Lake Tahoe 94' 4Runner new member

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Hello everyone, decided to join here at T4R after checking out the forums for some time now.

In my mid-30's and live in the Lake Tahoe area where there are tons of places to play.
Recently purchased a 1994 4Runner, 171k, 5-speed manual for $3600. I am the 3rd owner where the 2nd owner only owned for 8 months and was forced to sell after getting his 2nd DUI and already had 4 other cars and wanted to liquidate since he had an automatic 2 year suspension of his license. I looked into his story and a friend's mother who works in the Reno sheriff's department got the info and everything panned out.
From 1994 to 2011 it was owned by the original owner in Bishop, CA a beautiful mountain desert environment comparable to Arizona without the extreme heat.
This first owner was the uncle of the PO(2nd owner) and was one of those "I really want to buy that super clean 4Runner Uncle when you decide to sell it" types of deals.

By the looks of the undercarriage it has never been off-roaded beyond the standard southern sierra dirt road at most. The nephew(2nd owner) got it for $3000 and mainly used it to go to North Tahoe ski resorts as he was a ASE Ford mechanic and had a side business of restoring 60's and 80's mustangs and selling them, due to all the dry rust-free car parts available in the region.
From the time he had bought it he only put on about 4300 miles in just over 11 months.

I will now list pictures in order of the Modifications from start to present

This was about 2 weeks ago just after I bought the D*I*C*K Cepek Crushers. After 1 trip on some trails I decided to remove the running boards
The running boards are available for sale, PM me with an offer, I am shipping from 96150
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I did a lot of research into the tires I wanted to get, and especially size with the amount of lift I was willing to work with.
Tirerack.com has a warehouse facility close to me about an hour away in MacCarran, Nevada just about 8 miles east of Reno on Interstate 80.
I went with the **** Cepek CRUSHER model in 33"x12.5"x15". Absolutely every review I found online was stellar, I did do a side by side comparison between the Crusher, the **** Cepek Fun Country 2(FC-2) and the standard BF Goodrich so many go with.
When the worker brought over the pallet with all 3 side by side it was a no brainer. The insane amount of width the Crushers have over the other 2 was impressive. Although all were 12.5 the design of road contact amount was different. I can only imagine how much tire contact I will get when I air-down< WOW.

With the DC Crushers
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So today, September 8, 2012, after work at 2 pm I got the idea to go through with an earlier idea of painting my wheels as the original rims were losing their clear coat and had begun flaking probably about 2 years before I bought it. Over the last few weeks I have been hitting up the car wash after I had taken some sand paper to the rims to get them clean and smooth for a possible paint job.
So after work today I picked up some rust-oleum semi-gloss black, roll of duct tape and some old newspapers. Remember folks that especially new tires are quite slick on the outer-walls so duct tape is about the only thing that sticks, and even the Duct tape had to be massaged into place to stay in place. After I taped out the outer rim I taped newspaper to the duct tape and after I had 20" or more around the tire covered I put down about 4 coats with 10 minutes of drying in-between.

What do ya think?

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Here is a Pic wheelin' on the Rubicon Trail after I got the new Tires and before the running board removal and wheel paint job

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And here is a pic of doing the Strawberry trail yesterday Friday, Spet 7th, between Kyburz and Kirkwood next to the famous "Squeeze rock" painted rock.
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In the next week or 2 I will be ordering the HD OME spring/coil set. With the HD coil that comes from the Landcruiser late 90's models I think.

Now with 2nd Gen famous rear sag. When a suspension lift is mentioned and says it provides 2-3.5" of lift, does that describe that amount of lift from it's factory lift?

If a suspension lift says 2.5/3" of lift, and I have a 3 inch sag, does that mean I should expect about 5" of lift? 2.5/3" of lift over factory or current height??

Please help me with this one, I think it means what the expected amount of lift to get on top of what the original factory height was, but I want to make sure.

After I do the rear I will then move onto the front and ask you guys what the best course of action is in lifting the front, but only until I see what I get out of the rear suspension lift then to know how much I need to closely level out the truck.
When I do the rear suspension I am looking into doing a rear brake job with maybe some upgrades that may be advised by you fine folks, maybe paint my rear brakes, who knows.

After the front and rear I am looking into getting a powder coated bumper with built-in tire swing and towing connection. thise allows for the spare tire to be removed from the rear bottom, and allows for the towing package and bumper to become one.
I want some feedback on what you guys think of bolt-on vs welding vs bolt-on and welded.

After those mods I will then venture into maybe getting rock sliders, but mainly want to get into the engine and doing a rebuild or having it gone over to avoid any future problems.

Any thoughts about which axel to add a locker onto first? Is the front axel as easy as adding manual hubs to the front or is it more complicated than that? Is it easy to throw on a 3rd gen rear diff onto a 2nd gen?

Any info on any of my questions would be awesome
 
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Welcome.

I know there are a bunch of people that are always willing to run trails up in Tahoe. I know I will try and get up there as much as possible next summer to hit them up (This winter will be boarding mostly).

As for your questions I have no answer.
 
Lift choices, FJ-Cruiser Coils w/ 4" LSPV lift, bolts spaced @ 3.5" and LSPV re-adjusted, 1-1/4" 4Crawler ball-joint spacers, 1" 4Crawler BodyLift kit, 33 BFG TA/KO's. (Pardon the crappy cellphone shot. *Recently put 31's back on to make it more dd friendly and to drop the rpm's, commuting 50 miles round trip, 4-5 days a week now.)
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There's a bunch of other little tricks I know for the 2ndGens, too many to just list here, electrical, preventative maintenance, interior, etcetera. PM me if you need any suggestions. Feel free to use this for ideas.
 
There's a bunch of other little tricks I know for the 2ndGens, too many to just list here, electrical, preventative maintenance, interior, etcetera. PM me if you need any suggestions. Feel free to use this for ideas.

Is that picture with the 33"s?

So does a suspension lift suggestion mean above what it was factory or at current height?

You truck is sweet, would like to see a front picture to get a better look at that front bumper
 
Is that picture with the 33"s?

So does a suspension lift suggestion mean above what it was factory or at current height?

You truck is sweet, would like to see a front picture to get a better look at that front bumper

Yes.

Lift I did netted about 2-1/2" over stock. The 1" bodylift gives additional and in my case made it easier to clear the headers i am running and keep the floorboards cool. Also will come in handy later down the road if I ever go for a 3.4l swap. Inevitably (in theory) by doing it this way I also spread out the lift rather than it being suspension specific, thereby (supposedly) spreading the center of gravity out rather than just up. I'm sure there's someone smarter than me that can put into easier to digest layman's terms. I'd be happy to get you some frame to floor measurements. If you factor for 33's just add 3/4"-1" above what I would have.

*Be wary of scrub from those tires if you continue to run the factory alloys. I've seen them lightly scuff the upper control arms and also contact the steering idler arm at the right frame at full lock and partial articulation. Also watch for contact at the rear fender lip insides.

Front pic can be found in the pic link above, but here ya go anyways. Good luck, Marlin is no longer making them and has a new design. This was a special request as it has no front receiver point or stinger assembly.
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~Manual Hubs are an easy and worthwhile swap, heck if I can turn a 2wd into 4wd you can do it in a day. If you *need* a locker, go rear. IMHO, skip the popular Toyota locker project, on-board air is a far more valuable asset IMHO.
 
~Manual Hubs are an easy and worthwhile swap, heck if I can turn a 2wd into 4wd you can do it in a day. If you *need* a locker, go rear. IMHO, skip the popular Toyota locker project, on-board air is a far more valuable asset IMHO.

So does a front manual hub turn the front axel into a "locked" axel, if not what does it actually do?

I was interested in Air but I know that means the necessary air compressor. In your thoughts what are the pros and cons between air locker and other types of lockers?

For rear lockers is there a difference in quality in brands like ARB?

SO you put in a rear axel from a 3rd gen 4Runner? what did that cost ??
 
All a manual hub conversion does is stop the front driveshafts from spinning all the time, as is with the Automatic Hub Disconnect System. You need to jump out and lock the hubs to make them work.

Pros vs. Cons on Air lockers vary, to me the benefits of on-board air overrule everything.

Love ARB's over the others. Had one in my Chevy and one in another vehicle. Other than that my experience is with Limited Slips, one in another truck and one on my pursuit edition Buick Estate Wagon. What I did have was an Aussie and I blew one too many pins and said "Never Again". Just be sure you keep an eye on the air lines and have a repair fitting or kit available in case of a field breakage.

I have not ran an electric locker, not likely I ever will, just not too fond of what it entails having to do for a 2ndGen to run them, removing the sway-bar. Yes, I'm "weird", I run my swaybars for daily driving and only disconnect them if I really need/have to. I've only ever found two types of terrain where I had to and I don't run that sort of stuff anymore.
 
Welcome.

I know there are a bunch of people that are always willing to run trails up in Tahoe. I know I will try and get up there as much as possible next summer to hit them up (This winter will be boarding mostly).

As for your questions I have no answer.

Still a lot of time this year before winter hit, don't put off wheeling that can be done in the present
 

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