Is this the cause of bad MPG for 5th Gen?

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Could the Aerodynamics of the 4Runner be a big part of the poor mileage? So, I just happened to wash my 4Runner and Chevy Express Van one morning before heading out on a 60 mile trip down the Freeway at 75 MPH with the Wife following in the 4Runner. When I got to the destination We backed in to park side by side and My van was still clean as a whistle and the 4Runner was wiped out with BUGS! We were doing the same speed and side by side or with Her behind Me yet the shape of the Toyota just splattered every bug on the road! Also, the van gets 18 mpg loaded with 800 lbs of tools and is 3/4 ton V-8. 4Runner gets 18 mpg as well. It seems the Runner has the qualities of a flying BRICK!:frusty:
 
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The aerodynamics of a refrigerator on its side, 5 speed transmission, final drive ratio, gearing, and heavy drivetrain and wheels makes for a charming but not fuel efficient transport!
 
I do get bugs like a mofo on my 4runner as well. i was just thinking why do I get so many bugs!! i dont think my other car i drive gets as much. odd!
 
Try driving across the Everglades at night... I feel like my 4runner was designed to eradicate Zika.
 
Only 800# of tools?! You need more tools in your life!
We recently took a high speed trip for 200+ miles and yeah now it’s plastered with winged corpses. I used to drive a 1ton express fully loaded for work, maybe the van just makes a better wedge into the wind, but also catches cross wind like a sail boat as I’m sure you know
 
My 96 F-350 would be plastered with bugs after driving, so many it would be slimy, lol.

I do not find the 4runner too bad really in comparison.

But same with the headlight thing, I think they are the best headlights on any car I have owned, whereas many think they are horrible.
 
...LOL!....just wait until the love-bugs swarm!...:wow:

Hopefully we're done with the damn things for this spring. Unusually bad year in central Florida. I keep one those cheap HF pressure sprayers hooked up for the whole month, and just hit my trucks as soon as I get home. Don't let the sun hit em for a couple hours, you'll be scrubbing for hours and have a truck that looks like a sick Dalmation.
As far as aerodynamics? I think a shipping container might be a little better than my T4R. With an aftermarket bumper and mud terrain knobbys catching all the air underneath, my mileage dropped 2 miles per gallon at least.
 
Could the Aerodynamics of the 4Runner be a big part of the poor mileage? So, I just happened to wash my 4Runner and Chevy Express Van one morning before heading out on a 60 mile trip down the Freeway at 75 MPH with the Wife following in the 4Runner. When I got to the destination We backed in to park side by side and My van was still clean as a whistle and the 4Runner was wiped out with BUGS! We were doing the same speed and side by side or with Her behind Me yet the shape of the Toyota just splattered every bug on the road! Also, the van gets 18 mpg loaded with 800 lbs of tools and is 3/4 ton V-8. 4Runner gets 18 mpg as well. It seems the Runner has the qualities of a flying BRICK!:frusty:


I might be older but I drive my 4runner 50 miles round trip everyday, 80% at highway speed (at the posted speed limit!) and so far two weeks owning it I am averaging over 22 mpg which is just a little better than my FJ.
 
Hopefully we're done with the damn things for this spring. Unusually bad year in central Florida. I keep one those cheap HF pressure sprayers hooked up for the whole month, and just hit my trucks as soon as I get home.

We just got back from British Columbia. Our journey back took us through Iowa where both the 4-Runner and fiberglass trailer we were towing were hammered by bugs. Had to stop every 200 miles or so to clean them off the windshield. I've never seen anything this bad and I was raised off of Chrome Avenue in Miami back in the day when there was nothing out there! The front of the 4-Runner and the tow - a brand new fiberglass trailer were trashed with bugs. I wanted to avoid using anything more abrasive than a micro fiber sponge. What did the trick was this product called "Bugs N All". Spray on. Wait 30 seconds and sponge off. Wow. Something that actually works as advertised. Still haven't figured out what the deal is with Iowa...
 
I might be older but I drive my 4runner 50 miles round trip everyday, 80% at highway speed (at the posted speed limit!) and so far two weeks owning it I am averaging over 22 mpg which is just a little better than my FJ.
I’m averaging 21mpg after 8 months on my stock 2019 OR. Guessing you drive with a light foot like I do. I accelerate slowly if there’s nobody behind me. I think that makes a big difference.
 
I guess it's an airflow thing......The van windshield gets dirty while the front stays clean, while the windshield is spotless and the front is a mess on the 4Runner?!
 
Just for some fun tech to add here -and random stream of consciousness:

5th gen drag coefficient is 0.36. It's just a bit lower than a Tacoma at around 0.39. And much better than a Wrangler JL at .46.

Fuel efficient cars like the Prius or Tesla model 3 are more like 0.25 range.

Also to figure out the actual force required to push through the air you multiply the coefficient "Cd" by the frontal area and then by air density times velocity squared divided by two. So Cd*reference area*[(air density*velocity^2) / 2].

When you start screwing up the air flow with things like roof racks and tents, it gets a lot worse.

Smooth air flow over the surface like this probably keeps the windshield clean because the bugs are heavier than air and so they'll tend to be thrown out of the air flow as it changes direction. The angle of the windshield compared to the hood is basically why the bugs end up on the windshield and not flowing over top. It's very possible that the small bug deflectors really do make a big difference by deflecting air up before the bugs are ejected from the air flow. They probably also cost you about 0.5-1mpg at highway speeds.

GM published a pretty interesting article about this and how things like bug deflectors and fender flares can really hurt your mpg. They also said that a mesh tail gate is the worst possible solution, open tail gate is also worse than closed, and closed is best. Closed with a soft bed cover is actually the best possible truck configuration over a hard cover. And running boards actually help quite a bit if they're designed correctly.

For a 4Runner - I've always been curious about having a front air-dam to see how much it helps. Something remove able or maybe even an electric flip down part of the front skid plate. I think for the lifted 4runners like mine it could help significantly, especially if you made a similar drop down side skirt that became part of the rock slider when it lifted up. If I could net 2-3mpg on the highway, I'd probably do it. OTOH - the better solution to all of these areas is height adjustable suspension. I've tried, failed, but haven't totally given up on that. I can't work out a viable front solution that's doesn't' either involve dropping down to a small shock diameter and using a bag-over coil, or some sort of complex linkage based solution. The rear is easy.

finally, random though #? - for those of us who are older - I love seeing a windshield covered in bugs. It reminds me of how it used to be. Before we killed all the insects. A clean windshield is kind of a scary thought - because it means that there's no insects around. And I'm sure many of us have noticed the significant decline over the last 20 years in insects on our cars. I don't think it's all the result of better air flow. And I'm troubled that it's a sign of how we're killing our ecosystems in ways that we don't really measure very well.
 
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I’m averaging 21mpg after 8 months on my stock 2019 OR. Guessing you drive with a light foot like I do. I accelerate slowly if there’s nobody behind me. I think that makes a big difference.

Attached is a photo of my dash showing my MPG so far. I did reset the MPG at last fill up. I am waiting till the fuel light is on to fill up so I know exactly how much fuel I have left when the fuel light is on. This MPG is driving 80% highway and 20% local road. My 08 FJ with 191k miles on it also got close to the same mileage during the warmer weather.
 

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