BLACK-FL4RUNNER
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Here is what I said in my original statement: "The KDSS is a front and rear hydraulic disconnect system, that has been around for a long time with little to no failures."
Maybe reading comprehension isn't your thing.
KDSS Long term reliability?
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Here is what I said in my original statement: "The KDSS is a front and rear hydraulic disconnect system, that has been around for a long time with little to no failures."
Maybe reading comprehension isn't your thing.
Why would you poke the bear?
Now hes gonna post a 40 paragraph thread reminding everyone how smart he is compared to the rest of us!
Edit: ^thinks he
Edit 2: I bet he is a pretty good hydraulic engineer. But I like to poke the bear too
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Thai
Elite Member
Well, why don't you just edit your sentence instead of writing: "Edit: ^thinks he"?
Dude, whatever your background is, today has NOT been your day to shine intellectually. That much is pretty damn clear.:nono: Maybe tomorrow will be a brighter day?
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Greenamphibious
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and to which I said "Does it Disco" I went further to ask if it actually DISCONNECTS the sway.... my thinking is NO
Blitzkrieg
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I've got no dog in this dick stroking ego fest taking place but I am fairly well versed in agriculture and heavy equipment from an educated layman's perspective and I do know that most of today's agriculture and mining equipment have some of the most sophisticated hydraulics on the planet (and have to be very dependable at the same time).
Source: Many hours in 110 F heat in a combine and my son is a heavy equipment mechanic for mining equipment whose tires are bigger than a 4Runner and I love hearing about repairing those bad boys.
;-)
As you were. LOL
Source: Many hours in 110 F heat in a combine and my son is a heavy equipment mechanic for mining equipment whose tires are bigger than a 4Runner and I love hearing about repairing those bad boys.
;-)
As you were. LOL
STX4Runner
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Are you joking? I hope you are. Those ramps are like 4 inches tall. A minivan could drive up on that and not lift a wheel.
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Greenamphibious
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cool story bro
BLACK-FL4RUNNER
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Here is a response I got from you before, so here is my answer to your inquiry about how KDSS works.....
Thanks :wave:
Greenamphibious
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.... SEe you think I am really asking you to explain when in fact I am seeing if you know what the Fuq you are talking about.... obviously you dont
BLACK-FL4RUNNER
Member
I guarantee not one of you can build me a rear swing out tire carrier made of aluminum that weighs 50lbs or less, powder coated in flat black capable of carrying THREE Rotopax, not two all for $200 within a months time. Lets see how smart you guys are. PayPal is also part of the challenge.
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Greenamphibious
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All ya gotta do is show up
Hellamatic
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Man, no wonder the economy is in the shitter when there's a couple productive work days worth of manhours between everyone who participates in threads like this, lol. Maybe this was a discussion for yesterday - everyone would've been a little more laid back. Alright, alright, alright....
Jetboy
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Your question is why does KDSS use accumulators? First: It is my understanding of the diagrams that the valves are inline between the accumulators and pistons, so KDSS doesn't engage them above 12mph, so any speed above that they are closed off by the valving. Closing by valving fixes the position of the piston - meaning THEY DO NOT CYCLE during 99% of highway driving. This is likely for longer service life. If they aren't moving, they aren't wearing as much.
Below that speed it takes a bit of the edge off by dampening the system. This probably means longer service life due to reduced instantaneous loads, and probably the ability to use somewhat smaller and lighter hardware. However these explanations are called into question by the non-use of accumulators at higher speeds where the highest forces will be experienced. It may also have something to do with imperfect manufacturing tolerances and absorbing fluid volume variances. It is also possible that there is a dissimilar piston stroke/bore and they are necessary to accommodate this.
Accumulators likely do nothing measurable for shock absorbing in the suspension. In fact I'd bet the moment of inertia of the sway bar about the bushings has a greater effect than the accumulator allowed movement of the KDSS piston. You could probably just bleed the system poorly and have the same effect - but that's not easily repeatable. In either event both are going to be negligible noise in comparison to the actual dampening provided by the aptly named "shock absorbers".
I'd be happy to do the calculations when I have some time. But we're going to have to agree on the bushing friction - as that's a limiting factor on any dampening force actually transferring from the piston to the a-arm. I really don't know what that measurement is. It should ideally be zero, but it's some non-zero value and is going to be somewhat inconsistent between vehicles. Any proposals?
If you question is why they made the bar mount mobile rather than use a BMW/LR style twist inducing mechanism, it's probably sixes. Neither is inherently better. Some just physically fit into an existing platform better. Otherwise I don't think there is a compelling case for one or the other. It's clear why there are advantages over a disconnect like Jeep uses. The Jeep version is simply cheap. If there's ever a question about why Chrysler does something - the answer is always because it's cheap.
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Thai
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No, i never asked that question...thanks for answering a question that was not asked.
But, going back, you say that Jeep is cheap...so, Toyota uses quality stuff, right? Yet, you question Toyota engineers for being overly complicated and lacking knowledge of snowplow engineers like you.
Danimal
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Damn. I couldn't even keep track of who was yelling at who in this POS thread. And two dudes are apparently going to fight on a trail in Florida.
If any of y'all engineers worked for me and spent this much time *****ing at each other on the internet about stupid stuff during work hours, you'd potentially be unemployed engineers.
Dan
If any of y'all engineers worked for me and spent this much time *****ing at each other on the internet about stupid stuff during work hours, you'd potentially be unemployed engineers.
Dan
Jetboy
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No, i never asked that question...thanks for answering a question that was not asked.
But, going back, you say that Jeep is cheap...so, Toyota uses quality stuff, right? Yet, you question Toyota engineers for being overly complicated and lacking knowledge of snowplow engineers like you.
Is English your first language?
