for sure. They have always shared a lot on the platform side, just not everything.

Next gen 4runner will have more luxury features.... Interior will not be shared.
 
A new Land Cruiser debuted not long ago. Of course it remains BOF and the Prado will be updated as well. I'm fairly certain the next gen will be based on the Prado and have US only body (current gen 4Runner is only available in a few countries, can't remember which ones). Like it has for years. The Tacoma debuted (sort of) recently with the new 3.5 V6, so yeah, expect it to be next powerplant.

I agree with other sentiments about the interior. I think it sucks, but I know it's a solid truck. If you pay attention to most Toyotas, what's with the "bench style" dashboard?? Am I the only one who HATES that? I love the Highlander, but that interior, geeeeeeeeeeze. It's like looking at Kate Upton only to find out there is a large gap in between her front teeth.

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It won't be built off a 3rd gen Tacoma because really the new Tacos have the exact same cab as the 2nd gens which is why the seating position never changed. They changed the interior layout and components but the cab itself is the same. So to me I highly doubt they'd release a new 4runner based off a 2005 design.
 
The 6 speed will make up for the torque easily. My rx350 feels much more powerful across the board due to better gearing. It weighs the same. OTOH the new hilux has a 4.0 d4s. So maybe we'll get to keep the longer stroke.

I'd like to see the 4.6 v8 get the full d4s treatment and see if it gets to 20mpg. We know a small block Chevy could probably turn out 22-24 mpg.

I'd rather lose 500lbs and keep the same engine but I don't think that's on the cards.
 
Has any 4Runner ever been based on the Tacoma? Pretty sure they're completely different platforms...


Actually, they are the same platform. The Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, 4Runner, Lexus GX and Land Cruiser Prado are all on the same platform. Their frames are very similar. The bodies are different, but the platform is the same.
 
Not gonna lie...I would not mind a 2016 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-Road crew-cab 4x4 with a 6spd manual. In black....

I would not mind it one bit.
 
Actually, they are the same platform. The Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, 4Runner, Lexus GX and Land Cruiser Prado are all on the same platform. Their frames are very similar. The bodies are different, but the platform is the same.

I always thought the Tacoma frames were quite a bit different. The bulk of it is an open c-channel design not boxed like the Prado based vehicles.
 
From an engineering development standpoint, the 4Runner will be built to minimize production costs, thereby maximizing profit margin (Toyota is in business to make money after all) while not sacrificing the QDR (Quality, Durability, Reliability) of the product (since this is predominantly the benchmark that drives their exceptionally high resale value and the main reason people buy a BOF SUV anymore).

After having watched several interview with sweers (the lead of the new Tacoma, who before that was the lead of the new Tundra redesign) it's pretty apparent Toyota knows the audience they're trying to target with their entire Truck line in North America. While I don't know who the chief engineer is for the 4Runner I would guess he/she and the Land cruiser Chief Engineer would talk routinely (similiar to the way Sweers did with the hiliux platform chief engineer and used his previous Tundra experience during development of the "all new 2016 Tacoma". It's the nature of business nowadays. incorporating lessons learned from all over the company and product lines...)

At the end of the day, all technologies for the 4Runner (and just abour every other truck/suv platform from toyota lexus) trickle down from the Land Cruiser, it is the design standard for Toyota BOF SUV's which is why it's considered the flagship. This platform goes through all the rigorous product development so when other models use it, they don't have to absorb the R&D costs...(Which is also why the LC is so freaking expepensive to absorb this new technology R&D costs for the first ... Toyota cannot afford to mess up the LC/LX platform in the world market) for example, kdss, crawl control all started on the Land Cruiser in 2008 with the LC200 and it eventually trickled down to the 4Runner for the 5th Gen release in 2010 on the trail model (Tacoma and GX just got crawl control this year on certain models... and none of these models cost as much as the LC200 with the same exact technology offered.... I digress) Overall, I would expect a completely redesigned exterior and interior to completely change the customer interface with the vehicle to try to reach the Target audience toyota is trying to reach (Whatever that is based on their surverys and feedback received). It has to feel new even if the guts are service proven otherwise no one would buy it.

One thing I know for sure, nothing of subtance will be debuted for the first time ever on the 6th Gen 4Runner. Look to other similiar platforms and trickle down from the Land Cruiser (e.g. the 4runner will likely get the old Land Cruiser 6 speed since it got an 8 speed for 2016 and while this may seem new to the 4runner, the LC200 has been using it for years... (Decisions like this allow Toyota to maintain the industry lead in QDR while minimizing new product development costs. It's how all good engineering companies work, not just automotive manufacturers.)

I wouldn't be shocked for the 4runner to have the same engine as the Tacoma with a different ECU tuning to achieve more low end torque. I also wouldn't be surpised for the 6th Gen 4Runner to get a mid year refresh with (lighter weight materials which will undoubtedly be used for the LC300 and introduce the 8speed tranny which is already offered for 2016 on the LC/LX platform ). These supply/ logistics chains will already be established for the Land Cruiser so for Toyota Japan to tap into them would be most cost effective... and probably lower their cost due to volume buying/purchasing agreements.

I do look forward to seeing what they piece together for the 6th Gen... they have a lot of service proven technology to improve the model for the North American Market. Overall I'd love to see the next gen 4Runner to have the same towing capacity as the GX model line but I doubt this will be possible without the 4.6L powerplant being offered as an option.... and I'm not sure they willing to do that. For me, this is the biggest issue for the next gen 4Runner, towing capacity (surprisingly the all new Tacoma has a 6400 towing capacity with the 3.5L V6. It would be nice if the 5th gen 4runner could match this spec...)
 
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I have to think they'll borrow the engine and tranny from the new Tacoma for the 6th Gen 4Runner, just like they did in 2010.

Would also be nice to see them tweak the new V-6 like they did in 2010 when they put it in the 4Runner, but knowing Toyota I would be shocked if they messed with a 1-year old powertrain.

I would love to have the 6-speed in my 4Runner, they should have come with them in 2010 or 2014, but again, Toyota is not cutting edge.

The new Tacoma V-6 would be nice to have for the MPG, but as I've pointed out the power numbers are certainly disappointing for a new motor.

2017 should be interesting...
 
The new Tacoma V-6 would be nice to have for the MPG, but as I've pointed out the power numbers are certainly disappointing for a new motor.
Over at Tacoma World forums new owners seem to be kind of disappointed in the less than advertised mileage claims on an OEM stock truck. 16 to 18 mpg seems common and what I can manage in my lifted 4runner with heavy duratracs. I would think it would do better in the mpg dept with the lesser engine. Was contemplating trading for one for about a day then my sanity returned.
 
Over at Tacoma World forums new owners seem to be kind of disappointed in the less than advertised mileage claims on an OEM stock truck. 16 to 18 mpg seems common and what I can manage in my lifted 4runner with heavy duratracs. I would think it would do better in the mpg dept with the lesser engine. Was contemplating trading for one for about a day then my sanity returned.

16-18 mpg is horrid if true. You can get that on some full size trucks.
 
The Taco and 4R do share the same frame and most components. The seats are a little lower in the Taco than the 4R, IMO. I did put washers under the front seats (the front two bolts driver and passenger) to change the angle of how your legs sit, it helped out but is not perfect.

If you want to go to a pickup from the 4R, I suggest going to the Tundra or buy a utility trailer and call it a day.
 
I have to think they'll borrow the engine and tranny from the new Tacoma for the 6th Gen 4Runner, just like they did in 2010.

Would also be nice to see them tweak the new V-6 like they did in 2010 when they put it in the 4Runner, but knowing Toyota I would be shocked if they messed with a 1-year old powertrain.

I would love to have the 6-speed in my 4Runner, they should have come with them in 2010 or 2014, but again, Toyota is not cutting edge.

The new Tacoma V-6 would be nice to have for the MPG, but as I've pointed out the power numbers are certainly disappointing for a new motor.

2017 should be interesting...

I agree, interesting would be the word I use to describe the next gen 4Runner as well.

If you read TacomaWorld you can see a lot of the new owners are not digging the 6 speed in the Tacoma. For whatever reason the shift points feel off and the truck tends to hunt for a gear (likely for fuel economy purposes/ programming)... ( I experienced this myself during a test drive of a new Tacoma last week) for this reason (combined with the fact the LC and 4Runner are both built in Japan and the Tacomas are built in Mexico/ Baja) I would bet the 6 speed transmission comes from the LC200, not the new Tacoma. Toyota can take the same supply chain they used for the LC200 - 6 speed, renew the existing contract for the 6th gen 4runner with zero risk. It's service proven and the the lead time kinks have already been worked out for the LC200 production over the past 7 years. This is the "Trickle down effect" I was referencing in the above post...everything trickles down from the Land Cruiser, eventually.... to the other models.
 

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