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Great. Just great.

The new 2010 GX 460 has just been given ths alert.

The special designation given to the GX 460 by Consumer Reports -- "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" -- is rarely given by the magazine. The last time it was used was in 2001, on the Mitsubishi Montero Limited.

I apologize if this is in another thread already. Not very reassuring as I put my 3500th km on my 2010 T4R Limited.
 
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orthoboy said:
Great. Just great.

The new 2010 GX 460 has just been given ths alert.

The special designation given to the GX 460 by Consumer Reports -- "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" -- is rarely given by the magazine. The last time it was used was in 2001, on the Mitsubishi Montero Limited.

I apologize if this is in another thread already. Not very reassuring as I put my 3500th km on my 2010 T4R Limited.
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i'm not worried...14000 miles on my 2010 limited, no issues.
 
orthoboy said:
Great. Just great.

The new 2010 GX 460 has just been given ths alert.

The special designation given to the GX 460 by Consumer Reports -- "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" -- is rarely given by the magazine. The last time it was used was in 2001, on the Mitsubishi Montero Limited.

I apologize if this is in another thread already. Not very reassuring as I put my 3500th km on my 2010 T4R Limited.
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Lexus GX is a 'Don't Buy' for shoppers, Consumer Reports says - latimes.com

Just read that......Yes , it's especially concerning, considering the GX460's are built on the same assembly line and share many parts/systems with the 4Runner.
They did'nt mention if it's the GX or GX Premium they tested. Both models have KDSS but the premium has KDSS and AVS which automatically controls the suspension.
We test drove one a couple of months ago as I tried to talk the GF into one. No Luck there but it was super nice!
 
ladywolf said:
i'm not worried...14000 miles on my 2010 limited, no issues.
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I'm not terribly worried since I drive like a gentleman generally, but it seems like one more nail in Toyota's coffin. But I highly respect Consumer's Report and have for over a decade. Glad I didn't get the GX tho. I had considered it but couldn't get past the exterior.

Harper7, did you lift that LTD? If so, did't that mess up the XREAS, and thus make the whole unit more likely to take a tumble in fast turns? Thats what I understood the XREAS was all for.
 
"The GX 460 is built on the same platform as the Toyota 4Runner, but Consumer Reports said the problem did not occur during similar tests on the 4Runner. According to Toyota's Web site, both vehicles are about six feet tall but the GX 460 is about 3 inches taller."
 
Seems like a total non issue to me. It's a 5,500 lb truck. Throwing it into a curve like a sports car and then expecting the stability control to bail you out isn't a vehicle problem, it's an idiot driver problem.

Makes about as much sense as putting a 911 on the do-not-buy list because it could be pulled down the boat ramp and the driver could drown.
 
aspade said:
Seems like a total non issue to me. It's a 5,500 lb truck. Throwing it into a curve like a sports car and then expecting the stability control to bail you out isn't a vehicle problem, it's an idiot driver problem.

Makes about as much sense as putting a 911 on the do-not-buy list because it could be pulled down the boat ramp and the driver could drown.
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:slowclap:

Well put.
 
orthoboy said:
Harper7, did you lift that LTD? If so, did't that mess up the XREAS, and thus make the whole unit more likely to take a tumble in fast turns? Thats what I understood the XREAS was all for.
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Right now I have a Toytec 1 inch spacers on top of the front springs giving a 1 3/4 lift in the front.I did'nt notice any difference in the X-Reas suspension as it is a closed hydraulic suspension system. Icon CO's are on order and getting rid of the X-Reas next week anyways.

Physics......Sure,Anytime you raise the center of gravity you will increase the chance of rollover.That's the trade off for more ground clearance for offroading.

Top Rollover causes....

· Aggressive driving. Driving at high speeds and reckless lane changes can lead to rollover disasters. These drivers can suffer a vehicle rollover even when their car or truck is not tripped by an obstruction.

· A driver overcorrects his vehicle. If a driver veers off of one side of his lane, he may jerk the wheel back in the other direction too forcefully, losing control of his vehicle and perhaps flipping it. Veering of the road in the first place can be caused by falling asleep at the wheel or a driver distraction.

· A driver is in an SUV or other top-heavy vehicle. While almost 60 percent of SUV accidents were the result of rollovers, only 25 percent of sedan accidents were due to rollovers. Pickup truck are safer than SUV but less safe than compact cars, with 46 percent of deaths resulting from rollovers.

· Your car is weighed down. Anything that brings the center of gravity in the car further away from the ground will increase the chance of rollovers. Carrying a lot of weight on top of your car or in your car (in the form of objects or passengers) can increase your risk of rollover.
 
Originally Posted by orthoboy
Great. Just great.

The new 2010 GX 460 has just been given ths alert.

The special designation given to the GX 460 by Consumer Reports -- "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" -- is rarely given by the magazine. The last time it was used was in 2001, on the Mitsubishi Montero Limited.

I apologize if this is in another thread already. Not very reassuring as I put my 3500th km on my 2010 T4R Limited.

Why didn't you finish your post on how it didn't affect 4runners, instead of trying to incite panic and frustrations on 4runner owners? (Which makes no sense because you own one?!)
sheesh
 
aspade said:
Seems like a total non issue to me. It's a 5,500 lb truck. Throwing it into a curve like a sports car and then expecting the stability control to bail you out isn't a vehicle problem, it's an idiot driver problem.

Makes about as much sense as putting a 911 on the do-not-buy list because it could be pulled down the boat ramp and the driver could drown.
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I agree. Most of these systems are "nice to have", but certainly do not relieve the driver of operating the vehicle within the constraints of its design. I think too much faith is put into them.
 
aspade said:
Seems like a total non issue to me. It's a 5,500 lb truck. Throwing it into a curve like a sports car and then expecting the stability control to bail you out isn't a vehicle problem, it's an idiot driver problem.
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I disagree with you. Consumer Reports tested many SUVs. The GX was the only that behaved this badly:

On dozens of other S.U.V.’s tested by the magazine, the vehicles’ electronic stability control system detected and quickly stopped the slide. But the stability control didn’t stop the GX 460 until it was almost sideways, Mr. Champion said.
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Consumer Reports Says Lexus GX 460 Is Unsafe - Wheels Blog - NYTimes.com

Toyota has designed SUVs that handle well in this type of situation. There is no reason that the GX460 can't handle better than it did.
 
Consumer reports should stick to blenders and baby seats.

They lost their credibility when they tried to bury the Suzuki Samurai. Most CR claims are ignored by the NHTSA.
 
Possible reason for GX-T4R difference

Maybe I'm missing something but it seems the GX460 has an engine that doesn't come in the T4R, and that could be part of the difference/source of the problem.

With the 4th gen 4Runners the weight difference between the 4.0L V6 and the 4.6L V8 was 150-200 lbs., concentrated up front. Translated to the 2010 models, that could lead to oversteer on the GX that would be less likely on a 4.0L T4R. The GX is also a little taller and heavier overall, and that may contribute to the problem.

Maybe Toyota hasn't been aggressive enough with the stability control thresholds on the GX 460, to compensate for its extra weight up front.

The thresholds for the 4th gen 4Runners (at least early ones like mine) were pretty low, so you couldn't get much unintended oversteer without activating stability control and getting the beep telling you there was a mismatch between steering angle and vehicle angle.

Seems like this could be fixed pretty easily with a flash firmware update. I'll bet dealers will be doing something like this within 2 months.
 
Mica, I agree with you. I suspect that the GX460s extra weight and height, combined with suspension tuning, is what is causing the difference between the GX and the 5th Gen 4Runner. I expect that Toyota will revise the GX ESC to be more aggressive.
 
-As with any other review/news article/word of mouth/etc. Take with grain(s) of salt. And the fact that it mentions the same issue is not present in the 4r.

-CR has never liked SUVs either.

-Dancing banana :banana:

-That is all
 
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