King remote reservoir coil over adjustment?

wfo9

wfo9

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Just picked up some King long travel (not extended) coil overs that I will be installing soon.

A little surprise in the box was some instructions stating you can't adjust the coil overs that have remote reservoir once installed on the truck... They recommend removing from the truck and putting in a vice.. Is this really true?... Could be a PITA.... Maybe I'm just spoiled by other brands being so easy to do this on.... Not the end of the world... but not ideal.... Also surprised this is the first I've heard of it.
 
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I tell you I have adjusted my FOX dsc on the truck, while it's in the air, no weight on, and it's a PITA. The first ~1" of adjustment isn't terrible. I can only move one hole at a time ie about a ~12th rotation per move. I also have the "official" adjustment spanner and it is worthless (add another foot to the end and it would work, it is just too short), I ended up getting a long drift punch, grinding the end down, and around for a nice snug fit, that still took forever, especially near the end.

When I pull them off for rebuild I want to get a taller and heavier spring to lessen the preload. Had I thought to do that earlier, I would have done that right off the bat.
 
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you probably could a bit...
but the holes on the collar and the position of the reservoir fitting allow for very little movement when on the vehicle. On the vice you can get around the collar and move it from 180 or more degrees. On the truck it's about 45-60 degrees of movement, and the fitting and the coil bucket really limit the amout of movement. If you move one pin hole all the way in once direction, chances are there won't be a second hole that you can fit a punch in to. And a coilover spanner would be useless while on the truck.
 
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nb rob said:
you probably could a bit...
but the holes on the collar and the position of the reservoir fitting allow for very little movement when on the vehicle. On the vice you can get around the collar and move it from 180 or more degrees. On the truck it's about 45-60 degrees of movement, and the fitting and the coil bucket really limit the amout of movement. If you move one pin hole all the way in once direction, chances are there won't be a second hole that you can fit a punch in to. And a coilover spanner would be useless while on the truck.
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Pretty much what he said. King uses a clamp on style collar. You run the risk of jumping threads if you loosen the clamp screw too much.
 
yea don't do it. super annoying the few times you need to adjust them. plan a day to get them set up unless you get super lucky the first time. are they 8" stroke shocks?
 
honda250xtitan said:
yea don't do it. super annoying the few times you need to adjust them. plan a day to get them set up unless you get super lucky the first time. are they 8" stroke shocks?
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Yes, close to 8" stroke. 7.715 or something like that.

TC uppers and lowers + 2....

Don't think the lack of on vehicle adjustment has to do with the collar style. The instructions clearly state it is fine to do with the non remote style. It's strictly the lack of acccess. On the ICONs they position the collar with enough holes and in such a way to where it is very easy and impossible to screw it up. I know the fox ones can be problematic also, but hoped the kings were not this big of a pain. Oh well. Can't have it all.
 
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wfo9 said:
Yes, close to 8" stroke. 7.715 or something like that.

TC uppers and lowers + 2....

Don't think the lack of on vehicle adjustment has to do with the collar style. The instructions clearly state it is fine to do with the non remote style. It's strictly the lack of acccess. On the ICONs they position the collar with enough holes and in such a way to where it is very easy and impossible to screw it up. I know the fox ones can be problematic also, but hoped the kings were not this big of a pain. Oh well. Can't have it all.
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Thats sweet:guitar2::guitar2:

well is it the clamp style collar? id stay away from trying to do it with it on the vehicle, (other then lack of access, i agree with that)

If you do try it and it is the collar style, i was told (after i cross threaded the collar on my fox's ones) you just gotta barely crack the allen head bolt that keeps the collar clamped to the body.
 
honda250xtitan said:
Thats sweet:guitar2::guitar2:

well is it the clamp style collar? id stay away from trying to do it with it on the vehicle, (other then lack of access, i agree with that)

If you do try it and it is the collar style, i was told (after i cross threaded the collar on my fox's ones) you just gotta barely crack the allen head bolt that keeps the collar clamped to the body.
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The instructions say to loosen the pinch bolt (one turn only)...

Then just turn like any other coil over... they don't even talk about using a spring compressor to remove tension. So, it's strictly a space constraint issue according to their instructions....

They claim 5 turns = 1 inch lift... but I'm not sure if that considers the motion ratio or not. And if so, does it consider the LT motion ratio.

It's not a pinch bolt on the ICON collar. It's just a set screw. Seems much easier to deal with...

I don't get why they would not all be adjustable on the truck... I always thought that was the advantage of a coil over. If I have to pull and mess with a spring compressor... Might as well just have a pack of spacers.... Just a tad frustrating when you spend this kind of money on top notch product... but I get it...
 
I've adjusted my kings on the truck, it's really tight basically I use 2 big punches bc the wrench wont always line up due to remote reservoir hose being in the way. I also use a lube on the threads to clean em prior to adjusting. Also, your tires have to be off the ground so there isn't any load on em. Kings directons say its not recommended so ymmv.
 
wfo9 said:
The instructions say to loosen the pinch bolt (one turn only)...

Then just turn like any other coil over... they don't even talk about using a spring compressor to remove tension. So, it's strictly a space constraint issue according to their instructions....

They claim 5 turns = 1 inch lift... but I'm not sure if that considers the motion ratio or not. And if so, does it consider the LT motion ratio.

It's not a pinch bolt on the ICON collar. It's just a set screw. Seems much easier to deal with...

I don't get why they would not all be adjustable on the truck... I always thought that was the advantage of a coil over. If I have to pull and mess with a spring compressor... Might as well just have a pack of spacers.... Just a tad frustrating when you spend this kind of money on top notch product... but I get it...
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i totally agree with you on the frustration. I can't say where they are getting the lift numbers from, as you said, who knows what ratio they are going off of lol. could be 2:1, 1.9:1 or could be a stock titan ratio 1.6:1 (awesome geometry nissan, thanks!) lol.

no harm in trying really. obviously you're not a tard who will keep cranking on them if the collar jumps the threads.
 
The adjustment is doable on the truck, you just have to use a little backyard engineering. I lift the vehicle to extend the shock, and run two ratchet straps through the upper portion of the coil spring and compress down as much as I can to get some pre-load off the adjustment collar. back off allen head (just a bit) from ring and turn it.

I can tell you that in my case, the most difficult part is getting the pin in the holes with the remote reservoir line in the way. Good luck.

btw, I was told by Sonny at DownSouth Motorsports that the reason they don't recommend adjusting on the vehicle is due to the risk of spinning the shock body off the top cap. don't know how true that is but I know he is a very capable shock builder. luckily I haven't had mine move at all and I've adjusted mine a dozen times over the last 6 years of owning them.
 
I've adjusted mine on the truck as well.

Jack up the front and let the tire hang. Loosen the pinch bolt, then make the turns with the supplied punch. You will get to a point where you can't fit the punch in because of the reservoir hose.
What I did was position the punch so that it is facing the side of one of the holes on the collar. Then tap the punch with a mallet to turn the collar just enough to get to the next hole that was hidden behind the reservoir hose.

Now, this method will mar a couple of the collar holes, but I can live with that.
Obviously, removing them to adjust is ideal, but this worked for me and I didn't have time at the time to remove them to make minor adjustments for my lean.
 
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Ok. I see the issue now. The hole spacing on the Kings is very wide at one point. Near 4" apart at the pinch. That would be problematic for sure trying to do it on the truck with the hose in the way. The ICONs and the others I have seen have much closer spacing.

Wish they used a solid collar...sure would make things easier to adjust.
 
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