JohnsD90
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Im reccomding him an expedition vehicle, not a soccor mom car, sh!t can't you read?
Land Cruiser VS 4Runner
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Im reccomding him an expedition vehicle, not a soccor mom car, sh!t can't you read?
Thai
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Just because you know absolutely nothing about off-roading, please don't blame me for questioning your ignorant thought process.
So, tell me, why is the 4runner such a bad expedition vehicle? Isn't an expedition vehicle supposed to be practical, capable, RELIABLE, and safe (to some degree)?? Let me ask you, you think that an expedition vehicle won't spend its time on the highway? Is an expedition vehicle capable of carrying only one person and his/her gears?
The difference John...is i can read AND understand what an expedition vehicle is!
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brian2sun
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Aside from the FJ40 (the sickest Yota ever made IMO), I like the 4runners better for a few reasons. IFS does not bother me whatsoever for an expo truck (which is pretty much what mine is too). In fact I prefer the IFS because most of your driving wil still be on road even on an expo and... IT"S STILL VERY CAPABLE even on the rocks. The solid axle of the LCs is great for wheeling, but the 4runner's IFS will still do some insane stuff - more insane than you'd probably want to do on an expo, 100s of miles away from home. The trade off in off road capability is well worth the better overall ride and handling IMO.
The fact that 4runners are smaller makes them more agile and that helps on the trails, but the extra room of the LCs is nice too so that's kind of an even split for me.
Then it comes down to looks. All I'll say is 4runner- hands down.
The fact that 4runners are smaller makes them more agile and that helps on the trails, but the extra room of the LCs is nice too so that's kind of an even split for me.
Then it comes down to looks. All I'll say is 4runner- hands down.
IMO Toyota built it's rep on the LC, not the Hilux/4R. If you're not doing rock crawling the SWB is not a factor, and with the JDM diesel 80 series LCs I'm sure they would get better mileage than any stock or comparatively equipped 4R. The LC is just as reliable too imo, maybe more even. You can go anywhere in the world pretty much (North America not as much perhaps) and you'll be able to find LCs or have yours serviced or find spare/scrap parts somewhere for a quick fix.
Expedition people are hardcore, as in weeks worth of water supplies, rations, spare parts, 5000+ km trips in severe conditions, etc. The LC has the capacity to do this, and the power with the diesel to move it. 4Rs do not have the capacity or power imo, unless you have the newer V8/V6 or you swap motors.
I don't recall seeing too many 4R/Hilux trucks going across the Patagonia or the Sahara or the Outback.
Go on Pirate and look at the expo threads...
Expedition people are hardcore, as in weeks worth of water supplies, rations, spare parts, 5000+ km trips in severe conditions, etc. The LC has the capacity to do this, and the power with the diesel to move it. 4Rs do not have the capacity or power imo, unless you have the newer V8/V6 or you swap motors.
I don't recall seeing too many 4R/Hilux trucks going across the Patagonia or the Sahara or the Outback.
Go on Pirate and look at the expo threads...
Mr. Leary
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IMO, and Toyota diesel that has been swapped is likely to have any problems associated with a heavily modified rig. Putting in a JDM diesel from overseas is unlikely to be more reliable then the factory drivetrain, which has well documented head gasket issues... just like the 3 point slow in 2nd gen runners.
Rule of thumb... the most reliable configuration for any vehicle is the way it comes from the factory. Once you start modifying trucks, you create vulnerabilities. Thats why any experienced Overlander you will find recommends against travelling in a highly modified rig. Small modifications, sure.
Land Cruisers are generally very reliable, but I would wager that the 3rd gen 4Runner is one of the most reliable vehicles ever sold in the US, and more reliable then an LC if not heavily modified. Thats all.
Rule of thumb... the most reliable configuration for any vehicle is the way it comes from the factory. Once you start modifying trucks, you create vulnerabilities. Thats why any experienced Overlander you will find recommends against travelling in a highly modified rig. Small modifications, sure.
Land Cruisers are generally very reliable, but I would wager that the 3rd gen 4Runner is one of the most reliable vehicles ever sold in the US, and more reliable then an LC if not heavily modified. Thats all.
Thai
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x2!! Yup, i have been preaching this from the very beginning! For example, i would take a 5th gen 4runner and do these:
1. AT Tires (BFG AT KO or Goodyear SA), possibly +1 size
2. Sliders
3. Gears/stuff in the cargo & roof rack.
No modifying necessary, we can get factory diesel LCs here in Canada from Japan, factory front and rear electric lockers and all. I've never heard of head gasket problems with the 3B or 1HD but have with the 3VZE/22R-E/early 5VZ-FEs/2L-TE 2.4 turbo diesel.
Factory to factory I think an 80 series LC with the diesel will get you to more places carrying gear with the solid axles/factory lockers while using less fuel with equal reliability. I think that's why you see a lot more of them in places outside of N. America doin' the Outback things or other stuff like that.
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JohnsD90
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The 4runner isnt as good due too, lots of electronics that can fail in the field, not big an aftermarket support for rooftop tents, snorkels, full legnth roof rack, not a proper diesel engine so it has about 30% reduced mpg which results in less range, the fuel tank is small, wasn't designed to live in the jungle or desert, lack of spots for spare tires, and thats just the stuff off the top of my head.
Mr. Leary
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Aha... I forgot the OP is in Canada. Factory diesel is the way to go, if you can get it! In the US, we have to wait until they are 25 years old to bring them in from Canada, and by then they have usually been rode hard and put up wet enough to cause concern.
Thai
Elite Member
What electronics that you speak of? You do realize that a modern day Defender has ATRAC along with center diff, right? Yes, it has the electronic thingy that you fear the most!
The lack of a locker and weak axles are biggies IMO...but you knew that already being that you follow Land Rover so much.How big is the gas tank on the 4runner...about 23 gallons...so, it gets 21 mpg on regular gas...that is nearly 500 miles per fillup. And what is the price of diesel these days compared to regular gasoline??
The support that you speak of...yeah, they are nice, but at what cost? You're not talking about Jeeps here...those Britains sure like to charge top dollar for their stuff.
And you're trying to compare things that fail in the field b/w a LAND ROVER and a Toyota?!
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Yeah, you guys get a pretty short end of the stick. Some pretty neat stuff you can pull over from across the pond, JDM Samurais, Surfs, the Nissan Safari, Mits Pajero/Delica, etc.
If I don't snag an 80 series in a few years for building, next choices would be a 3rd gen with E-locker or a 1st gen 4R, because removable tops rock.
Thai
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It is a dependability survey...basically they survey owners after 3 years of ownership. So, it is more legit than the "initial quality" surveys that JD powers do.
bigwebb83
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its demographics. those are old people cars. the old people drive them easier.
Thai
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2010 results: Ratings | J.D. Power
The good news is that VW was finally able to beat someone...Land Rover!! :naughty: BTW, there is no 1-star...so, 2-star is the lowest rating possible....
034RUNNER
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No doubt the LC is better off road.
I don't plan to "upgrade" to one anytime soon.
I got the 4runner without intentions of doing anything to it that i have so far. It was just supposed to be a "bad weather" vehicle. It was a good size, and seemed like a good match all around. The truck has been nothing but good to me even though it takes a beating and the miles are climbing, but it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
LC's are nice, but I guess I would need a bigger truck and need more off-road capabilities to consider getting one.
I don't plan to "upgrade" to one anytime soon.
I got the 4runner without intentions of doing anything to it that i have so far. It was just supposed to be a "bad weather" vehicle. It was a good size, and seemed like a good match all around. The truck has been nothing but good to me even though it takes a beating and the miles are climbing, but it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
LC's are nice, but I guess I would need a bigger truck and need more off-road capabilities to consider getting one.
jlmilligan
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I would think it is because most people know NOTHING about Landcruisers. When I first bought mine, a fully locked 97 LX450, no one had a clue about its capabilities. They kept saying "if you want to go offroad, you should have bought a GMC or Ford". They other part to that equation is that there are so few LC's compared to 4Runners. Unless you are an offroader, or a 4x4 enthusiast, then you probably have no idea what "3x Locked LC80" means.
