shootmymime
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There is no substitute.
for what? the only vehicle in the garage.
i see what one you favor more!!! :clap2:
If you were to buy a sports car
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for what? the only vehicle in the garage.
i see what one you favor more!!! :clap2:
Well, the OP did list the cars his Dad is interested in, so all these other suggestions seem kind of pointless.
As for the RS7, it is a nice car. A neighbor owns one, and I've driven it. It's deep but subdued exhaust note sounds great. What I don't like is the automated manual trans which has become pretty much standard on higher performance cars these days.
Yes, I know they shift faster, but IMO they also are a major detractor to the driving experience, which for me is a big part of the reason to own a performance car.
As for the RS7, it is a nice car. A neighbor owns one, and I've driven it. It's deep but subdued exhaust note sounds great. What I don't like is the automated manual trans which has become pretty much standard on higher performance cars these days.
Yes, I know they shift faster, but IMO they also are a major detractor to the driving experience, which for me is a big part of the reason to own a performance car.
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Audi's. now don't get me wrong, they are awesome cars under the skin, but when I have to read the model plate on the back of the car to tell the difference between pretty much all the audi's, they need to find a way to distinguish the models. they all seem to use the same body with different mechanicals under the skin.
but then again I see a lot of others are falling into suit also with this direction.
at least the 4runner, you can tell a big difference between the LE and the SR5 and the TE.
but then again I see a lot of others are falling into suit also with this direction.
at least the 4runner, you can tell a big difference between the LE and the SR5 and the TE.
I'm telling you, RS7 is the way to go...
It looks aggressive but it's not over the top. It's subtle and kind of understated but a f'n monster. It's Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. It's a high end luxury car, it has the flexibility of a hatchback, and it has the balls of supercar. It's has a 4.0 Liter twin turbo V8 wth a power band you have to experience to be able to comprehend... at 1,000 rpm it's already putting out 295 ft/lbs of tq. Think about that, right off idle, 295 ft/lbs. From 1,750 rpm all the way until 5,500 rpm it puts out a massive 516 ft/lbs of torque, thats an insane power band. Horse power is peaked at 560 from 5,700-6,600 rpm. Audi claims a conservative 3.7 second 0-60 time.
What even more impressive is how it handles mods. A couple weeks ago I got a used RS7 that was traded in (for an R8 V10 Plus) that had an APR ECM flash. With a simple software update it puts out 674 hp and 700 tq on regular 93 octane pump gas. It was literally gut wrenchingly fast. With that much power channelled through the quattro system the acceleration is so brutal it almost nauseating.
Im going to agree with you... sort of. I know the OP said RWD, but AWD can be just as fun.
I wouldn't suggest an A/S/RS7 because its too big and clearly the OP will want less of a daily driver. However, a TT in any form (or any other VW/Audi for that matter) will be a ton of fun with a great base to mod. I sold my MK6 GTI for the 4runner and even that was fun. I had an APR stage 1 tune on it and some other goodies and gees it was a blast (and that's with FWD). Audis and VW's just take so well to mods that there's enough reason consider them.
LandCruiser
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If you don't want a Corvette, get the Fox frame Mustangs from the late 90s, early 2000s.
Eibach coilover kit, gut the interior, cage, and semi slick racing tires.
You could probably buy and build one for less than 8-10 grand.
I used to race one. The combination of the cheapness, V8, stiff suspension, light weight means that you can smoke BMWs, Porsches, and other weekend cars.
When you're not afraid of going off, drive a car slapped together from junkyard parts, and can fix it for less than 500 bucks--you tend to drive a lot better than the old fat doctors in their Porsches and Audis who are afraid of shredding a 5000 dollar set of tires and getting rock chips on their matte paint.
Oh, and most insurance companies will laugh when you wreck your 150k GT3 on a track.
This isn't GT for the Playstation.
Eibach coilover kit, gut the interior, cage, and semi slick racing tires.
You could probably buy and build one for less than 8-10 grand.
I used to race one. The combination of the cheapness, V8, stiff suspension, light weight means that you can smoke BMWs, Porsches, and other weekend cars.
When you're not afraid of going off, drive a car slapped together from junkyard parts, and can fix it for less than 500 bucks--you tend to drive a lot better than the old fat doctors in their Porsches and Audis who are afraid of shredding a 5000 dollar set of tires and getting rock chips on their matte paint.
Oh, and most insurance companies will laugh when you wreck your 150k GT3 on a track.
This isn't GT for the Playstation.
To me, a track car is something possibly old, beat up and cheap enough such that when you lose it at Buttonwillow on that last turn coming onto the front straight and you wind up plowing into the wall, your life doesn't enter financial ruin. A 10 year old WRX or maybe a Mustang/Camaro from the mid-90s is what I have in mind for this.
A sports car is something that provides you with a direct connection to the road, something light with proper handling balance, something that begs you to drive it up Angeles Crest Highway when you have nothing else to do, something with an amazing engine note when you stand on the loud pedal, something with just enough practicality to take you and your significant other on a weekend trip up the coast. It's *not* something that makes a great daily commuter, although there are a few of them (such as the 911 to which I'm biased) that work great on a daily basis.
I love big, fast German cruise missiles like the M5, E63 and yes, RS7, but none of them are as fun or inspirational to drive as a Honda S2000 even though they are all WAY faster.
LMR
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To the op, your Dad needs to drive all 3 you listed and make a decision based off that. If he wants a toy with power and a blast to drive he should check this out.
1993 700whp Custom Color Show Stopping Turbo Widebody NSX. Unique! JH4NA1156PT000630
I got to drive it while it was still in SoCal, now in Washington (Seattle area) All I can say is Holy F'n Sh*t:wow::biggrin1:
1993 700whp Custom Color Show Stopping Turbo Widebody NSX. Unique! JH4NA1156PT000630
I got to drive it while it was still in SoCal, now in Washington (Seattle area) All I can say is Holy F'n Sh*t:wow::biggrin1:
kfitz77555
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not penny over 57k
A brand new Mustang GT loaded with everything (all the goodies + performance pack) comes out to ~45K. Not a bad option...
In that case I'd be looking hard at the C7. It's a much better car than the C6.
kfitz77555
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There is no substitute.
Oh man dont get me wrong, the 911 is my favorite sports car of all time. My mom currently has a pretty quick one off porsche right now. But my mom hardly drives it and my dad respects them, but he thinks they're down right ugly.
Oh and Audis are and never will be in the picture. My dad has hated them from the 80's on. He rally'd a gremlin with 304 V8 and said it was always pain in the ass to keep up with them...when they were running haha.
But yah anyways hates audi and AWD in general.
This is the car he is selling.
Wants to spend around 55k
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LandCruiser
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Why I don't drive a "sports" car.
-roads around here are shit, I don't feel like hammering my car to bits or my kidneys and spine. Low profile tires tend to explode when they hit your typical Colorado pot hole, and there's gravel all over the roads.
-if you want to drive it the way it was "designed" to be driven, you're either breaking the law, endangering other drivers, or both.
-snow and ice
-I can sit in traffic in a beaten up 4Runner or a 100 grand German car...can't tell the difference, oh, wait, a sequential clutchless manual or just a general manual transmission is a ***** in stop and go traffic in a town there 7% grades are common
If I drove long distances regularly, I'd get a grand tourer and skip the "sport" suspension and tires, they're crap.
On the other hand, I can maintain a track car for next to nothing after the initial investment and not have to worry about it.
-roads around here are shit, I don't feel like hammering my car to bits or my kidneys and spine. Low profile tires tend to explode when they hit your typical Colorado pot hole, and there's gravel all over the roads.
-if you want to drive it the way it was "designed" to be driven, you're either breaking the law, endangering other drivers, or both.
-snow and ice
-I can sit in traffic in a beaten up 4Runner or a 100 grand German car...can't tell the difference, oh, wait, a sequential clutchless manual or just a general manual transmission is a ***** in stop and go traffic in a town there 7% grades are common
If I drove long distances regularly, I'd get a grand tourer and skip the "sport" suspension and tires, they're crap.
On the other hand, I can maintain a track car for next to nothing after the initial investment and not have to worry about it.
I got a chance to drive a C7 Stingray not long ago (6spd w/ Z51). The thing I didn't like about it was how humongous it felt, even right after stepping out of my 4runner. You sit down low and look out over this really long hood that curves up and away from you. Visibility sucks. That being said it had a nice ride, it stuck to the ground like glue and strangely enough it didn't feel cheap inside.
I get why people like them. They're a tremendous performance value. They're just not for me.
There are so many who don't realize this. I tell people that a track car should be something that you can throw the keys into a burning pile of rubble & say "well, that was fun."
That being said, I keep watching the values of the E30 M3s (first gen) go up & wonder what I was thinking converting mine into a track rat. I just continue to justify it by telling myself that I've gone too far already. Plus, I like blasting past modern sports cars in a 25 yo car with 180 at the wheels. Also, most of the southeastern tracks are well designed to not really cause any trouble.
For the OP, M3 all the way. A simple test drive will let your dad know why M3s saturate most track events...
This was my last ride. The Shelby's are fun cars in a straight line, but they are not so great at cornering. It was a blast to drive and it garnered a lot of looks. I rarely drove it. It was an 08 and I sold it last month with only 17k on the odometer. This was my second Shelby. If I had to do it over, I would go with a 13 Boss 302. Great power and awesome handling.
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