Line on a 2019. Advice?

[KingPrat]

Haven't been on here in a while and have been contemplating pulling the trigger on upgrading from my 3rd gen given the current interest rates.

I have a line on a 2019 at a Chevy dealer. It's a black 2019 ORP with KDSS/sunroof, 4600 miles.

My main issue currently is that it's lifted. Looks to be about 3". They removed whatever rim/tire combo they had on it and tossed the stock wheel/tire combo on it to trade it in.

With the virus, I won't be able to test drive it, not sure if I'd be able to scope it out on my own. It's priced about $10k below what new sticker was.

Should the lift be that big of a turn-off? I've never owned/considered a lifted vehicle and it just has me hesitating.

Assuming the lift was installed properly - should this be a turn-off? I have leads on a couple others that are certified, but mileage is significantly higher on those.

 

[LandCruiser]

I don't buy modified vehicles, as a rule.

It's a pretty good rule.

 

[Sundy]

Depends on a few things - is it a spacer lift, a lift with new shocks/coils, does it have a diff drop and UCA's?

You'll have no idea how it was treated, but a visual review can always give you a decent idea. Unfortunate the wheels and tires aren't on - but it was likely the person who traded it in threw stockers back on before trade in.

Price point that seems to be a great value, considering it is in good condition. If it is a spacer lift I would personally pull it off and go back to stock or throw in a full lift - I don't mind a spacer for 1"-1.5" stuff, but 3" is a lot of preload and likely making the ride not as nice.

 

[El Dusty]

Should the lift be that big of a turn-off? I've never owned/considered a lifted vehicle and it just has me hesitating.

A lift that high without proper components can throw off your alignment and become really hairy when driving at highway speeds. Not to mention worse handling / dynamics during emergency maneuvers and increased rollover risk!

With that discount Im guessing its a spacer lift without UCAs which is not ideal for offroading and will drive pretty poorly which is why its so cheap. If the delaership guys cant help or don't seem honest you can text some photos my way and I can take a look. Im bored as hell. Dm me your cell number if you want.

 

[KingPrat]

With that discount Im guessing its a spacer lift without UCAs which is not ideal for offroading and will drive pretty poorly which is why its so cheap. If the delaership guys cant help or don't seem honest you can text some photos my way and I can take a look. Im bored as hell. Dm me your cell number if you want.

Here's a link to the listing. Used 2019 Toyota 4Runner for Sale at Romeo Chevrolet Buick GMC

From my eye, again, looks to be about 3". I see UCA up front and potentially piggyback shocks?

 

[tm965]

ETA: based on the listing and the high-dollar suspension, i'd prob go for it if i were looking for a lift. all you'd need are some 285s and you'd be sitting pretty.

 

[LandCruiser]

Here's a link to the listing. Used 2019 Toyota 4Runner for Sale at Romeo Chevrolet Buick GMC

From my eye, again, looks to be about 3". I see UCA up front and potentially piggyback shocks?

Love how they crop the lift out of every photo. Looks like some kind of external reservoir shock--could be a Fox or Icon--I think it's a Fox.

The pics are small, but the angle on the UCAs looks like they've been replaced.

Looks like the original owner took the wheels and tires for another project and left you with the Bobo stock wheels and tires.

 

[mcat707]

If possible, get the rig on a lift and inspect the under carriage. That will give you a better idea on how the vehicle was treated. Ask the dealer if the previous owner left a receipt on the suspension parts with labor installation and ask to see it.

 

[ryguytheman]

Love how they crop the lift out of every photo. Looks like some kind of external reservoir shock--could be a Fox or Icon--I think it's a Fox.

The pics are small, but the angle on the UCAs looks like they've been replaced.

Looks like the original owner took the wheels and tires for another project and left you with the Bobo stock wheels and tires.

I was going to say the same thing, but my guess was Icon. But the only thing I can clearly see is the presence of external resis. Not likely to be a low-budget setup.

With the mileage on the odometer, you can at least be sure that they will not need to be rebuilt any time soon. But I'd want to know who installed it.

 

[LandCruiser]

I was going to say the same thing, but my guess was Icon. But the only thing I can clearly see is the presence of external resis. Not likely to be a low-budget setup.

With the mileage on the odometer, you can at least be sure that they will not need to be rebuilt any time soon. But I'd want to know who installed it.

On one of the wheel photos I think you can see the tail of the "X" of the Fox logo.

 

[ryguytheman]

On one of the wheel photos I think you can see the tail of the "X" of the Fox logo.

Yeah, you might be right. The color schemes on these brands are very similar.

 

[El Dusty]

Here's a link to the listing. Used 2019 Toyota 4Runner for Sale at Romeo Chevrolet Buick GMC

From my eye, again, looks to be about 3". I see UCA up front and potentially piggyback shocks?

Lift wise its hard to tell, with stock tires the wells always look so empty. I would guess 2" front and 3" back. Does look like Fox w/ resi's and aftermarket UCAs. Thats a high dollar setup and will fix the alignment and driving issues I mentioned.

If you need / want a lift go for it. As mentioned though the dynamics and behavior on the road will be noticeable. The ride likley considerably stiffer than stock, more "truck" like. If you're not the only driver be mindful that others may not now how to handle a high center of gravity car and that bigger tires will only raise the CG higher.

 

[Sundy]

I was thinking it looks like Icon suspension (but the 90 degree bend makes me think Fox) with Total Chaos UCAs, the PRO grill (hard to tell if dipped or pro valances) and the fact that their listing says it's a SR5 makes me think they want it gone or don't realize how much is in that truck.

If it drove well and visually looked okay, I would say that seems like a solid buy, compared to spacers. You just just swap tires and have a great looking rig!

 

[mcat707]

It was probably owned by a member of this forum.

:wink2:

 

[mcat707]

Heres the CarFax report. Not much to go on but first owner had it for about 6 months (Probably got laid off?), and the oil change was done at 4000 miles.

https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHisto...765&compCode=eWZQ75dCWARadKDnHpLFQ+Vdb1JIYFpZ

Some clearer pictures here...

JTEBU5JR6K5727765 | 2019 Toyota 4Runner for sale in Lake Katrine, NY

 

[sn_85]

Looks like Fox to my eyes. You can see the front resi is mounted vertically. Icon is mounted at a bit of a tilt. Also the rear resi loos like it's mounted piggy back style. Most likely a Fox 2.0 with resi in the rear. I mean if it's clean, no accidents, clean underneath seems like a good deal to me.

 

[ryguytheman]

Looks like Fox to my eyes. You can see the front resi is mounted vertically. Icon is mounted at a bit of a tilt. Also the rear resi loos like it's mounted piggy back style. Most likely a Fox 2.0 with resi in the rear. I mean if it's clean, no accidents, clean underneath seems like a good deal to me.

I agree, I'd jump on this if everything checks out, and you can verify that the suspension was installed professionally. I think it's fair to say that the lift setup cost the previous owner a few grand, and it's practically brand new. Whether it's Icon or Fox, that's a high-end setup either way. If you were planning on modding, you'll be getting a high $$$ mod for pennies on the dollar.

Of course, if you don't care about that, then you should probably pass. These aftermarket parts will require ongoing maintenance, and probably aren't ideal for someone who never intends to take it off road.

 

[KingPrat]

Of course, if you don't care about that, then you should probably pass. These aftermarket parts will require ongoing maintenance, and probably aren't ideal for someone who never intends to take it off road.

This is where my point lies. I have zero interest in a lifted vehicle, so the plan would be to return it to stock and potentially sell off the suspension lift. The idea of sinking $1k or so into a vehicle that is basically brand new to get it back to stock is my holdup.

 

[sn_85]

I agree, I'd jump on this if everything checks out, and you can verify that the suspension was installed professionally. I think it's fair to say that the lift setup cost the previous owner a few grand, and it's practically brand new. Whether it's Icon or Fox, that's a high-end setup either way. If you were planning on modding, you'll be getting a high $$$ mod for pennies on the dollar.

Of course, if you don't care about that, then you should probably pass. These aftermarket parts will require ongoing maintenance, and probably aren't ideal for someone who never intends to take it off road.

That's true, especially for a NE car. If it's a TC Uniball it'll likely squeak like crazy with the salt. I would be sure to grease the uniball frequently and hit parts of the suspension and undercarriage with fluid film in winter to protect it. You could probably run the fox factory for 50-75k mi and then dump them after that for something more OEM if you choose. Either way a TRD ORP, with a good/proper aftermarket lift, heritage grill with 4k mileage on the odo for that price is a really good deal if the background/history checks out.

 

[ryguytheman]

This is where my point lies. I have zero interest in a lifted vehicle, so the plan would be to return it to stock and potentially sell off the suspension lift. The idea of sinking $1k or so into a vehicle that is basically brand new to get it back to stock is my holdup.

Have you considered looking for an SR5 Premium instead? The model you're eyeing has some offroad features that come with a markup. You can get an SR5 that is virtually the same, minus a couple of offroad features (and a fake hood scoop).

That said, finding stock 4runner suspension that is brand new is really easy, since most people do the opposite of what you're proposing. I have my stock parts in the garage, I would give them away for free. Like you said, the labor would probably cost up to 1K if you don't swap it out yourself. But you would make that back on selling the aftermarket stuff easily. The obvious downside is the hassle of dealing with it.