MossJenks
New member
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand. Why would you want to buy more gas than you have to? I try to save money anywhere I can so that I CAN afford a $36k+ truck.
I really don't understand the 4Runner's engine/tranmission situation.
- Thread starter engineeer
- Start date
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand. Why would you want to buy more gas than you have to? I try to save money anywhere I can so that I CAN afford a $36k+ truck.
Cheers!
Member
I have a 2016 GMC Yukon XL Denali on lease for 2 years. Magride, 6.2L V8. You name it. I can get better fuel econ (city and highway) than my 2015 4Runner I own.
I write off the GMC for work. I would never buy the GMC. I cringe to think when everything in that thing will need fixing. Power folding seats for the back. Dual zone auto climate control. Cylinder deactivation etc...
I write off the GMC for work. I would never buy the GMC. I cringe to think when everything in that thing will need fixing. Power folding seats for the back. Dual zone auto climate control. Cylinder deactivation etc...
SacStateHornets
New member
That's like saying I bought a $300,000 house but can't afford to run the A/C. Maybe buy a $200,000 house and have money for something else. 4Runner is not an economy vehicle and I don't want it to ever become one as there are trade offs.
Gas hasn't been this cheap in 20yrs. Why sweat it? Gas/oil keeps the economy humming, that is why I don't mind spending a few more cents.
Price goes up by a dollar/gallon, what is that another few bucks to fill up? You just spent $$$ on that new set of wheels that you can't see while your driving. But complain about a few gallons of gas.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Last edited:
Jack19
Member
I get 16.5 in the city, and 24 highway. On stock size BFG AT KO2s, at 70mph. I like all of the 6 cylinders to be working all the time and, I get PT 4WD.
That said, how many first generation Tahoes, circa 1992, do you still see on the road? Few, if any. Where I live, I see 1st and 2nd Gen 4Rs. They are not rare.
I grew up in Detroit, my Dad worked for GM, and Ford; I understand American car loyalty, as does anyone who grew up there, but, I'll never buy Big 3 cars again.
That said, how many first generation Tahoes, circa 1992, do you still see on the road? Few, if any. Where I live, I see 1st and 2nd Gen 4Rs. They are not rare.
I grew up in Detroit, my Dad worked for GM, and Ford; I understand American car loyalty, as does anyone who grew up there, but, I'll never buy Big 3 cars again.
Last edited:
1engineer
Moderator
Go for it. Have fun writing the petition.
Toyota does focus groups to determine what the public wants. They do it a lot all over the country. The 3.5 engine will address some of it. It take a a major automotive oem about 5-7 years to make a change like that. Whatever Toyota will introduce next was addressed 5-7 years ago.
I don't know what you do for a living but I design the things that will be used 5-7 years LATER in the off highway mobile equipment world. That's the way it works.
Now, if you have an idea for the 2024 model, then I'm sure Toyota will be all ears.
I don't care about the cost of filling up. I care about driving range now and even more so if/when I add weight to the vehicle (e.g. a roof rack, winch, etc.).
83Mule
New member
I don't buy a Truck with MPG as the deciding factor. Toyota will screw these fine trucks up if they listen to ''Soccer Moms'' in the focus group instead of those who actually use them Off-Road. Tahoes don't get used like 4Runners IMO. Look at the Wrangler with the minivan 3.8.....no torque, and rev the tar out of it to go.......THAT is where Toyota will go with the 4Runner and the pathetic 3.5L if they listen to the Moms..........I would rather they lose weight to gain MPG and even punch the 4.0L out to 4.2 for more torque at lower RPM than go with even more Thingamajigs and weight with a wimpy motor. Jeep corrected the problem somewhat with the Pentastar...and it still isn't the old 4.0 off road.:rockon:
The Rolls is for a very different market, however, the Tahoe and 4r are chasing after a similar market.
The Tahoe at starting 10k or so more, does/should have some advantages to attract buyers.
ToyoT4R
Member
Cylinder deactivation is probably the biggest contribution to the Suburban's fuel economy. I had a Yukon Denali rental a few weeks ago and during my 220 mile round trip commute to work I averaged about 21 mpg. When I had a 4Runner for a rental, I averaged about 13 mpg on the same commute.
keep in mind some of the new 7,8,9 gear trannys are unproven and have been unreliable in many cases *cough Jeep and a Chevy*. I am sure they will improve them with every iteration. That said, all the american trucks seem to have all the new gadgets, setups and goodies for a lower price...
ToyoT4R
Member
True. I rented a new F-150 last month and it had a 10 speed auto with the 3.5 twin turbo. Very good power and fuel mileage too, results from a long term off road durability test would be good to see.
wfo9
New member
The chevy motor is light years ahead. Simple, cheap and efficient. Hard to beat in the truck world. People will try, but never do in the long run. Ask Ford.
ToyoT4R
Member
Agreed. It's amazing how far they have taken the pushrod V-8 with the Vortec engines and now with the EcoTec engines.
With aftermarket tires BFG 275/70/R17 and top rack the car computer displays an average 15.9 mpg at 5000 miles driven. The calculated MPG using the gas receipts for the 5000 miles is 17.1 MPG
This results are for mixed town and highway 50/50
Previous with the stock tires the MPG was 19MPG
No doubt that the engineering can do better for this model but for what the 4R was designed is not bad at all.
This results are for mixed town and highway 50/50
Previous with the stock tires the MPG was 19MPG
No doubt that the engineering can do better for this model but for what the 4R was designed is not bad at all.
