Just removed Hydrocarbon filter
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CJ3Flyr
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This one has some more discussion including MPG stuff... http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40340
Outside of the environmental argument......um, why haven't we discussed the fact that fuel vapors are highly flamable? I don't know if I would want a buildup of fuel vapors trapped under my hood with a super hot engine sitting in the sun trying to cool down. Nor would I want those vapors in there when I went to start it later. Just like starting a boat with an in-board engine - you have to vent the area first, otherwise you could go boom-boom-bye-bye. I like the idea of increased power and increased mpg's. And i'm not sold on the environmental stuff associated with the purpose of this filter. But, I am sold on the desire to make sure no fuel vapors exist under my hood while the car sits in hot, still and stale air. Does anyone know if other country versions of the 4runner have these filters too? That would pretty much address the theory of US required emissions standards. If they too have the filter, then I'd have think there is another reason, outside of the environmental one, to have that filter there....like flamable vapor buildup?
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Ducman
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Doubt it
I disagree. These filters are only commonplace in newer vehicles. Newer 2005+ Mustangs have them too. These are advanced electronic fuel injection engines, a buildup of fuel vapors in the engine bay is something that is much more common place in older carb cars or early fuel injection vehicles. Lift the hood on a a 70s or 80s car and you may smell some fuel, not in cars these days though. It's a nit picky emissions thing. Pull it and never look back.
I disagree. These filters are only commonplace in newer vehicles. Newer 2005+ Mustangs have them too. These are advanced electronic fuel injection engines, a buildup of fuel vapors in the engine bay is something that is much more common place in older carb cars or early fuel injection vehicles. Lift the hood on a a 70s or 80s car and you may smell some fuel, not in cars these days though. It's a nit picky emissions thing. Pull it and never look back.
eskimochaos
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I said it before, my moms Land Cruiser with the same V8 doenst have one. Some silly hippy law was passed to put a :zoom: on their faces.
ric
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X2 I agree
crushr
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Please post whatever evidence you have of a "silly hippy law" being responsible for the existence of the charcoal intake filter on the 4runner. I could care less if your mom's truck has one or not.
The charcoal filter was likely mandated as part of the 4runner's comprehensive emissions control package required to comply with federal emissions regs.
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eskimochaos
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Im not going to waste my time trying to find the law.
FYI car emissions are only 1% of total pollution in the atmosphere. The stupid media/liberals shove all this garbage up your rear and most believe it.
eskimochaos
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It was easy, had the airfilter replaced at the dealer and they didnt even notice.
To get the most "improvement" unplug your battery for like 15mins. This will clear the ECU memory. Might take a tank or two but youll notice soon enough.
crushr
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Please provide evidence to back up your claim that auto pollution makes up "only 1% of total pollution in the atmosphere." You continue to throw out absurd statements and statistics with a complete lack of knowledge and understanding.
Obviously you are too young/foolish/uninformed to recall or know of the smog-choked metropolitan areas prior to the inception of stringent automotive emission controls in the 1970's.
BTW, I really don't care whether you remove the charcoal filters or not, but you should at least be aware that removing pollution control devices from any pollution controlled vehicle is a violation of federal motor vehicle law.
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Hayn4R
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Are you serious? Thats pretty ignorant of you? So you think our planet will always be here in perfect state not diminish over time? Stop smoking those rocks, please so our kids and grandkids have a healthy Earth to live in.
That has to be one of the most short-sighted comment Ive heard on this forum. Congrats!!
Anyone needing some visual evidence of the contributions to pollution from the automobile, need not but to visit LA/Orange County on a calm day, face east, and tell me if you can see the mountains. Or, take a trip to Europe and look at the multi-billion dollar investment going on to restore all of the historical structures. Nearly all of the old churches and historic landmarks are covered in a layer of black film. I was there in the fall of 2007, and was stunned to learn that this black layer of film was caused by one thing, and one thing only...pollution from the cars. I've attached two photos as evidence. This damage was done mostly during the 70's and early to mid-80's, before governments started putting the hammer down on emission standards. Take a look for yourself.. You can see the difference between what it should look like "light beige", and what it looks like now "black".
My 4runner has more than enough power as-is to keep me happy. I think I'll leave my filter in.
My 4runner has more than enough power as-is to keep me happy. I think I'll leave my filter in.
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ShipOfFools
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha wow. You must still be in high school.
Climate change isn't as drastic as everyone says, but think about it buddy. Sit in a garage with your car running for a few hours. What happens? You die. We are essentially in a HUGE garage with hundreds of millions of cars running day and night. You do the math. Also, have some social responsibility. All of us should enjoy our 4Runners while we can, but one day there will be a pressing need for vehicles that pollute far less. No wonder your quote is from Bill O'Reilly, the king of "I don't give a shit about anyone but myself."
ShipofFools, I see you've got a LS400... Are you on the Lexus forum too? If not, come on over amigo!
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offshorebear
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Wow, a lot of bickering going on in this thread all of a sudden.
First unburnt hydrocarbon's can't cause global warming. That shouldn't be an issue in this thread.
You could make a point that the unburnt fuel this filter might catch contains some bad things, such as MTBE's, lead, or some other ugly refined chemical. Unfortunately this is just a small carbon filter. I would be willing to bet that it was placed just to reduce fuel odors. Even if it just did that it will become saturated and ineffective after long. Maybe CARB requires it for some dumb reason.
And some off topic things, automobiles are only a minority when it comes to burning fossil fuels. Energy generation burns much a lot more carbon.
And those buildings are covered in coal soot, probably from electrical generation. That's a bad problem that has mostly been resolved, but it has nothing to do with automobiles.
First unburnt hydrocarbon's can't cause global warming. That shouldn't be an issue in this thread.
You could make a point that the unburnt fuel this filter might catch contains some bad things, such as MTBE's, lead, or some other ugly refined chemical. Unfortunately this is just a small carbon filter. I would be willing to bet that it was placed just to reduce fuel odors. Even if it just did that it will become saturated and ineffective after long. Maybe CARB requires it for some dumb reason.
And some off topic things, automobiles are only a minority when it comes to burning fossil fuels. Energy generation burns much a lot more carbon.
And those buildings are covered in coal soot, probably from electrical generation. That's a bad problem that has mostly been resolved, but it has nothing to do with automobiles.
Larry77
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This thread has helped me to lose a lot of respect for a few of the members on this site...too bad we have so many uneducated idiots on here that think most of the scientist's on the planet know nothing and that Oreilly is the only wise one around...give me a friggin break!!!!
