I've read too much about suspension. Here are my questions UPDATE: INSTALLED

[2012sr5]

***UPDATE*** 8.2.2017
***UPDATE*** 8.19.2017 See bottom of this first post...

Ok, so I've got a floaty, left-leaning (esp with a full tank), nose-diving SR5. Bought it used two months ago with 72k miles, and I'd bet these are the factory shocks.

After reading and searching so much about suspension, I think I have almost actually settled on what I want to go with. Just want to know some others' specific experiences before I pull the trigger.

Here's my situation: This is my DD. I am a session musician, and I'm usually hauling several guitars, maybe an amp or two (if my client isn't paying cartage), and other gear in the back. I also tow a small utility trailer often. My point is, there is almost always at least 100-150 lbs in the back, or a trailer, or a bunch of camping gear, because this has become the excursion vehicle for my family.

Here's my goal: I want no nose dive, I want it it to stay pretty level when turning (it leans hard now), and I want the floaty, swoopy feeling gone. I'd like it to ride like the truck that it is. And I want to pull a trailer or load up the back for daily work/road trips without the rear sagging. I don't care about lift or leveling it, but I would like to not make the rake worse.

I'm considering OME coils all the way around, and their nitrocharger shocks or Bilsteins. I have no plans of putting on a front or rear bumper at this time; maybe a roof rack in the future.

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QUESTIONS:
1. What would you recommend for coils? I've read so much my brain is mush.
2. If you have installed OME 884 coils in the front, did they lift your truck 2" or 3" after the initial settling period?
3. Has anyone done 885s up front with no aftermarket bumper or winch and not regretted it?
4. If you've installed OME coils at all, did they sag after 18-24 months?
5. What would you recommend for shocks up front and in the rear?
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I'm leaning toward 884 coils in the front, 895 coils in the rear, and using air bags if I need additional stability. I am leaning toward OME nitrocharger shocks or Bilsteins. I would rather replace the whole thing than have to deal with rebuilding them.


Thanks in advance!

=====================8.2.2017=====================
Well, I made up my mind and placed an order today with Wheeler's. I went with:

OME 2883 up front
Eibach T13 in the rear, and
5100s all the way around.

They recommended spacers for the left side to correct the lean, and I went ahead and paid them to assemble the front coilovers for me so I can just put them in when they arrive.

I should settle at 2" of lift up front and 1.5" of lift in the rear, which will even out the rake some. I really don't care about that too much; I just want it to drive like a truck with much less body roll in turns and no nose dive.

Thanks to everyone for the help! I'll report back with pics after it's installed.

=====================8.19.2017=====================
Well, that was fun. I had to buy some tools (mostly larger metric wrenches and impact driver sockets), but I finally got some time to get this installed. My initial impressions are that it does exactly what I want – it makes the truck drive like an actual truck. The body roll is drastically reduced, the driver's side lean is all but eliminated, and the nose dive is no more. But it doesn't feel like a Jeep on the pavement . This is how it should drive from the factory, in my opinion.

If you're thinking about installing yourself, all you need to do is have the tools and watch a youtube video. Make an evening out of it.

Next step, new shoes...

 

[HOJeepster]

Ok, so I've got a floaty, left-leaning (esp with a full tank), nose-diving SR5. Bought it used two months ago with 72k miles, and I'd bet these are the factory shocks.

After reading and searching so much about suspension, I think I have almost actually settled on what I want to go with. Just want to know some others' specific experiences before I pull the trigger.

Here's my situation: This is my DD. I am a session musician, and I'm usually hauling several guitars, maybe an amp or two (if my client isn't paying cartage), and other gear in the back. I also tow a small utility trailer often. My point is, there is almost always at least 100-150 lbs in the back, or a trailer, or a bunch of camping gear, because this has become the excursion vehicle for my family.

Here's my goal: I want no nose dive, I want it it to stay pretty level when turning (it leans hard now), and I want the floaty, swoopy feeling gone. I'd like it to ride like the truck that it is. And I want to pull a trailer or load up the back for daily work/road trips without the rear sagging. I don't care about lift or leveling it, but I would like to not make the rake worse.

I'm considering OME coils all the way around, and their nitrocharger shocks or Bilsteins. I have no plans of putting on a front or rear bumper at this time; maybe a roof rack in the future.

==========
QUESTIONS:
1. What would you recommend for coils? I've read so much my brain is mush.
2. If you have installed OME 884 coils in the front, did they lift your truck 2" or 3" after the initial settling period?
3. Has anyone done 885s up front with no aftermarket bumper or winch and not regretted it?
4. If you've installed OME coils at all, did they sag after 18-24 months?
5. What would you recommend for shocks up front and in the rear?
==========

I'm leaning toward 884 coils in the front, 895 coils in the rear, and using air bags if I need additional stability. I am leaning toward OME nitrocharger shocks or Bilsteins. I would rather replace the whole thing than have to deal with rebuilding them.


Thanks in advance!

I think you've done your homework and answered your own question. I'd go 884 F and 895R with nitrocharger shocks F/R. The OME will stiffen up your ride and get rid of the floaty feeling. It's also an affordable solution without going overboard.eace:

 

[2012sr5]

I think you've done your homework and answered your own question. I'd go 884 F and 895R with nitrocharger shocks F/R. The OME will stiffen up your ride and get rid of the floaty feeling. It's also an affordable solution without going overboard.eace:

Thanks for the input! Yeah, I think that's what I'll do. If the 884s give a 3" lift, then I'll need to do UCAs as well.

I'd love to go OME shocks, but they seem to be backordered most places...

 

[HOJeepster]

Thanks for the input! Yeah, I think that's what I'll do. If the 884s give a 3" lift, then I'll need to do UCAs as well.

I'd love to go OME shocks, but they seem to be backordered most places...

Try Wheelers Offroad? They usually carry OME, or Slee Offroad

 

[hayde89]

Wheelers

I actually had to cancel an order on a trim pack for the exact same lift from Wheelers. They are out of stock but it seems like everyone is.

 

[IceCold81]

I'm in a similiar boat.

Working on my final planning as we speak.

My choices in question at the moment are:

6112 up front
(Was thinking 5160's in the rear, but now I'm trying to figure out if Icon 2.0's would make sense)
OME895E or SAW coil in the rear
Air Bag mod in the rear for future towing needs on the fly.

Still trying to come up with a spacer that would make sense for the body lean.


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[sn_85]

If this is a DD and you do not plan on off-roading I would not get the OME. I have an OME setup with the 883/895E and the ride is quite harsh on-road. I bought mine more or less for off-road durability and reliability but it's pretty rough on the street. If I were you, I'd go with Bilstein 5100's all around, 883 or 884 up front, and Wheelers T13 or SAW coils in the rear. Reason being that the 895 rear coils are rated at 260lb compared to 215-220lb on T13 or SAW.

 

[gundrted+t4r]

I would also not suggest getting any OME stuff if you are running empty most of the time. It will be way to harsh. Even the goto shop (Slee Off-road) steers people away from OME unless they are fully loaded all the time.

I gave myself a headache looking at all the options and came to this .... I don't want rebuildable shocks. I don't want something crazy custom. I don't want 3in of lift. I don't want a harsh ride. I really don't care what the brand is.

What I want is something reliable, easily replaceable, comfortable riding and something that keeps most of the stock parts on my 4Runner.

I was going to get 6112/5126, but I'm not so sure any more. I really only want about 2inches of lift, keep the rake and use OEM UCAs.

At this point I'm looking really hard at Dobinsons. I had a great conversation with Mike (out of FL) and the product line looks solid. I also found a lot of comments from Ausies that have used them in the past. In Australia they seem to be a direct competitor to OME.

They have twin tube shocks/springs that are softer than OME and are at a similar price point to OME. They will even ship the front coil overs full assembled for only about $100 more.

They also have a tread on here.

 

[Simpleman74]

DOBINSONS

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[2012sr5]

If this is a DD and you do not plan on off-roading I would not get the OME. I have an OME setup with the 883/895E and the ride is quite harsh on-road. I bought mine more or less for off-road durability and reliability but it's pretty rough on the street. If I were you, I'd go with Bilstein 5100's all around, 883 or 884 up front, and Wheelers T13 or SAW coils in the rear. Reason being that the 895 rear coils are rated at 260lb compared to 215-220lb on T13 or SAW.

It is a DD. 90% of my driving is on the road with minimum 100lbs in the cargo area, usually a bit more...that's why I was leaning toward the 895. My truck is almost never empty.

So are you saying you think the rear part of your setup is what contributes to the harshness? The 884s would be good up front, but something lighter in the rear is what you're saying? I'll look into those shocks you recommended. Thanks!

Did the 884 lift your front end 2" or 3"? I've seen it listed both ways...

I would also not suggest getting any OME stuff if you are running empty most of the time. It will be way to harsh. Even the goto shop (Slee Off-road) steers people away from OME unless they are fully loaded all the time.

I gave myself a headache looking at all the options and came to this .... I don't want rebuildable shocks. I don't want something crazy custom. I don't want 3in of lift. I don't want a harsh ride. I really don't care what the brand is.

What I want is something reliable, easily replaceable, comfortable riding and something that keeps most of the stock parts on my 4Runner.

I was going to get 6112/5126, but I'm not so sure any more. I really only want about 2inches of lift, keep the rake and use OEM UCAs.

At this point I'm looking really hard at Dobinsons. I had a great conversation with Mike (out of FL) and the product line looks solid. I also found a lot of comments from Ausies that have used them in the past. In Australia they seem to be a direct competitor to OME.

They have twin tube shocks/springs that are softer than OME and are at a similar price point to OME. They will even ship the front coil overs full assembled for only about $100 more.

They also have a tread on here.

Yeah, I'm not quite fully loaded, but I am carrying SOMEthing all the time...usually 4 guitars, an amp, a pedalboard, and a toolbox in the back...I figured it's similar to having a 100lb aftermarket rear bumper.

I'll look into Dobinsons. Thanks!

 

[2012sr5]

I've fallen in love with the (idea of) 4Runner, and have been researching the vehicle so much the past few weeks it has actually caused a few arguments between the wife and I.op2:

This thread scares me because I'm trying to justify the vehicle as a daily driver. Significant body roll, nose dive, etc. doesn't sound very pleasant. Can I ask you guys (and I apologize if I am hijacking this thread [MENTION=165476]2012sr5[/MENTION]) which 2017 trim line has the best on-road performance as a daily driver?

I was looking at the TRD Off Road Premium but its hard to find with KDSS in the color that I want...

Maybe I just need to sack up and admit that maybe the 4Runner is not an appropriate car for me. I live in an area where the only legal real off roading I could do is on beaches (Long Island, NY).

Yeah, I can see how this thread would make a prospective buyer nervous. If you got one with KDSS, it'll handle MUCH better on the road. I bought my SR5 used with 72k miles, and I'll bet these are the original shocks, so it might float, roll, and dive worse than new. But I'll also bet that it is still pretty bad with fresh shocks and stock coils.

The rugged reliability trumped all of my concerns when shopping, which were similar to yours. Good luck with what you decide.

 

[clo_iam]

It is a DD. 90% of my driving is on the road with minimum 100lbs in the cargo area, usually a bit more...that's why I was leaning toward the 895. My truck is almost never empty.

So are you saying you think the rear part of your setup is what contributes to the harshness? The 884s would be good up front, but something lighter in the rear is what you're saying? I'll look into those shocks you recommended. Thanks!

Did the 884 lift your front end 2" or 3"? I've seen it listed both ways...

Yeah, I'm not quite fully loaded, but I am carrying SOMEthing all the time...usually 4 guitars, an amp, a pedalboard, and a toolbox in the back...I figured it's similar to having a 100lb aftermarket rear bumper.

I'll look into Dobinsons. Thanks!

100lbs doesn't sound like too much weight. I think you should be ok with some cheaper suspension that will help stiffen the ride and a 1.75" lift should do it with the weight you're lugging around. Less lift will also help you steer away from possible body rolling.

I've fallen in love with the (idea of) 4Runner, and have been researching the vehicle so much the past few weeks it has actually caused a few arguments between the wife and I.op2:

This thread scares me because I'm trying to justify the vehicle as a daily driver. Significant body roll, nose dive, etc. doesn't sound very pleasant. Can I ask you guys (and I apologize if I am hijacking this thread [MENTION=165476]2012sr5[/MENTION]) which 2017 trim line has the best on-road performance as a daily driver?

I was looking at the TRD Off Road Premium but its hard to find with KDSS in the color that I want...

Maybe I just need to sack up and admit that maybe the 4Runner is not an appropriate car for me. I live in an area where the only legal real off roading I could do is on beaches (Long Island, NY).

Go test drive it and see for yourself how "bad" the nose diving and body rolling feels. IMO it's not bad at all and didn't notice it until AFTER I added a two inch lift to my sr5.

 

[sn_85]

It is a DD. 90% of my driving is on the road with minimum 100lbs in the cargo area, usually a bit more...that's why I was leaning toward the 895. My truck is almost never empty.

So are you saying you think the rear part of your setup is what contributes to the harshness? The 884s would be good up front, but something lighter in the rear is what you're saying? I'll look into those shocks you recommended. Thanks!

Did the 884 lift your front end 2" or 3"? I've seen it listed both ways...

100 lbs is nothing. The stock rear coils can easily handle 100 lbs without much effect. So if all you're carrying is 100-150lbs then go with something lighter than the 895's which are 44% stiffer than stock coils. Rear coils like Wheelers T13, Toytec Superflex, SAWs or Icon's are around 20% stiffer and would give you a much better on road ride and handle the extra weight in the back. OME shocks are also valved to be much stiffer than Bilstein's as well. Like I said, the only reason I went with OME is because they are bullet proof off-road and require very minimal maintenance. If it wasn't for that I'd have gone in a different direction.

I don't have the 884's. I have the 883's which gave about a 2" front lift. If you go 884 you might have to get UCA's. Each setup will be different.

 

[2012sr5]

100 lbs is nothing. The stock rear coils can easily handle 100 lbs without much effect. So if all you're carrying is 100-150lbs then go with something lighter than the 895's which are 44% stiffer than stock coils. Rear coils like Wheelers T13, Toytec Superflex, SAWs or Icon's are around 20% stiffer and would give you a much better on road ride and handle the extra weight in the back. OME shocks are also valved to be much stiffer than Bilstein's as well. Like I said, the only reason I went with OME is because they are bullet proof off-road and require very minimal maintenance. If it wasn't for that I'd have gone in a different direction.

I don't have the 884's. I have the 883's which gave about a 2" front lift. If you go 884 you might have to get UCA's. Each setup will be different.

Ahhh...my bad. It was late, and I read your post incorrectly.

 

[gundrted+t4r]

I've fallen in love with the (idea of) 4Runner, and have been researching the vehicle so much the past few weeks it has actually caused a few arguments between the wife and I.op2:

This thread scares me because I'm trying to justify the vehicle as a daily driver. Significant body roll, nose dive, etc. doesn't sound very pleasant. Can I ask you guys (and I apologize if I am hijacking this thread [MENTION=165476]2012sr5[/MENTION]) which 2017 trim line has the best on-road performance as a daily driver?

I was looking at the TRD Off Road Premium but its hard to find with KDSS in the color that I want...

Maybe I just need to sack up and admit that maybe the 4Runner is not an appropriate car for me. I live in an area where the only legal real off roading I could do is on beaches (Long Island, NY).

Try calling an AutoBroker. I got exactly what I wanted on my '17 TRDORP with KDSS (in Denver). A good broker will find you the car you want and give you an honest price.

 

[sinks88]

I don't know if this helps....but I have 885's in front with Bilstiens 5100 (lowest setting) and Icon 2" in rears again with Bilstiens 5100s in back....

and I roll and lean everywhere I go

I have a slimline front bumper from C4 and a winch....otherwise pretty empty.

 

[Lawrence_Liang]

Just brought 5100, T1, T3 from wheeler, look for Kelly, he will hook you up with deals.


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[2012sr5]

Update posted at the top of this thread!

 

[2012sr5]

Installed. That wasn't nearly as difficult as I thought it would be. :reddance: