Is the Federal Gun Grab over?

[aha2988]

It depends on the state. In FL I could defend others if their life is in danger or to prevent a forcible felony.

That said, the gun only comes out if I intend to immediately pull the trigger and can justify deadly force.

It does depend upon state regulations. I was listing North carolina CCW regulations from the handbook provided from the class via north carolina department of justice.

Like Thai also said if I become in direct line of sight of a life threatening attack or felony act such as someone being raped then yes I have the privilege to return deadly force or stop the violent act. As a CCW holder do i go around looking for this kind of behavior.. No...

getting your ass kicked because you ran your mouth about something to the wrong person just doesn't quite fall into that category lol. Unfortunately less educated people (a lot of the gun grabbers that ran out and bought guns for the first time) just don't understand that.

 

[bofa]

I am wondering how the Libertarian and Conservatives here (I'm pretty much an independant on a large range of issues) feel about the talk by McCain and Gramm requesting the President declare the Boston bomber who is a US Citizen a enemy combatant, denying him a trial by jury. They both acknowledged that the US courts might eventually rule on the issue or enemy combatants.

Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




:snacker:

You won't find me towing a party line. I'm fully capable of making decisions for myself and really could care less about special interests. :wave:

The 6th amendment application (or revocation in this case) is an interesting one... how could a terrorist that openly hates America ever receive a trial by an impartial jury on American soil?

 

[bofa]

Unfortunately less educated people (a lot of the gun grabbers that ran out and bought guns for the first time) just don't understand that.

This is true.... so would you say recent proposals by state and fed government have put more guns on the streets, and in less capable hands, than ever before? :snacker:

 

[aha2988]

This is true.... so would you say recent proposals by state and fed government have put more guns on the streets, and in less capable hands, than ever before? :snacker:

I wouldn't say the proposals caused it. More so the public reaction to the proposals. Instead of writing, emailing, lobbying senators and representatives, everyone went out and bought what many assumed would no longer be available at some point. Some of those people were legit in their purchase purposes; however, I would believe many of the mass purchases fell into a category of people like this:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-topic/138513-road-rage.html

They clearly have no idea what there rights as a gun owner are. If they do they don't care. As well as due to there actions they will never be able to own a fire arm again (happened over here in NC).

Also if you watch the way in which the man and women handle the fire arm you'll notice they have zero handgun safety training.

 

[bofa]

I wouldn't say the proposals caused it. More so the public reaction to the proposals. Instead of writing, emailing, lobbying senators and representatives, everyone went out and bought what many assumed would no longer be available at some point. Some of those people were legit in their purchase purposes; however, I would believe many of the mass purchases fell into a category of people like this:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-topic/138513-road-rage.html

They clearly have no idea what there rights as a gun owner are. If they do they don't care. As well as due to there actions they will never be able to own a fire arm again (happened over here in NC).

Also if you watch the way in which the man and women handle the fire arm you'll notice they have zero handgun safety training.

Yeah but where action causes a reaction, the two are infinitely related in my book. My point was it has set the stage for more stupidity like linked above than ever before. Well, that and hopefully a surplus of insanely cheap firearms and ammo for the rest of us over the next decade as things cool off.

 

[M1911]

I'm not assuming they are safe areas around the venues (in the Venues I feel fine) but I do know the areas and I stay keenly aware and alert plus I'm not carrying much on my for anybody to steal and that's on purpose. Being smart is half the battle.

Is being smart and observant a good thing? Sure is. So is defensive driving. But even though I practice defensive driving, I still wear my seat belt.

Even though I try to be smart and observant, that doesn't mean I'll be able to avoid every confrontation. And just because I'm not carrying a lot of money doesn't ensure that an assailant will be satisfied with just taking what I have. That assailant may not even want my money. He may want to have his way with my wife, and at age 53 I'm unlikely to win a hand-to-hand fight with most assailants, let alone empty hand against a weapon.

Finally, when I'm out taking photographs, I'm carrying more than $6K of camera gear and I'm out around sunset and sunrise.

What are the chances that I'll need to use my gun to defend myself? Low and I do everything I can to keep it that way. But low isn't the same as zero.

Some people prefer to count on luck/God/karma to keep them safe. That is their choice. I prefer to have an insurance policy with me (usually Mr. Kimber and/or Mr. Kahr, but sometimes Mr. Glock, and on rare occasion my round friend Mr. S&W) just in case my luck runs out.

 

[BrianSD_42]

M1911,

It must have been difficult to get a concealed carry permit in MA. How did you pull that off?

You obviously don't have to answer but I know that in MA just like San Diego, you are required to write a letter explaining in detail why you need a CCL. In San Diego county we dont' just need to write a letter, we are required to also show letters from at least 2 other persons stating why they feel the applicant needs the permit.

 

[mikebontoft]

wow that's quite the process. I just finished my class and I have the permit papers right here. Filling it out now. Ten questions, legal info, fingerprints and ID, instructor's signature and a fee.

Too bad the wait right now is about 6 weeks. I'm not in a hurry though. Not sure if I mentioned it, but UHP went from processing 1000 applications a week to 5,000.

 

[M1911]

M1911,

It must have been difficult to get a concealed carry permit in MA. How did you pull that off?

In MA, concealed carry permits (LTC, in local parlance) are issued at the discretion of your police chief. There are about 350 towns in MA and each chief has his or her own standards. In some towns it is very difficult to get a concealed carry license unless you own a business and can document that you make regular cash deposits (e.g., in Boston). In other towns, the chief won't even let his police officers carry off duty, let alone mere peons like us (Brookline).

But there are quite a few towns that treat it very liberally (in the old sense of the term) -- not quite shall issue, but not too far from it. My town has been one of those towns, though I've heard at least one person getting a restricted LTC recently (restricted means you can own handguns, but you can't carry concealed). Of course, all it takes is for the chief to retire, or the chief to have a change of heart for the policy to change. And, of course, they typically won't disclose their policy.

Not too long ago, a fellow had applied in a town north of Boston. He posted on the Northeast Shooters forum about it. The local PD was dragging their feet (as usual). He complained about it several times, naming the town. The chief found out about his post, decided he wasn't suitable, and denied him. That is an example of evils of discretionary licensing -- when you give a bureaucrat great power many will abuse it.

 

[mijbr90190]

So glad i live in Pa. Go to the courthouse, fill out application, wait for permit.

 

[M1911]

So glad i live in Pa. Go to the courthouse, fill out application, wait for permit.

I have a permit from Centre County. The process there was exactly as it should be, unlike here, behind the wire, in MA.

 

[aha2988]

In NC it's an 8 hour handgun saftey class, Some of those hours firing the weapon. Then you can apply to the sheriffs office for the CHP. Two sets of Full fingerprints 90 dollar non refundable fee, NICS back ground check, then a processing period you wait to recieve your permit. expires every 5 years.

 

[bofa]

In NC it's an 8 hour handgun saftey class, Some of those hours firing the weapon. Then you can apply to the sheriffs office for the CHP. Two sets of Full fingerprints 90 dollar non refundable fee, NICS back ground check, then a processing period you wait to recieve your permit. expires every 5 years.

The process in similar in FL.. but it took nearly 8 months to arrive. Good thing there are plenty of reciprocity states. Hopefully CO is not convoluted... although CBI seems to take forever with fingerprints. My wife's teaching license has been pending for almost 4 months waiting on them.

 

[aha2988]

yeah it took about 6 months for the sheriffs office to process mine. Fortunately NC also allows open carry of handguns without permits so It didn't prevent me from being able to carry, I just couldn't conceal it.

 

[bofa]

I rarely find agreement with Yahoo writers, but this one has some good points.

How Obama could have avoided gun-control failure

 

[JohnnyT]

I rarely find agreement with Yahoo writers, but this one has some good points.

How Obama could have avoided gun-control failure

Sums it up quite nicely I think.

 

[aha2988]

update on NC pro gun bill

North Carolina: Critical Right-to-Carry Reform Bill Advances to House Floor
Contact your state Representative in support of House Bill 937

Today, the House Judiciary Subcommittee A passed House Bill 937 on a voice vote, after first making a number of improvements that made this pro-gun bill even stronger. This legislation seeks to make a number of important pro-gun reforms including, but not limited to:
Allowing Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP) holders to lawfully carry their personal protection firearm into a restaurant that serves alcohol.
Removing the prohibition on CHP holders from carrying into a place where tickets are sold for admission and would fix the problem of anti-gun localities overstepping their authority regarding restricting CHP holders from carrying firearms into locally controlled parks.
Addressing some issues regarding firearms in a vehicle, as well as certain firearm issues on campus grounds.
In addition, this subcommittee added language that would bring North Carolina in compliance with the requirements set forth in the federal NICS Improvement Amendments Act (NIAA) of 2007. This legislation does not expand or create new categories of prohibited persons.

In accordance with federal law, individuals who have been placed under certain types of mental health-related orders – by a court – are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms. The NIAA established clear standards for states to use in crafting laws to give persons subject to these prohibitions a means of relief. H 937, under the guidelines established by the NIAA, would allow a court to grant relief from the federal prohibition upon a finding that the petitioner will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety, and that the granting of the relief would not be contrary to the public interest. Please click here for an NIAA fact sheet.

North Carolina gun owners owe a deep sense of gratitude to state Representatives Jacqueline Schaffer (R-105) and Justin Burr (R-67), who worked closely with the NRA throughout the drafting and amending process for H 937. Special thanks also to their fellow Primary Sponsors, state Representatives George Cleveland (R-14) and John Faircloth (R-61). These state Representatives represented the bill and responsible gun owners exceptionally well during today’s subcommittee hearing.

This legislation now goes to the House floor where it could be taken up any day. We anticipate that anti-gun legislators will do everything they can to defeat H 937, as well as attempt to amend it in a negative fashion. Please contact your state Representative and urge her or him to support H 937 and to oppose any amendments that may weaken the bill or delay its passage.

looks like it's going to the House! with some hope my state may get a little more gun owner freedom!

 

[bofa]

North Carolina: Critical Right-to-Carry Reform Bill Advances to House Floor
Contact your state Representative in support of House Bill 937

Today, the House Judiciary Subcommittee A passed House Bill 937 on a voice vote, after first making a number of improvements that made this pro-gun bill even stronger. This legislation seeks to make a number of important pro-gun reforms including, but not limited to:
Allowing Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP) holders to lawfully carry their personal protection firearm into a restaurant that serves alcohol.
Removing the prohibition on CHP holders from carrying into a place where tickets are sold for admission and would fix the problem of anti-gun localities overstepping their authority regarding restricting CHP holders from carrying firearms into locally controlled parks.
Addressing some issues regarding firearms in a vehicle, as well as certain firearm issues on campus grounds.
In addition, this subcommittee added language that would bring North Carolina in compliance with the requirements set forth in the federal NICS Improvement Amendments Act (NIAA) of 2007. This legislation does not expand or create new categories of prohibited persons.

In accordance with federal law, individuals who have been placed under certain types of mental health-related orders – by a court – are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms. The NIAA established clear standards for states to use in crafting laws to give persons subject to these prohibitions a means of relief. H 937, under the guidelines established by the NIAA, would allow a court to grant relief from the federal prohibition upon a finding that the petitioner will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety, and that the granting of the relief would not be contrary to the public interest. Please click here for an NIAA fact sheet.

North Carolina gun owners owe a deep sense of gratitude to state Representatives Jacqueline Schaffer (R-105) and Justin Burr (R-67), who worked closely with the NRA throughout the drafting and amending process for H 937. Special thanks also to their fellow Primary Sponsors, state Representatives George Cleveland (R-14) and John Faircloth (R-61). These state Representatives represented the bill and responsible gun owners exceptionally well during today’s subcommittee hearing.

This legislation now goes to the House floor where it could be taken up any day. We anticipate that anti-gun legislators will do everything they can to defeat H 937, as well as attempt to amend it in a negative fashion. Please contact your state Representative and urge her or him to support H 937 and to oppose any amendments that may weaken the bill or delay its passage.

looks like it's going to the House! with some hope my state may get a little more gun owner freedom!

It would appear that pro-gun tactics are following that of the anti-gun... hit at the state level first and then attempt to expand or enact federally. I'd like to read up on what the NIAA came up with.... hopefully it's sensible enough to allow some compromise between the groups.

 

[aha2988]

http://www.nraila.org/media/11318612/nics_improvement_amendment_act_fact_sheet.pdf

link to the NIAA improvement amendment act.

 

[LandCruiser]

Gun grabbing has mostly withered away because most of the Democrats realize that they have to get re-elected.

Obama and Bloomberg don't care about re-election. Feinstein comes from such a far left state that being anti 2A won't harm her bid one bit.

I predict further whining and attempts to "shame" America, as well as exploitation of any future tragedies and parading of victims like political pawns, but no real action.

We haven't reached the point of our nation's history when a few idiots can undo the Bill of Rights... yet.